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#1 Sep 11 2014 at 12:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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A step forward for safety, a tool to allow women to better combine career and motherhood, an excellent aid for **** or single men who want children or...MISOGYNY?!!! Dun dun DUUUUNNNNN!!!

Sorry, the title is a response to the title of the article. I'm personally a fan of the idea. Obviously, I think it's all of the things listed before the ellipsis. Then again, I've loved the idea ever since the first time I read about it in a science fiction novel(one of the Honor Harrington books, if you're curious).

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Women no longer give birth in Aldous Huxley’s classic Brave New World. Instead, surgically removed ovaries are fertilized then bred in artificial receptacles. That was all pulled out of Huxley’s imagination with the help of LSD, but he might have accurately predicted our impending brave new future regarding birth.

Transhumanist journalist and scholar Zoltan Istvan wrote on Monday about current concrete developing research in artificial womb technology, called ectogenesis. The practice would allow humans to breed without giving birth in perhaps 20 years, Istvan predicts in his Motherboard column. The term ectogenesis was coined by British scientist J.B.S. Haldane in 1924, a friend and inspiration of Huxley’s who predicted that live human births would make up less than 30 percent of all births by the year 2074.

Reproductive Health and Social Justice’s Soraya Chemaly wrote about developments by two leading scientists in the ectogenesis field. In Japan, Yoshinori Kuwabara of Juntendo University successfully nurtured goat embryos in a machine filled with amniotic fluid, while Helen Hung-Ching Liu, of Cornell University’s Reproductive Endocrine Laboratory at the Center for Reproductive Medicine and Infertility, grew a mouse embryo in an artificial womb in 2003, and kept a human embryo alive for 10 days in 2011.

Current legislation halts research projects involving human embryos after 14 days. So it will be a while—at least a decade, according to Istvan—before ectogenesis research can fully gestate human embryos.

Although it holds the potential to be an efficient and occasionally life-saving procedure, ectogenesis has already sparked debate. Is “human” still applicable if embryos are not technically bred of a human womb? What about “mother”? Istvan notes that the most prevalent philosophical issue driving ectogenesis is that it will shift perceptions of women in society. “Will the feminine mystique be lost by such an artificial process replacing what’s been long a mainstay of the female domain?” he asks.

This question has caused a rift between leading scientists and feminist scholars, who state that ectogenesis “could hand over women’s sacred birthing ability to science.” In her book The Captured Womb: A History of the Medical Care of Pregnant Women, Ann Oakley claims that ectogenesis encourages long-standing misogynistic medical practices appropriating women’s wombs for science’s sake. Ectogenesis is problematic for the socially conservative and religious, too. Journalist and Green Mountain College professor John Nassivera wrote in America, the National Catholic Review that depriving a growing fetus from the intimacy of its mother’s body “is a very serious thing.”

Yet supporters claim ectogenesis will be beneficial to both science and humanity, making childbirth safer for mothers as well as fetuses. Women unable to procreate, infertile couples and same-sex couples needing a surrogate could have children with ectogenesis.

In his article, Istvan supports ectogenesis because it could improve the health of babies: “The theory is that every heartbeat, kick, and moment of a fetus's life could be carefully monitored, from zygote to the moment the baby takes its first breath of air. Every nutrient the fetus gets would be measured, every movement it makes would be filmed, every heartbeat would be analyzed for proper timing,” he writes. “As with all new technology, traditional biological and social customs could give way to newer practices promising safety, efficiency, and practicality.”


Edit: Damn you, filter! Meh, I'm not going to bother breaking it. I think my point gets across due to context, right?

Edited, Sep 11th 2014 12:21am by Poldaran
#2 Sep 11 2014 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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tl;dr.
#3 Sep 11 2014 at 5:06 AM Rating: Good
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Test tube babies. Human population can reproduce and not hold up a woman for 9 months.

Though, the idea of removing ovaries from the woman, wouldn't that cause premature menopause and all those nasty side effects? I know my mom had a hysterectomy early in her life and she definitely didn't like the side effects. She's better now, but things still aren't right.
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TirithRR wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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Test tube babies. Human population can reproduce and not hold up a woman for 9 months.

