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#527 Oct 15 2014 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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#528 Oct 15 2014 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I'm on the side against death threats, which I'm certain most of the posters on here are also on. So I don't even know what we're fighting about besides the speculation as to whether or not the woman who got the death threats made it up, earned them, or deserved it promote focusing on them to discredit and ignore the non-threatening opponents.


Let them milk it & use it to discredit & ignore the non-threatening opponents. For PR reasons, they'd be crazy not too. But its still lose-lose for them as if they ya know, get actual death threats for essentially speaking their minds * & then they get criticized for milking the death threats because it brings more attention to what they were speaking about.

* (well, the speech chick anyway. the first chick's issue was she broke up with a nerdy ******* & the boston area chick's issue was that she spoke her mind)
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#529 Oct 15 2014 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Whomever it is, they need to be ************** arrested.

They won't be, of course. Anyone who isn't a complete retard can easily send anonymous emails on public wifi without being caught (or use proxies, etc). I'd expect the number of these incidents to only increase since they get a reaction (Sarkeesian cancels) and are effortless to make.
I've been thinking about this, and I'm not 100% certain there's no chance. Public wifi often comes with public security cameras. There's a good chance that whoever it was left some evidence of their entering the area of the wifi, even if it's just grainy security camera footage. All that's left then is to spend hundreds of man hours tracking down and eliminating all people until you only have a handful of suspects. There's no guarantee, but it's far from a lock that you won't get caught, unless the FBI thinks you're not worth looking into. All you need is to have made one mistake(like using your credit card at that McD's or whatever) and you'd be in trouble.

Dobson and Chatterwhiteman are probably safe from that level of effort, but making threats against a school might be enough to get someone serious about looking for you.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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Whomever it is, they need to be ************** arrested.

They won't be, of course. Anyone who isn't a complete retard can easily send anonymous emails on public wifi without being caught (or use proxies, etc). I'd expect the number of these incidents to only increase since they get a reaction (Sarkeesian cancels) and are effortless to make.
I've been thinking about this, and I'm not 100% certain there's no chance. Public wifi often comes with public security cameras.

That's why I said before parking lot. Better yet, the parking lot adjacent to the McD's or Starbucks or whatever. You don't go inside, use your credit card to buy a Big Mac and then start writing bomb threats. You gotta use your noodle here.
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#531 Oct 15 2014 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
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Whomever it is, they need to be ************** arrested.

They won't be, of course. Anyone who isn't a complete retard can easily send anonymous emails on public wifi without being caught (or use proxies, etc). I'd expect the number of these incidents to only increase since they get a reaction (Sarkeesian cancels) and are effortless to make.
I've been thinking about this, and I'm not 100% certain there's no chance. Public wifi often comes with public security cameras.

That's why I said before parking lot. Better yet, the parking lot adjacent to the McD's or Starbucks or whatever. You don't go inside, use your credit card to buy a Big Mac and then start writing bomb threats. You gotta use your noodle here.
Parking lots have cameras too. As do neighboring businesses. If they can get a pic of your license plate, you're still in trouble. Better to do it as a pedestrian, IMO, at least if it's cold enough to justify covering up.
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I think you're very much overestimating the abilities of these cameras. That said, we can create dueling hypotheticals all night long.
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#533 Oct 15 2014 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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That said, we can create dueling hypotheticals all night long.
Sounds better than what I had planned for the night: Boredom.
#534 Oct 15 2014 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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So, apparently some of the threats Anita's been getting seem to have been coming from a hack reporter in Brazil. Not likely related to the Dobson or USU ones, I'd imagine.

Edit: MHRM website A Voice for Men is now offering a reward for any information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person making the USU threats.


Edit2(I don't want too many posts in a row even if it is hours later): CNN article on Gamergate. It misses a lot, but overall, it's much more fair than MSNBC's completely one-sided coverage. It seems it's too much to ask that someone mention the simultaneous articles. *sigh* EditAgain: Of course, the guy talking is from Kotaku.

Edited, Oct 16th 2014 3:44am by Poldaran
#535 Oct 16 2014 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Two years ago Kotaku writers were shrugging their shoulders and making jokes about death threats.
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Can we all agree that gamergate has become too toxic to accomplish anything productive & move on? Or do we still have folks that think it can accomplish something that isn't terrible?

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It is the height of ridiculousness that I feel compelled to come down on one side or another of the “death threats” issue. Like Danny Glover, I am too old for this shit. One of the ways you know I am too old is that I make references Danny Glover. Here’s what’s going on: a distilled form of Abuse is being iterated on a profound and gruesome scale. Such people cannot be allowed to win. Ever.

You can’t threaten people with death, and I resent very strongly being made to type that out. Not only can you not do that because you can’t fucking do it, it has the power to obliterate everything else you say. In fact, it obliterates everything the people around you are trying to say. That’s what has happened now. I know that this situation is more complex than anyone is willing to enunciate. I know that “Gaming Journalism” is a contradiction in terms. But they’ve broken your banner, now, and you helped them do it. I grieve for the ones who tried to do it right. When your media doesn’t represent you, or actively attacks you as it has here, it’s not your media. You’ll have to make your own, and it’s not impossible. It’s more possible now than it has ever been in human history, and you’re reading an example of it at this moment. Go your own way.

