A you trying to make me a feminist?Follow

Weaponized guilt is a lot easier.

Depends. Are you a socially malformed misogynist troglodyte or a screeching feminist SJW harpy?

Also, I laughed when someone elsewhere cited that "It's about ethics in game journalism" meme as evidence that they had "won" since someone had used it as a punchline.



Edited, Oct 27th 2014 2:20pm by Jophiel

Yes!

Oh...

Your group is only as strong as your weakest link. Your weakest links are loud & like to harass & threaten woman, so you aren't going to "win" shit until your movement can distance itself from that.

And seriously, if Felicia Day can't speak her mind on the subject without getting doxxed I can't say I have high hopes of that ever happening.

Are guys so attached to the hashtag "#gamergate" that you can't create a new one? Is Adam Baldwin's influence that great?

You are a fool if you think the other side will treat the "gamergate" non-harassment agenda any different regardless of what name is goes under. It will always boil down to the same ****. So it seems to me that coming up with another banner to wave is a pointless endeavor.

I don't know either, but I do know this: it's just a shot away.

Timelordwho on Poldaran:

'I think he's very slightly misogynistic... I think he might have some rejection issues with women... I mean that's just a feeling I have, I can't substantiate it. I think he's afraid of being rejected by women in a lot of situations... so he's more keen to find fault with them."

See, that's the kind of deflection people mean. Yeah, it's not classy at all. Yeah, whoever did it is a **** (assuming this is gamergate related, since I know literally nothing about this person or why people would want to do this).

But considering what women have faced with gamergate, it's deflection. That doesn't change the fact that it's still a **** move, but presenting it in terms of "see, gamergaters get harassed, too" just underscores the fact that you're not really appreciating the differences in severity here.

It's like when a woman says, "Men are a threat to women due to high rates of rape, assault, and other acts of physical or verbal violence" and you respond with "Not all men." It's a deflection.

This moves into deflection as well. "Well, getting someone's personal information to dial in a fake emergency call to their house is bad, but..."

No, it's just fucked up behavior by bullies who are on the feminist side of the Gamergate debate. Full stop. Call it for what it is, denounce it and move on. Does anyone really need to play "compare and contrast" to decide if what happened here is "as bad" or "not as bad" as other behavior? What's the point of that beyond score keeping?

By the same token, if you claim to be against rape, harassment, assault, etc and someone say "This guy was just assaulted" the correct response isn't "But it's not the same as when it happens to a woman because..."

That's both sides. You can't pretend to be legitimately concerned about these things when every time it comes from your own side results in "Yeah but..."

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 9:31am by Jophiel

You have to be careful that when you bring up issues it's not in a tone of "See it happens to us too", which minimizes other victims. That's really the key, be thoughtful and always consider how you present something and if it minimizes someone else.

Perhaps in order to deal with it and start a productive conversation now, especially given the context, you may have to simply ignore what's directed at you for now. Maybe that's what will enable you to actually get people to engage. Ignore stupidity, don't give it validity by talking about it, and report anything dangerous to law enforcement.

Young Male Syndrome. It'll be a certified disability in a decade or two. The reflexive fight or flight reaction to everything and anything. I blame music and video games.

Kids these days.

So, basically... whoever starts the debate wins. Huh.



And this is equality how?

Not at all, but we're not at the start of the debate, we're somewhere in the middle of a mess. And even so, minimizing a victim's experience is never going to lead somewhere productive.

It's not equality, it's pragmatism if someone is legitimately interested in moving the discussion forward. These things will have to be dealt with at some point, but they in no way balance each other, so it becomes irrelevant to the discussion. Someone being harassed on one side, doesn't diminish the harassment of the other side, and vice versa.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 12:15pm by Xsarus