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#27 Jan 16 2015 at 9:55 PM Rating: Default
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Kind of back on topic. Does anyone else feel like all of the "lame duck" policies are part of one huge "life" game patch?

- Immigration
- Cuba
- 2 year school
- Maternity leave

This must be a really good time to be in. Do all of the stuff that you ever wanted to do and let the next person deal with sorting out any problems.
#28 Jan 25 2015 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
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The Republican divide over Romney and Bush is very interesting. Donors supporting Bush, which would seem like the obvious choice, with the voters supporting Romney. What do you do? I say ignore the voters and go with Bush (or another established candidate) because at the end of the day, die hard Republicans are going to vote for the Republican nominee anyway, it's the swing voters you have to be concerned about. I'm not so sure that Romney will win them over, given that Bush is seen as a "fresh face". That also goes directly in line with Bush's philosophy of willing to lose the primary to win the election.

On the flip side, I think Romney would be the best nominee for HRC to go after. People said that Bush would counter the "Dynasty" feeling, but Romney would counter the "enough already, old news" feeling. I feel that the latter feeling is much destructive than the former.
#29 Jan 25 2015 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wait, you're saying bush would counter the dynasty feeling?
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#30 Jan 25 2015 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I took that to mean "Dynasty", as in the old TV show. Opulence, obnoxious displays of wealth. You know.
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To avoid future confusion, Romney will give off a "Falcon Crest" vibe.
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#32 Jan 25 2015 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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I took that to mean "Dynasty", as in the old TV show. Opulence, obnoxious displays of wealth. You know.


What I meant was that Clinton brings another Clinton in the White House. So, if you're looking for someone fresh and new, it wouldn't be Clinton. However, Bush does the exact same thing, so it sorta cancels each other out. You can't vote against Clinton because of dynasties and vote for Bush. You would have to essentially throw that aspect away.

Romney on the other hand, hasn't won. He sort of has a dynasty of losers, but not winners, so he's free of that feeling. Unfortunately, he's more recent in the news. One of the reasons why Clinton lost in 2008 was she became old news very quickly by being in the spotlight for so long. It allowed someone fresh to woo the voters. Although Bush brings the dynasty feeling, he hasn't been in the spot light like Romney. People have the opportunity to relearn (or know for the first time) who Bush is. Romney doesn't have that option, his gaffe wheel is still in rotation.

So, if I had to take a $10,000 bet (see what I did there), I would bet that an undecided voter (who is probably more center) would give Bush a first chance before giving Romney a third chance. So as a donor, I would stick with someone like Bush. I think they will continue to see where the polls will be once everything is in full motion before making their final decision, but at this stage, I would stick with Bush.

Edited, Jan 26th 2015 5:46am by Almalieque
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People said that Bush would counter the "Dynasty" feeling
...which is what people found confusing but it seems you have the same general impression as most ("...blah, blah, years with a Bush or Clinton the ballot, blah, blah..."). It occurs to me that you were contrasting them to Clinton, not Bush and Romney to each other.

I think the primary difference between Bush and Clinton there is that the two Bush presidencies ended poorly with Bush Sr losing re-election to Clinton and GWB having terrible approval when he left the presidency. In contrast, people think relatively well of the Clinton years and, even with the Lewinsky scandal, ended his term with high approval ratings. If I had to hitch my wagon to one of those names, it wouldn't be much contest.

Admittedly though, if someone is just set against a "dynasty" than that doesn't matter as much unless both get the nomination. I don't think Jeb Bush will survive the primary process but that's just a gut impression that might change when the actual process starts rolling along.

Edited, Jan 25th 2015 9:55pm by Jophiel
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#34 Jan 25 2015 at 10:16 PM Rating: Default
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People said that Bush would counter the "Dynasty" feeling
...which is what people found confusing but it seems you have the same general impression as most ("...blah, blah, years with a Bush or Clinton the ballot, blah, blah..."). It occurs to me that you were contrasting them to Clinton, not Bush and Romney to each other.

I think the primary difference between Bush and Clinton there is that the two Bush presidencies ended poorly with Bush Sr losing re-election to Clinton and GWB having terrible approval when he left the presidency. In contrast, people think relatively well of the Clinton years and, even with the Lewinsky scandal, ended his term with high approval ratings. If I had to hitch my wagon to one of those names, it wouldn't be much contest.

Admittedly though, if someone is just set against a "dynasty" than that doesn't matter as much unless both get the nomination. I don't think Jeb Bush will survive the primary process but that's just a gut impression that might change when the actual process starts rolling along.

