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#3552 Mar 07 2017 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, no. If they removed a toilet then they did. If they added a stall into the existing space then they didn't.


You took up a stall in the design of your restroom that would otherwise have had a toilet. I've yet to see an existing functional restroom in any business that had extra floor space available to put another non-toilet stall. Have you? That would be "wasted space", and that means "wasted money". No one does this. You cram as many stalls into the restrooms as can fit. So no, if you are retrofitting an existing restroom, the only way to do this is to decrease the total number of usable toilets in that restroom by one. Again, unless the original design was so inefficient with floor space that it actually had an entire extra stalls worth of space that was not being used.

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If they designated space in a new room then they didn't.


They designated a stall which could have contained a toilet and chose not to put one there. No matter how you slice it, in order to make room for this you will have one fewer functional toilets in the restroom. I'm not sure how you can think otherwise.


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Especially since adding in the plumbing for an additional toilet is much more extensive than putting up a partition and a chair.


Granted. But that's worse IMO. The extra expense of running the pipes for a toilet in that stall is much cheaper to do when doing the initial build, when the floor is already opened up and you're already running plumbing than it will be when the women working there demand that they have a clean environment to do this, and you end up allocating a small empty office for this anyway, only now your restroom is one toilet shy, and you'll have to rip up the floors to fix the initial dumb design choice you made.

I honestly can't imagine anyone wanting to operate a breast pump in a public restroom. Removing the toilet from the stall still leaves you sitting in a stall in a public restroom. It's kind of an insulting "concession" to the women IMO. You fight to get a private space for breast pumping and they give you a space inside the restroom? Um...

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How much would it suck if all bathrooms were BYOTP?
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gbaji wrote:
That would be "wasted space", and that means "wasted money".


Unless you are charging people to use the bathroom, there is no "Wasted Money", because you are saving money by not having to plumb the stall, you are saving money by not having to purchase the toilet, you won't have the water usage of a toilet to pay for, and the paper product usage will be less, so actually you are could actually be saving money.



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Now, on the other hand, I saw some pearl-clutchy post related to tomorrow's "Day Without a Woman" which listed amongst its grievances that most women's bathrooms didn't have tampons readily available in them. I can see why this might urgent if you don't have one, but I can't imagine why anybody would expect that somebody else would provide them.


I suppose that's up to the owner of the building. I could see that as a nice bonus in an office building (I mean, we have free sodas in the break rooms, so why not?). I would totally not expect such a thing in a publicly accessible restroom though. People would just come and take them all. Yes. Some people really do just ruin it for everyone.

I could see putting some kind of vending machine in there though.
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My building has a specific room for milking set aside. I suppose they could turn it into another small private call room, but honestly who gives a ****? More power to them; seems like a good use of space and incentive to offer employees.

Now, on the other hand, I saw some pearl-clutchy post related to tomorrow's "Day Without a Woman" which listed amongst its grievances that most women's bathrooms didn't have tampons readily available in them. I can see why this might urgent if you don't have one, but I can't imagine why anybody would expect that somebody else would provide them.


I don't think anyone's expecting a bowl of tampons free for the taking, but a vending machine makes all kinds of sense. Beats taking a half hour or more to get to a pharmacy.
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Aren't tampons sold at most convenience stores? Supermarkets have them at the very least. Pretty much any place with a health aisle will have them for sale. So it's not like it's that far to go. Not that I'm trying to diminish the issue of realizing you need a tampon right now, just curious about the whole "find a pharmacy" bit. But yeah. Put a vending machine in there for emergencies. Doesn't take up much space, and will presumably pay for itself.
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Yeah, I'm not actually going to argue bathroom planning with Gbaji.
Sorry, Jophiel. gbaji talked to a menstruating female once, so he has at least as much knowledge about the subject as one of those elitist "scientists"...or "women".


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It seems rather socialist that most people expect free tissue and soap to be given to them in a bathroom. It's not terribly hard to carry your own.
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Milking in women's bathrooms sound like a bad idea considering how absolutely filthy their bathrooms tend to be.
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Well, that's why a separate, non-toilet, stall would be a logical thing if you're going to put your milking area in the bathroom to begin with.
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It seems rather socialist that most people expect free tissue and soap to be given to them in a bathroom. It's not terribly hard to carry your own.


