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#77 Jun 04 2014 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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#78 Jun 04 2014 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Samira wrote:
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Yeah, not clicking that.
It's only implied that some guy gets anally violated with corn, not shown. So you know, perfectly fine.


It's not different at all, is it STEVE?!
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#79 Jun 04 2014 at 8:37 PM Rating: Default
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I've read all 900+ of Cicero's letters and many of his works. I daresay he was a remarkable man. He loved learning. He loved art. He loved his friends and his family. He even loved his slaves.
BUT for all of that the man STILL place ZERO value on the life of foreigners (and Caesar!). He fails!
Edited, Jun 3rd 2014 9:07pm by Kelvyquayo


Apart from everything else, the fact that you claim to have read something, does not mean you understood anything. There is even a saying about a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Think about it; there is hope for you yet; mebbe.

Oh yeah, I said "something", because, based on the available evidence, I am quite certain that you have no idea what you are talking about. Internet blog of a guy who read a summary of a book on ancient Rome is hardly reading Cicero... I am just saying.

Edited, Jun 4th 2014 10:37pm by angrymnk
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All I know about Memes is they are damned hard to 3d print apparently.
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#81 Jun 05 2014 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
All I know about Memes is they are damned hard to 3d print apparently.
Because memes are retarded.

Also, what sort of program(s) do you use/need to get files to 3D print?
#82 Jun 05 2014 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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It's not different at all, is it STEVE?!
Great, I'm reading everything in his voice now. Send the phone spiders.
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Also, what sort of program(s) do you use/need to get files to 3D print?


There are basically 3 pieces of software that you need to print a 3d object. 3d printers print *.stl files, which are basically a layer sliceable 3d cad model. You start with an actual CAD program (a lot of people use freecad, I use Autodesk Inventor) and draw up whatever it is you want to print, in millimeters. You then save that file as a .stl file and open with an actual gcode generator program, which creates the numerical toolpath that the 3d printer follows. I usually use slic3r for that (freeware, http://slic3r.org/). SLic3r is where you tune the model to fit the parameters of your printer (nozzle size, print speed, type of filliament, etc.). Once you have that gcode file, you can use it with the actual printer control interface, the two most popular of which are prointerface or what I use, Repetier host (also freeware http://www.repetier.com/) Repetier is nice because it has a slic3r interface built in. So I basically download or make my STL file (thousands of them here: (http://www.thingiverse.com/ , My designs here: http://www.thingiverse.com/piercet/designs ) drag it into the repetier position window, hit the "slice" button, then click on the printer interface tab, heat the print bed and extruder hot end to temperature, and hit print. Assuming you start with a pre done stl file, the whole process takes about 2 minutes to start with the new printer. The old one takes about 15 minutes to warm up.

You can also print files directly from the printer controller. You pre-generate the gcode, then save that to the onboard controller memory. the advantage there is you would not necessarily need a computer to print things. Comes in handy when you need a bunch of a single object and want to use your computer for other tasks.
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#84 Jun 05 2014 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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angrymnk wrote:
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I've read all 900+ of Cicero's letters and many of his works. I daresay he was a remarkable man. He loved learning. He loved art. He loved his friends and his family. He even loved his slaves.
BUT for all of that the man STILL place ZERO value on the life of foreigners (and Caesar!). He fails!
Edited, Jun 3rd 2014 9:07pm by Kelvyquayo


Apart from everything else, the fact that you claim to have read something, does not mean you understood anything. There is even a saying about a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Think about it; there is hope for you yet; mebbe.

Oh yeah, I said "something", because, based on the available evidence, I am quite certain that you have no idea what you are talking about. Internet blog of a guy who read a summary of a book on ancient Rome is hardly reading Cicero... I am just saying.

Edited, Jun 4th 2014 10:37pm by angrymnk




Dude; What?

Every single freaking one:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0022&redirect=true
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Xavier is 12, a self proclaimed atheist, and loves reading anything about Slenderman. He even dressed up as him for Halloween last year. He thinks these girls are sick people and he's disgusted and horrified by their actions. So unless you hear about my son killing someone, Kelvy's points are invalid. Bad trip, dude? Might want to get a higher quality of shrooms next time.


You did keep popping into my mind in this. Especially since I still have your hubby's horror music CD and and quite aware of the parallels. It made me wonder just how much different or the same your households are.. obviously with the very stark knowledge that I have of either.. But I honestly thought about your kids and said to myself.. I DON'T believe at all that any kids raised by you would ever be capable of such a thing and then I asked myself WHY I thought that based on what I now know about God and Christ. Obviously I'm not saying that this is going to be a rule for everything and everybody.. but I'm mainly talking about the trend.
DSD, from what I know(remember) about you: you are one of those people that seem to radiate joy. I do not believe that the only possible form of positive energy has to be channeled from Yahweh or something. What I do believe is that each person carries the spirit of life which radiates differently for everybody. When this energy is channeled properly it can have very positive results... but I have to say that without the help of God that positive energy will one day fizzle out like a flame on a candle. Only with God does it last forever.