Edited, Jan 25th 2015 9:55pm by Jophiel


Well maybe it made mores sense in my head, but when I said "Bush would counter the dynasty feeling", I meant more of cancelling each other out.

I personally don't think people really care about dynasties, only the political pundits because the general election is their superbowl and they want to see different players with upsets. Your point of loving Bill and disapproving of GWB shows that it's not the fact that they had family members in office, but whether or not they like them. I don't think Bush will win the nomination either, because he already has little support. I know one thing, this election was historically set up to go to the GOP and them losing this term would be an embarrassing blow.

I think if Bush falls out early, they will try to create a new face that's in the background. I just don't see Mitt beating Hillary. The little "I was right" moment that he had, not only turned out to be more false than true, but is buried under his false economic predictions.
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If I was giving a from the hip, laugh at how wrong I was in a year sort of guess, I'd say Scott Walker for the GOP nomination. He's already a GOP darling, governor of a Midwestern state and doesn't have any major issues that would cause one of the main conservative factions to rally against him. He's not going to say that women don't deserve birth control or that we should eat poor people for food or that if immigrant children loved America, they would have stayed in Mexico rather than let themselves be transported illegally as infants.

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He's not going to say [...] that we should eat poor people for food
He's already lost my vote.
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#38 Jan 26 2015 at 12:11 AM Rating: Default
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If I was giving a from the hip, laugh at how wrong I was in a year sort of guess, I'd say Scott Walker for the GOP nomination. He's already a GOP darling, governor of a Midwestern state and doesn't have any major issues that would cause one of the main conservative factions to rally against him. He's not going to say that women don't deserve birth control or that we should eat poor people for food or that if immigrant children loved America, they would have stayed in Mexico rather than let themselves be transported illegally as infants.

Edited, Jan 25th 2015 10:29pm by Jophiel

That's who I was thinking of in my last post, but I couldn't think of his name.
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He's not going to say that women don't deserve birth control or that we should eat poor people for food or that if immigrant children loved America, they would have stayed in Mexico rather than let themselves be transported illegally as infants.


So un-electable in the GOP primary you're saying?
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I'll probably be voting Romney in the Republican primary.
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If Jeb does nothing prior to the primaries, I think he's pretty much a shoe-in.

I think in an untouched primary race Scott Walker could make a good show of it. But the Republican poli-machine would recognize his inability to win in a general election; so wouldn't let it happen.
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I'll probably be voting Romney in the Republican primary.
I'll write in None of the Above.
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#43 Jan 28 2015 at 5:09 PM Rating: Default
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So, apparently we're doing Benghazi again and appealing the ACA. Some things never change. I thought at least the GOP led congress would come up with some NEW auto-vetod bills that will never become law. They should really take note from President Obama's STOU address. Go Big or go home!
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Zero mystery there. Benghazi is 100% about Clinton leading every potential GOP nominee in the polls. ACA is about safe red meat for the base (including for newbie congresscritters who haven't been able to vote on hating Obamacare yet).
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#45 Jan 28 2015 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
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I expected this stuff to happen, just figured they would come out the gate swinging. At least Boehner admitted that they "stumbled". I think they were so excited with all of their "power", that they just didn't know what to do first. Abortion? Really...
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Zero mystery there.
That's not how you get ratings. It's completely mysterious and innovative.
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If I was giving a from the hip, laugh at how wrong I was in a year sort of guess, I'd say Scott Walker for the GOP nomination.

Things I learned today: Scott Walker never graduated from college and is, in fact, some 36 credit hours short of graduating (so he's not even close, not some technical "never got those two PE credits" thing). He was also supposedly a pretty poor student when he was there.

I wonder if the conservative faithful will be demanding his academic records if he's the nominee.
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That's gotta be some GOP badge of honor. Dixie cup, etc.
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School grades have hardly been relevant to voters for at least two and a half decades.

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Have they ever been relevant?

Education levels for prospective presidents are well-known, but grades are not typically divulged...are they?

I bet Hillary got good grades.

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My comment on grades was tongue-in-cheek given the number of people who have demanded Obama's college transcripts. You know, to see if he "deserved" to go to Harvard, etc (*cough*no racism there*cough*)

Not having any degree might be more of a sticker. I think that, for all people insult politicians and their intelligence, that they want to believe the guy they're voting for is smarter than the average bear and having a degree is a step along that path.
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