After living in China for a few months, I have been cured of this expectation. And I agree, you lot are all dirty, stinking commies.
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Quint post.

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Well.

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Uh. I didn't even refresh or anything I just clicked the post button until it worked.

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Is that even a reference I can make anymore? That website is solidly in the second internet fossil layer.

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Allegory wrote:
It seems rather socialist that most people expect free tissue and soap to be given to them in a bathroom. It's not terribly hard to carry your own.


Providing items directly related to the act of urinating or defecating (which is kinda what the toilets are there for in the first place), is pretty reasonable. Providing additional hygiene related items, while certainly nice, are not necessary for the functioning of a public restroom. We could also demand shaving kits, cream, ear hair trimmers, toenail clippers, hand lotion, and a host of other things as well. But we don't.
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Providing items directly related to the act of urinating or defecating (which is kinda what the toilets are there for in the first place), is pretty reasonable.

Of which tissue and soap are not. It's certainly more sanitary than walking around with gunk on your behind, but the same can be said for walking around with gunk in you front.

I'm not demanding every bathroom have tampons, I don't even got me one of them fancy vaginas, but I also don't demand that every bathroom have tissue and soap. If you did any sort of traveling you'd know that many don't. It's nice for bathrooms to have tampons for the exact same reason it's nice for them to have tissue and soap. All of them are convenient for bathroom related sanitary needs. I'm happy to pay the cost that is passed on to me for that convenience. I just don't think my bathroom needs belong to some higher tier than the other half of the population.
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Providing items directly related to the act of urinating or defecating (which is kinda what the toilets are there for in the first place), is pretty reasonable.

Of which tissue and soap are not. It's certainly more sanitary than walking around with gunk on your behind, but the same can be said for walking around with gunk in you front.


The "gunk in you(r) front" did not get there because of the visit to the restroom though. A public restroom exists to provide a location for people to urinate and defecate in a manner which removes the unsanitary results from broad public exposure (else we'd just do our business in the street like god intended or something). Providing toilet paper to wipe one's behind, and soap/water to clean one's hands is part of that.

A woman menstruates whether she's using a restroom at the moment or not. A closer analogy (although not remotely perfect) would be to something like perspiration. We don't provide deodorant/anti-perspirant in public restrooms either, despite the lack of such things certainly causing a negative reaction from others.

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I'm not demanding every bathroom have tampons, I don't even got me one of them fancy vaginas, but I also don't demand that every bathroom have tissue and soap. If you did any sort of traveling you'd know that many don't.


I think "many" is a bit of a stretch. You'd be hard pressed to find very many restrooms absent toilet paper and some means to clean up (sink with hand soap) in most western nations. Might be a bit less common in less developed parts of the world (I've used squat toilets where you cleaned up with a hose basically). Dunno. I don't see arguing that all bathrooms don't have one thing as a reason why having them means we should have other things. It's a nicety, but less of a necessity IMO.

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It's nice for bathrooms to have tampons for the exact same reason it's nice for them to have tissue and soap. All of them are convenient for bathroom related sanitary needs.


Different points on the scale of "bathroom related" though.

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I'm happy to pay the cost that is passed on to me for that convenience. I just don't think my bathroom needs belong to some higher tier than the other half of the population.


I don't think it's fair to paint this as some kind of battle of the sexes thing though. Women use toilet paper and soap as part of their restroom use as well as men (and more often in terms of the paper in fact). It's not like we provide one set of things needed by men and then cruelly deny an alternative set needed by women. It's one set for both men and women. The question is about how practical it is to provide an additional nicety. And, as I've already pointed out, I'm fine with vending machines in most/all public restrooms, and think that more private ones (employee restrooms in an office building for example) can provide them if the business decides to do so as a service to its employees.

I just find that the relative difficulty in terms of providing your own versus cost/loss if it's provided for you is problematic with regard to tampons. Let's face it. It's not terribly convenient for most people to walk around with a roll of toilet paper and a bar of soap in their purse/pocket. And those items can be dispensed in the restroom in a manner which makes it inefficient for them to be taken advantage of. I suppose you could pull a big wad of tp out of the stall and keep it for later use, but how many people are going to do this? Similarly, what exactly are you going to do with excess soap? Walk around with an extra dollop in your hand all day so you can use it later? Since these items are generally only going to be used while physically in a restroom, most people have no need to take them, thus theft issues are low.