Back on track: My position is that that morality that you have instilled in your kids that resided in you was instilled in you or your family somewhere down the line because of Christianity. You may find this insulting but it is what I believe... at some point as we abandon that Spirit that is trying to work on us eventually that chain will be broken somewhere down the line and the people are left having only themselves to turn to and they will fail.

To paraphrase somebody: There is a God shaped void in all of us.. and it cannot be quenched by anything but God.
Yet we try and we try.. but I don't know who is worse off.. the ones that cannot fill the void or the ones that fill it with lies false hope and think that they are satisfied...


Edited, Jun 5th 2014 10:01pm by Kelvyquayo
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My position is that that morality that you have instilled in your kids that resided in you was instilled in you or your family somewhere down the line because of Christianity.
That only works if you ignore that at some point in a "bad person's" family also has Christianity in it. Also ignores that at further points in a family tree there isn't any Christianity at all due to the lack of it's existence.
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#87 Jun 05 2014 at 8:13 PM Rating: Default
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The water is free for all that are thirsty.. but first we have to stop drinking our own kool-aid.
Why is your water better than someone else's kool-aid. Presumably they'll both quench ones thirst.


I try not to quote scripture here but in this case..

John 4:7-14
A woman of Samaria came to draw water.
“Give Me a drink,” Jesus said to her, for His disciples had gone into town to buy food.
“How is it that You, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” she asked Him. For Jews do not associate with[d] Samaritans.
Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would ask Him, and He would give you living water.”
“Sir,” said the woman, “You don’t even have a bucket, and the well is deep. So where do You get this ‘living water’? You aren’t greater than our father Jacob, are You? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and livestock.”
Jesus said, “Everyone who drinks from this water will get thirsty again. But whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again—ever! In fact, the water I will give him will become a well of water springing up within him for eternal life.”


Yes I know quoting scripture to people that don't believe it is pointless that that is the simplest answer.
(or maybe I'm just becoming one of THOSE ChristiansSmiley: tongue)
Yes, I understand and I thought the same thing.. Why is it the Christians that always think they're right? really pissed me off. I realize logically that everything and everyone COULD be wrong.. but another thing to consider is that everything and everyone could never ALL be right... so that rules out a LOT. If you do think that they all can be right then I question your reasoning. But as long as you go on thinking that YOU can't be wrong.. you're screwed.
I don't know what else to tell you. Seek and you SHALL find. I don't think you're really seeking so you're not really finding.
I was seeking for a very long time... but never really try to study Christianity too much because I felt that our culture was so inundated with it and that it was just so freaking lame that I actually never honestly considered that it actually could have been The Truth the whole time... especially since considering the history of "the church"...
...but I sought and I found.
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#88 Jun 05 2014 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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My position is that that morality that you have instilled in your kids that resided in you was instilled in you or your family somewhere down the line because of Christianity.
That only works if you ignore that at some point in a "bad person's" family also has Christianity in it. Also ignores that at further points in a family tree there isn't any Christianity at all due to the lack of it's existence.


People do naturally contain morality.. every human can agree without having some universal-mind conference what is good and what is bad... If someone does something bad to you and you confront them... you will not usually have t convince them that they did something wrong if it was something like stealing from you, lying about you, talking about your mother, trying to kill you... I posit that all of these things are instilled in us by God.

The problem is that we are like leaky vessels.. we cannot maintain it. Everyone can agree on what is right and what is wrong and yet never in human history has anyone been able to DO IT. (Except when God incarnated)
Why is it that we all agree on these simple things but no one can ever achieve ever doing right?

Before Christianity The Holy Spirit spread through the world ideas like mercy, compassion, and love were considered the greatest of weaknesses. I believe that. Without Christ we would probably have destroyed ourselves already.
Trace it all back. Everybody did blood sacrifices.. and many were human.. children..

This is why abortion is such a big deal to Christians. It pretty much like what the Romans called "Exposing your child" which basically meant leaving it in a dumpster somewhere.
Trace back standard aspects of society that really keep us free and civilized and see where they come from.

Edited, Jun 5th 2014 10:30pm by Kelvyquayo
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
There is a God shaped void in all of us.. and it cannot be quenched by anything but God.
You don't quench a void, man.


I appreciate what you are trying to say (preaching to the choir and all that) but, dude, seriously, take a course in How to Discuss Scripture 101 or something.
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Oh, hell. +1


Kelvy seems super convinced that the problem is a "lack of Jesus" or some such. This seems more to me (from limited information) one of two things:

1. Terrible, uncaring, absentee or otherwise worthless parents who gave these two idiots NO direction, or;

2. Parents who raised their little darlings to think that they were special little snowflakes who could do no wrong. Believe me when I say I've seen plenty of "Christian" parents ruin their children with approach #2.


If these two twunts were, say, 17 or 18 I'd lay the responsibility on them, but at 12?; yeah, it's the ******* parents fault.
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1. The Lord of the Flies is not history.


It's funny you say that because I've always thought that the entire thing was pretty much an allegory for all of human history. In fact when I get into conversations about human history I usually end up comparing it directly to Lord of the Flies.
I don't know what history books you're reading but I'm curious on how you would explain how LotF is different in any way than human history? It even has Satan (the pig head) and God (the soldier at the end).
Read it again.