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#537 Oct 16 2014 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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They can tell us we should quit now. But if we knew how to quit, we never would have blown forty seven dollars in quarters on DDR that one Saturday afternoon.
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DDR? That nonsense is chick stuff. Real gamers keep their ass in a chair or leaning against an arcade machine.

Get the fuck out.
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#539 Oct 16 2014 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
Women play video games. Some women like dumb games like Farmville and Candy Crush, but those are not real games, thus, those women are not real gamers. Or so the logic goes.

But there are also potentially real video games out there that are not getting made because women aren't very well represented in the industry. I'd like to see some visual novel style simulation games based off American romance novels - I think it'd be a cool concept, and a way to start targeting the 18-35 female demographic outside of phone apps. (That's basically what FFX was, now that I think about it.) Problem is, women like me aren't going into the game industry because of BS like this. So those ideas never even get floated around.

What really floors me about this whole Gamersgate thing is that the antagonists are acting as though feminist critique of pop culture is something new. It's been around for ages. This is just the first time any participants are getting visibility outside of the bubble of academia, making them targets.
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Women are primarily targeted on mobile apps because that's the medium most women use to play games. Men are the primary target for console games because most consoles (and gaming PCs) are owned by men.

There might be an argument that if the PS4 had more Jane Austen inspired point-and-click adventures or something that more women would own PS4s but it's not the game developer's job to promote PS4 purchases. They're going to develop primarily for the platform their intended consumer already owns.
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#541 Oct 16 2014 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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There might be an argument that if the PS4 had more Jane Austen inspired point-and-click adventures or something that more women would own PS4s but it's not the game developer's job to promote PS4 purchases.

There's a Jane Austen inspired point and click game? Do you get to dress Darcy? I would so play that.
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#542 Oct 16 2014 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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There might be an argument that if the PS4 had more Jane Austen inspired point-and-click adventures or something that more women would own PS4s but it's not the game developer's job to promote PS4 purchases.

There's a Jane Austen inspired point and click game? Do you get to dress Darcy? I would so play that.

Have they done a game adaptation of this one yet?
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#543 Oct 16 2014 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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DDR? That nonsense is chick stuff.
You and I obviously went to different arcades. DDR lines at my local arcade were filled with fat otakus.

Also, you're talking to the guy whose first question about most new games is "How customizable are the outfits the characters can wear?" because I want my characters to feel pretty. Smiley: laugh
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Unlikely to amount to anything, but someone's put up a petition calling for the arrest of the person making the threats, if you feel the desire to say you did something.

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They can tell us we should quit now. But if we knew how to quit, we never would have blown forty seven dollars in quarters on DDR that one Saturday afternoon.
This sums it up, IMO. Mostly posted because it amuses me.

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Two years ago Kotaku writers were shrugging their shoulders and making jokes about death threats.
They're still pro-bullying.

Linked the Jordan Owen one instead of all four others because I'm lazy. The Sam Biddle ones are roughly a day old.

Edited, Oct 17th 2014 1:11am by Poldaran
#545 Oct 17 2014 at 2:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I must have missed the part of the initiation ritual where all sense of perspective is surgically removed.

Did it hurt?
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#546 Oct 17 2014 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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They're still pro-bullying.


Please tell me you didn't think he was serious.
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#548 Oct 17 2014 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unlikely to amount to anything, but someone's put up a petition calling for the arrest of the person making the threats, if you feel the desire to say you did something

Is that really the sort of thing you petition for? "Petition to have firefighters stop my house from burning", "Petition to have my trash collected every Tuesday", "Petition to have air traffic controllers control air traffic"...

"Well, shit Burkowski, they got 10,000 signatures. Guess we'll need to go arrest that perp after all..."

Edited, Oct 17th 2014 8:16am by Jophiel
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#549 Oct 17 2014 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Of course I did. If I didn't, I wouldn't be doing what Anita wants me to. So stop being a **** lord and "Listen and Believe".

Does she speak to you in your dreams or did she plant some sort of magic talisman on you that impels you to carry out her will?
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#550 Oct 17 2014 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Unlikely to amount to anything, but someone's put up a petition calling for the arrest of the person making the threats, if you feel the desire to say you did something

Is that really the sort of thing you petition for? "Petition to have firefighters stop my house from burning", "Petition to have my trash collected every Tuesday", "Petition to have air traffic controllers control air traffic"...

"Well, shit Burkowski, they got 10,000 signatures. Guess we'll need to go arrest that perp after all..."

Edited, Oct 17th 2014 8:16am by Jophiel

I'm going to get 10,000 signatures on my petition demanding I not be arrested, then I'm robbing a bank.
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#551 Oct 17 2014 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Is that really the sort of thing you petition for?
It's an online petition though, which is pretty much the best way to not get what you're petitioning for.
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