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I know that Ugly will have no sympathy for me, but I was pretty bummed out to wake up and see snow outside this morning.

Stupid weather.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2015 2:11pm by Xsarus

You're probably one of about ten people left on Zam.

You steal a script book from the Mount Vernon reenactor employee's lounge?

Ted cruz apparently is on Obamacare after his speech of repealing every word. The funny thing about it is it's because his wife is on leave for his camcampaign. That's a major reason why the ACA exists.

I'm worried, after all the talk about how a shutdown would ruin them economically.

That's true. And there's nothing that says he HAS to use the health care exchanges. He could have called up whoever his provider was with Goldman Sachs and asked for an individual policy to be paid out of pocket -- well, except that that would be ridiculously expensive and the whole point of the exchanges was to use group buying to lower the cost of insurance for people. You know, via socialism and government takeovers of 33% of the economy and stuff.

Edited, Mar 25th 2015 1:29pm by Jophiel

**** you too

Every black person serious about politics know that Democrats are the lesser of two evils. One party pretends to care, the other party simply doesn't care at all.

You are an idiot. Because slavery, Jim crow, segregation, housing segregation, employment tactics, etc. had NOTHING to do with the need for the social welfare system.

What do you have against blacks that you must consistently spew this nonsensical and ignorant biased remarks on nothing but negativity?

Read above? That's just plain stupid. Suppressing the votes are the admissions from the Republican party. I guess old white people are equally suppressed for voting Republican. Likewise for every other demographic that tends to vote for a particular party. I understand your troll tactic to address every topic, but at least give black people a little more respect when doing so. Contrary to your belief (and Fox News), black people aren't mindless idiots. When your party loses the Hispanic, Asian and the Black vote, it's time to accept that your policies do not connect with minorities.

And any black people who dare to believe otherwise or say otherwise get labeled as Uncle Tom's and race traitors, right? It's a bad sign for the honesty of a position among a group of people when tactics like that are employed. You're committing an Appeal to Popularity fallacy, which is bad enough, but when that popularity is enforced by fear of reprisal? Terrible.



I'm sure that's what you were taught. Probably by the same people telling you that if you don't agree, you're an Uncle Tom. Can't you even consider the possibility that the welfare system just happened to be employed at the exact time it was employed precisely because it could serve as a replacement for earlier more obvious methods of racial oppression?



I have nothing against blacks. I'm trying to help blacks. I happen to believe that the best help would be to end their racially disparate reliance on social welfare. Because those programs don't actually end poverty. They tend to institutionalize it among populations. Doubly so among high density populations like say our existing primarily black urban neighborhoods. It's impossible for a neighborhood to have 7 times more adults living there than there are jobs without a welfare system in place. Yet, the undeniable result of growing up in a neighborhood like that is a very high probability of yourself being poor and likely a criminal. Not because of your skin color, but because of the environment.

Welfare ensures that environment stays intact. By enacting welfare programs right at the time period when blacks were winning the civil rights war, the racists of the day ensured that a large percentage of black people would never be able to achieve the prosperity that true civil rights can bring. You think civil rights is about receiving a welfare check? What do *you* have against blacks?



Not, it's not.



Like the respect of believing that black people don't need welfare to be successful? Like the respect of believing that black people are just as capable as white people and don't need a "leg up"? WTF? I believe that the only thing holding black people back today is the same thing that held them back prior to the civil rights movement: A system rigged to prevent success. Unlike you, I believe that rigged system is the welfare system. So while you look around for some tiny clues of secret/hidden racism in the society around you, I'm pointing my finger at the big neon-flashing-sign of a system that is holding blacks back and has been for decades now.



And yet, you support a system that assumes that they are, and thus need special rules and protections from the totally unfair world around them, while I merely advocate for treating black people the same as white people.




Our policies aren't designed to connect with any one group. They're designed to be fair to all. I'm reasonably certain that when people stop thinking of themselves based on the identity group the Left has assigned them and start thinking as free individuals, they realize how much better this approach is. Those who don't will find themselves pushed into an identity box, marginalized, told that they need to fight for some cause or other which never seems to improve their condition, and ultimately just be used as political pawns by an ideology that doesn't treat them as individuals, but as members of a group to be influenced and controlled.

The very fact that you think in terms of winning "black votes" or "latino votes" shows the degree to which this mindset had affected you. Isn't it offensive to you to be thought of as just a vote, but more importantly having it just assumed that you and every other black person all care about the exact same things? You can't be an individual but must comply with some kind of group identity? I'm frankly baffled how you don't see that this is incredibly condescending. Yet you lash out at the guy telling you that it's ok to just think of yourself as a person and not just a "black person". Cause I'm not the one putting a label around your neck. You might want to think about who is.

Which means that bigots will mold the rest of their beliefs to fit in with conservatives

I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'm going to assume that this implies the bigot related beliefs are already baked into the GOP so they don't need to modify those at all.

So apparently the plane was intentionally crashed by the co-pilot.

Yeah. Not much defense against a crazy person who knows how your security works.

I would rather be in a faulty plane with a good pilot than an perfectly fine plane with a wack job at the helm.