Since tampons are used all the time during menstruation, and not just while in the bathroom, providing them "free" in a public restroom would likely result in a lot of women just taking free tampons and using them instead of purchasing their own. And taking a couple spares "just in case". You'll grab a free tampon and put it in your purse for later use in a way you'd never pull off extra tp from the roll and do the same, right? So one item is going to result in far more theft and abuse than the other, and will likely result in a heck of a lot more expense than you might think if you go into it assuming that women are only going to take one if they actually find themselves in need and are out.


Honestly? I can't believe we're actually discussing this. But what the heck, right?
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The "gunk in you(r) front" did not get there because of the visit to the restroom though.

Neither did the gunk in the back. My body needs to pee whether I am in the restroom or not. A woman should change her tampon every 4-8 hours to avoid risk of toxic shock syndrome. This is about as non negotiable as as needing to pee or defecate. There are similar levels of unsanitariness and embarrassment associated with the inability to handle either situation without the proper tools. It's pretty much the same.
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I just find that the relative difficulty in terms of providing your own versus cost/loss if it's provided for you is problematic with regard to tampons. Let's face it. It's not terribly convenient for most people to walk around with a roll of toilet paper and a bar of soap in their purse/pocket. And those items can be dispensed in the restroom in a manner which makes it inefficient for them to be taken advantage of. I suppose you could pull a big wad of tp out of the stall and keep it for later use, but how many people are going to do this? Similarly, what exactly are you going to do with excess soap? Walk around with an extra dollop in your hand all day so you can use it later? Since these items are generally only going to be used while physically in a restroom, most people have no need to take them, thus theft issues are low.

Theft issues are about the same. Many public restrooms I've been in simply leave extra tissue rolls on top of the dispenser so they have to change them less often. There isn't anything to stop me from just walking off with the whole thing if I wanted to. Some restaurants offer hand towels, Which are much more worth stealing than either tampons of tissue. Hotels used to (or still do?) have issues with people taking items and manage just fine. The retail cost of a tampon is about 20 cents, and probably less bought wholesale. If she wants it, she can take it. If you're worried that much about thievery then put them in a dispenser like they have for paper towels where it takes some effort to take more than the standard amount.
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You'll grab a free tampon and put it in your purse for later use in a way you'd never pull off extra tp from the roll and do the same, right?

I already do this. If I have a runny nose I'll often grab extra tissue and stick it in my pocket to use if I don't expect to be near any later. Maybe you think I should run down to the gas station to buy my own since it isn't directly related to urinating or defecating, but I've never once been called out for theft when I do it.
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Honestly? I can't believe we're actually discussing this. But what the heck, right?

I don't know about you, but I'm just virtue signaling, ladies.

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The "gunk in you(r) front" did not get there because of the visit to the restroom though.

Neither did the gunk in the back.


Yes, it did.

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The need to pee, yes? The need to clean up after peeing? No. That only happens after you pee. Which, if you're doing this in a public restroom, means you need to clean up after using the restroom. It's an integral component to using the restroom.

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Except that the tampon is in use the entire time, not just while she's changing it. It has value, and is doing its job, the entire time, not just for the brief period of time, in the restroom, after urinating or defecating. They are not comparable actions. If menstruation was something that just happened for a minute or so, a few times a day, you'd manage it the same way you manage urination and defecation and the same toilet paper would be used for clean up afterwards. But it just doesn't work like that.

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There are similar levels of unsanitariness and embarrassment associated with the inability to handle either situation without the proper tools. It's pretty much the same.


Eh. I'd say the ways that they are not the same are relevant here though.

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Theft issues are about the same. Many public restrooms I've been in simply leave extra tissue rolls on top of the dispenser so they have to change them less often.


I've rarely seen extra rolls sitting around (for the exact theft issue). What I do see all the times are dispenser with locks on them, to prevent anyone from removing a whole roll, but requiring them to pull out just what they need. Precisely because a full roll is something someone might grab and take home for their own use, while a handful of toilet paper isn't very handy to carry around relative to its value over time.