Though, the idea of removing ovaries from the woman, wouldn't that cause premature menopause and all those nasty side effects? I know my mom had a hysterectomy early in her life and she definitely didn't like the side effects. She's better now, but things still aren't right.
The ovary thing was from the book he was referencing. I don't think that's part of the procedure as currently planned.
#5 Sep 11 2014 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Pregnancy is hard on the body, not to mention anything the woman is exposed to during pregnancy the fetus is also exposed to.

If the practice were to be perfected and become standardized (and be affordable), I can see women opting for baby-growing outside the body simple for convenience.

I don't buy the loss of feminine mystique. There's nothing mysterious in growing a baby. But I do see a potential issue with the loss of breast milk.
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#6 Sep 11 2014 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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But I do see a potential issue with the loss of breast milk.
I hadn't thought of that. I wonder if they'll develop a low dose hormone therapy to allow women to breastfeed if they want it.
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This question has caused a rift between leading scientists and feminist scholars, who state that ectogenesis “could hand over women’s sacred birthing ability to science.”
Oh for ****'s sake.
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#8 Sep 11 2014 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't want to be the one to point that out. Smiley: laugh
#9 Sep 11 2014 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I know several people that would love the ability to grow their own minions..
..and several other that would like to grow their own sex slaves.
How long til this is marketed?

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I know several people that would love the ability to grow their own minions..

I'm ok with the current method. Sure it takes a while, but the development phase isn't too onerous.
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This is fantastic from a medical point of view but I'd be concerned about fetal brain development. There's a whole lot of interaction, sounds, heart beat, hormonal changes triggered by mom's environment etc that contribute to the sensory input a fetus incorporates into its development. You could simulate some of that but I'm not sure we'd get it quite right and the repercussions may not be immediately identifiable. Could end up with a world full of heartless sociopaths before we even knew there was a problem. That's a whole lot of new conservatives...
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Could end up with a world full of heartless sociopaths before we even knew there was a problem.

Problem? You just described the recipe for the perfect soldier! (and citizen).

Queue the Zager and Evans!
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#13 Sep 11 2014 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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This would move us further toward the glorious evolution.
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#14 Sep 11 2014 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
Another book where this was a thing was my fav post apocalyptic YA sci-fi, Alien Child.

Made it possible to reboot humanity after a couple of millenia had passed.
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lolgaxe wrote:
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This question has caused a rift between leading scientists and feminist scholars, who state that ectogenesis “could hand over women’s sacred birthing ability to science.”
Oh for ****'s sake.
Yeah, that's generally the reaction when told it's too late for the epidural.
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This would move us further toward the glorious evolution.
I'm just glad that our prosthetic technology is moving rapidly towards full cybernetic implants. I'm hoping for a 90s mecha arm with weapon integration.
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I'm hoping for a 90s mecha arm with weapon integration.

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I know several people that would love the ability to grow their own minions..

I'm ok with the current method. Sure it takes a while, but the development phase isn't too onerous.

Well, that depends on the housing your womb comes in. You definitely got the deluxe case; anything less and I'd just use it to synthesize spice.
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#20 Sep 13 2014 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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So you all do realize this means that if you were in The Matrix you would likely sell everyone out for virtal Filet Mignon. Smiley: dubious

Edited, Sep 13th 2014 12:17pm by Kelvyquayo
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#21 Sep 13 2014 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not true. I'd sell most of you out for a fun size Snickers bar.
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#22 Sep 13 2014 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not true. I'd sell most of you out for a fun size Snickers bar.

For some people, I'd do it for a cell phone pic of the look on their faces when they found out.

Edited, Sep 13th 2014 1:53pm by Poldaran
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Jophiel wrote:
I make most of my decisions based on how they'd play out on fantasy movie-worlds.


How about how they play out in fantasy book-worlds? (like the transhumanism bible.. Brave New World [not the Civ5 expansion pack that still couldn't save that game for meSmiley: frown])
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Jophiel wrote:
I make most of my decisions based on how they'd play out on fantasy movie-worlds.


How about how they play out in fantasy book-worlds? (like the transhumanism bible.. Brave New World [not the Civ5 expansion pack that still couldn't save that game for meSmiley: frown])
I make all my decisions based on how someone on Gor would do it.
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