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2. We have an inherent need to get along with one another. That can, of course, be subverted.


Can be and always is subverted. Always. We all want to do good and never do.. and then we just start making up what is good and bad to have a better time of it.. then then.. Lord of the Flies happens.

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Agreed. But God existed before religion. I've actually almost convinced myself that most people claiming to be Atheist are either lying or brainwashed by indoctrination.. Ironic isn't it?

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4. The greatest danger to humanity is not a lack of belief or even a lack of empathy, but the arrogance of certainty.


That sounds good but like Smash points out.. it's kinda circular. What if I'm not certain that what is truly good is good so I would have to think that good is actually bad? So nobody knows anything? It seems like a nice safe neutral position.. but we're all on a moving train.

What is certain that If there was a Loving God that He would make it certain and that if there is nothing then there is nothing... but from where I am sitting there is certainly something.

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Kelvyquayo wrote:
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1. The Lord of the Flies is not history.


It's funny you say that because I've always thought that the entire thing was pretty much an allegory for all of human history.



Not completely unlike.. the bible?
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Everybody did blood sacrifices.
Which is the point. You can't praise a religious belief for all good things because at some point it probably existed somewhere in your lineage without attributing the same way about all the nasty shit in the world, too. "I work at a soup kitchen every weekend," and "I make jackets out of the skin of newborn babies" are the same in your claim: Because Christians.
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You don't quench a void, man.


<ahem> Because I've been on this forum.. I've been ignoring my dinner, therefore therefore my stomach is void of food.
Once I eat that void will be quenched.

See!Smiley: grin
Now we could argue whether or not it is in fact a NEW void when I am hungry again I guess.

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dude, seriously, take a course in How to Discuss Scripture 101 or something.


Dude, does =4 look like a Bible study to you? Just consider it incidental that my views happen to be fused with scripture just like most other peoples views are fused with whatever else they wish... if it makes you feel better.


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Kelvy seems super convinced that the problem is a "lack of Jesus" or some such.

Lack of Jesus is ALWAYS the problem.
The point of my rant was that the anti-christ culture that is now filling the foundations for the next generation of children is only going to raise the probablity for this type of thing happening in the future.
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Yes I know quoting scripture to people that don't believe it is pointless that that is the simplest answer.
Well it got a chuckle out of me, for what it's worth.
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Not completely unlike.. the bible?


Well I'm pretty sure William Golding was a Christian.
Lord of the Flies in Hebrew is Baalzebub..
so .. I guess?


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You can't praise a religious belief for all good things because at some point it probably existed somewhere in your lineage without attributing the same way about all the nasty sh*t in the world, too. "I work at a soup kitchen every weekend," and "I make jackets out of the skin of newborn babies" are the same in your claim: Because Christians.


People obviously worked in soup kitchens and of course made jackets out of whatever.... indeed.
Every person has the means and the ability to know Good from Evil without religious beliefs..
What I am positing is that the our desire to do Good is not strong enough for us to actually do Good. Even though we know what is good we still kill, steal, lie, etc..
I believe that without the influence of God's Word (Jesus) through the work of Christians SPECIFICALLY we would have have the type of society that we value today.

Ancient people certainly had charities and cared for the sick.. but ultimately every civilization has dissolved despite of that. Is it even debatable that we live in one of the most free and humane society on earth?? I challenge that if you trace that back that it is because of Christ.

Yes, people have done horrible things in the name of Christ.. They were wrong. They were not following Christ's teachings.
But look around the world. How many societies were suddenly miraculously endued with a culture of compassion and nature where not long ago they lived like animals. I'm not being racist. It is the nature of all humans.
Yes, people slaughtered natives.. the crusades... those things were atrocities.. but those things could have been done by any people of any religion.. That type of thing would happen anywhere at any time. I daresay that those things were not because of Christianity rather because of nature of the human to do evil and not good.

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Well it got a chuckle out of me, for what it's worth.


Amusing. I don't consider this "witnessing". I more consider it an online intellectual mosh pit. Jump in and try not to get a bloody nose.

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#97 Jun 06 2014 at 3:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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You should tone down the ridiculous preaching in your posts, they read like you were furiously humping the bible while you typed them.
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You should tone down the ridiculous preaching in your posts, they read like you were furiously humping the bible while you typed them.

No zealot like a recent convert. I can't summon the energy to be upset, though. He's so genuine about it and such a good person generally, I'm willing to overlook a little Jesusing up. Also, he sort of introduced me to my wife, and that goes a long way with me.
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You should tone down the ridiculous preaching in your posts, they read like you were furiously humping the bible while you typed them.

No zealot like a recent convert. I can't summon the energy to be upset, though. He's so genuine about it and such a good person generally, I'm willing to overlook a little Jesusing up. Also, he sort of introduced me to my wife, and that goes a long way with me.

I'm thinking he was just introduced to peyote.
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Also, he sort of introduced me to my wife, and that goes a long way with me.

Did he bring wine? Someone brought us all wine.
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No zealot like a recent convert.
So much energy and naive enthusiasm. I can't imagine why people wanted to feed them to lions.
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