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Yes, it's called clickbait. We discussed that a few pages back.

Is... "Doxxing" public figures really harmful? Name and address of a person who is already in the public eye doesn't seem that dangerous, right?

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 8:35pm by TirithRR

Any reason why there has been no denouncement or decrying of Maya Felix Kramer, and by extension Zoe Quinn for not firing her over her doxxing attack on Matthew Rappard? Or is Gawker leaving this out of the story?

Cite? A quick googling lead me nowhere.



It is my understanding that Felicia Day has not be threatened directly with rape or death, but when the other victims of gamergate were threatened with rape & death they were doxxed.

So yes its ****ing harmful. The crazy rape/murder spewing gamergate folks, as well as her other "potential" stalkers (i do not know if she has stalkers), now know where she lives. Gives the threats a bit more bite if its that easy to go to where one lives.


Woman want to get paid the same amount for doing the same job as a man too & to not have sexual comments directed at them by men, good or bad, on a regular basis. Most would rather be judged by a man by what she does & who she is as opposed to how her *** looks in a skirt.

Now, I have man parts (you can ask my wife, she can vouche for me), but I was raised mostly by my Mom (my Dad worked away from home during the week on Nuke plants) & 3 sisters, so I'm probably more "girl power" than most dudes. But jesus ****ing christ, "men's rights advocates" are ******* assholes.


Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 10:17pm by Omegavegeta

Ya... way to be inclusive, nurturing and generally understanding of other people's perspectives.

Riddle me this:

Do women have more rights now than they did?
Do men have less rights now than they did?
Are sexes getting close to equal rights?
If not, where is the equilibrium on the side men, where is the equilibrium on the side of women?



Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 10:49pm by angrymnk

Hmm? If the right infringes on another right wouldn't it necessarily become a zero sum game?

The only real question is about balance between the two. We don't seem to be discussing that though.

It's not a ******* probably you slack jawed moron. You didn't even read the article I linked, did you? It shows TWO instances of GG people getting doxxed. It's more than fair to say both sides have their ********. You don't get to be high and mighty without calling out your own when they're also behaving badly.

And those in the movement I've been following do call out those who are doxxing and saying it's wrong. I've said it's wrong once or twice and just assumed you would realize that's my ongoing stance. I still think it's mostly third party trolls, because third party trolls have been caught saying that they were going to do that ****. But that doesn't allow you to craft your holier than thou narrative, now does it? Go police your own just as we've told ours not to do things like that. Then maybe we can focus on dealing with the real problem of those who would attack both of us.

Edit: After thinking about it while in the shower, my tone was a bit harsh. I just woke up, so I apologize for that. That aside, the message stands.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 9:58pm by Poldaran

I'm not sure about women, but as for feminists? NOW is big against presumptive shared parenting, so there's that.

I'll look, but I'll admit to probably not being able to find any "acceptable." Forbes seems to edge in certain directions, though this writer is trying to valiantly remain neutral.

How about the ability not to have my character questioned over fake internet outrage? A right to fair trial over the interwebz? I am sure it is in the constitution somewhere.

Edit: just because I have balls doesn't mean you have to impose sex roles upon me ( couldn't resist ).

Edited, Oct 23rd 2014 11:57pm by angrymnk

This can be better summed up with one question..

Do people have more equal rights now than they did....

No one has taken one stinkin' right away from you and given it over to women.

It's a really long post, so spoilered it. It's really just for Pold.


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No, see, it doesn't work that way. YOU don't get to arbitrarily ME into a movement - the world isn't broken down into two movements, gamergaters and the enemy. I don't have a side, I have an independent, individual position that isn't part of any movement I'm claiming solidarity with. I am criticizing a movement based upon serious issues originating from within the movement and the group of people who actively create the movement by vocally claiming solidarity with it.

It's absolutely unacceptable to have doxxed gamergaters. That's flat-out unacceptable behavior. I don't care who you're doxxing, don't ******* do it.

But I'm not claiming solidarity with any movement, identity, or label that's acting as a banner from which doxxing attacks are being launched. If there is a banner (for instance, the #stopgamergate or whatever it is), I'm not supporting it. I'm not interested. So all I need to say is that I don't support the behavior, because I'm not actively voicing support for any movement causing these offenses, even if I don't support the offenses.

Because you've chosen to support a movement that's essentially open-enrollment, whose edges are defined solely by who CHOOSES to act in solidarity with the movement (in whatever way that happens to develop), you're supporting. So when gamergate doxxes someone, and you vocally support gamergate in general terms, you're still lending your support to doxxing behaviors.

Like I said before, if the roar of gamergate was so loud and clearly anti-harassment, then it would be perfectly fine to be voicing support for the movement, because it would be clear that it was a fringe element that was doing this, and that the movement at large had a strong, solid position on the topic.

The movement does NOT have that, and you're still voicing support for it. That makes you culpable.

Do you not see the difference? Even if I support the idea that journalistic integrity in gaming news matters, I'm not responsible for hate that originates under the gamergate banner, because I'm not supporting the gamergate banner. But if I claim solidarity and operate UNDER the gamergate banner, I AM responsible for the **** that originates from it.

I, right now, am not claiming solidarity with any "anti-gamergate" movement. This is me personally disgusted with a bunch of misogynistic ***** and the legion of privileged pricks who think they can sit by and ignore what people in their movement are doing because they, personally, aren't committing the offenses. I literally live my life in that kind of **** show, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it's okay for people to be pretending it's not their problem when they're actively lending support to the environment that creates the offenses.

Let me put it this way - if someone is 100% not a homophobe, that means **** if they're not calling out friends who are homophobic idiots for their homophobic idiocy. That's just the way it works; refusing to take a stand against abuse, but supporting peripherally supporting abusers, MAKES you an abuser.

If you have a group of 10 close friends, and one of them is a homophobic *******, that's still fine if the other 9 call him out for his homophobic behaviors and establish the fact that they won't accept it around them. That's absolutely fine - I'm sure the 1 guy has qualities that make him a good friend in other ways.

But if only 1 or 2 of the friends are meekly calling the guy out, then guess what? When I'm in the same bar, and that guy makes a comment, and the group doesn't check him, I just see a group of homophobic ****** And that means you just magnified his homophobic asshatery by 10x by not standing up against it, but social supporting him otherwise.

That's how privilege works.

Gamergate is the launching ground for the offenses, and you are claiming support for gamergate, and therefore you are supporting the movement that is the launching ground for those offenses.

Do you really not see that logic?

I don't care if you're 100% against doxxing and harassment and misogyny. I literally do not care. Because you're vocally supporting a movement that's spawning that hate and you and the rest of the movement at large are doing **** to actually address that. So you get ALL the blame of supporting a hate group, regardless of whether or not the parts you appreciate are the hateful parts.

I'm sorry if you've positioned yourself so deeply within the movement that you can't see what it's like from the outside of it, but that's still your choice. And you are held accountable for it.

Edited, Oct 24th 2014 9:32am by idiggory