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There isn't anything to stop me from just walking off with the whole thing if I wanted to. Some restaurants offer hand towels, Which are much more worth stealing than either tampons of tissue. Hotels used to (or still do?) have issues with people taking items and manage just fine. The retail cost of a tampon is about 20 cents, and probably less bought wholesale. If she wants it, she can take it. If you're worried that much about thievery then put them in a dispenser like they have for paper towels where it takes some effort to take more than the standard amount.


Except that each single tampon has a value to itself, and is in a convenient shape size to walk off with. Sufficient toilet paper to be of much value, just isn't very handy to take, unless you can take a whole roll. One tampon? You'll take it. A Second one? Sure. How about three or four or five? The smallest size you can dispense is always going to have to be a full tampon. That makes it a very attractive thing to steal. And I'm not sure how you'd design a dispenser to just hand out one and only one to any given person. A timer maybe?

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You'll grab a free tampon and put it in your purse for later use in a way you'd never pull off extra tp from the roll and do the same, right?

I already do this. If I have a runny nose I'll often grab extra tissue and stick it in my pocket to use if I don't expect to be near any later. Maybe you think I should run down to the gas station to buy my own since it isn't directly related to urinating or defecating, but I've never once been called out for theft when I do it.


You actually take extra tp from a public restroom and use it for blowing your nose? Um... Ok. Usually that stuff is pretty terrible for that use, but if that's what you do, then good on you. Again though, that's a pretty small amount relative to a whole roll. And most people aren't going to do this. I can pretty much guarantee you that if public restroom commonly handed out tampons free like they do toilet paper, the dispensers would be empty all the time from people just grabbing them so they don't have to buy them themselves.

It would be wonderful if it was the case that people would only take such things when they find themselves in the rare situation of needing one but having forgotten to put an extra in their purse or whatever. And maybe I'm just jaded in terms of human nature. But I honestly do think that this is the kind of thing that would be so abused that it would rarely help those actually in need, and just be taken advantage of by others. The rare occasion when the honest person needs one? Wont be any because of all the dishonest people grabbing them. I suppose if you stocked them super regularly you might be able to alleviate this, but how much cost are we talking about here, and what happens to the tampon industry as a result?


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I've rarely seen extra rolls sitting around (for the exact theft issue). What I do see all the times are dispenser with locks on them, to prevent anyone from removing a whole roll


Is this really a thing that happens? I'm somewhat incredulous, but uh, ok.

Do you live in a ghetto or something?

Or just New York.

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Is this really a thing that happens? I'm somewhat incredulous, but uh, ok.


Huh? You mean people stealing rolls of toilet paper, or dispensers with locks on them? Because pretty much every public restroom has some form of locking mechanism that holds the rolls in place in the dispenser and also prevents anyone from obtaining toilet paper via any method other than unspooling it from the roll. Um... And that's done to reduce theft.

If you're talking about people stealing toilet paper, I'm reasonably certain that everything else being the same, if people can steal a full roll, they're more likely to do that than trying to unroll a ton of paper out of a dispenser and then making off with it. Comedy show skit aside, of course.
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Judge in Florida denied a "Stand Your Ground" defense for a retired cop that shot someone in a theater for texting. Because it's Florida so of course you need a ******* judge to tell people that having popcorn thrown at them isn't a life or death confrontation.

Also it's March and it's snowing.

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Yeesh, within five minutes of each other, I find out that first, Tommy Chong died, and then I see that Don Knotts died! Also, Knotts apparently died in 10 years ago!





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That's odd. I'm not finding anything about Chong being dead. Are you sure?
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Apparently it's a hoax. Now that Abe Vigoda is really dead, the Internet needs another morbid viral death notice hoax to feed it, I guess.
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I was fooled, it was a hoax! Bad monkey!
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Poor guy, this is the fourth time Chong has been late to his own funeral.
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I think he's actually died, he's just been too stoned to notice
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#3593 Mar 20 2017 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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Why'd it take them three months to report on that? Or rather, why'd they bother after three months?
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#3594 Mar 20 2017 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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You have to prioritize what you audience wants to hear. They don't want to hear that it's a bad idea to charge their phone while in the bathtub, so these kinds of stories get passed to a "slow news day." On a normal day, like today, we're busy reading feel-good stories, like how the FBI helped Tom Brady find some misplaced laundry of his.
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#3595 Mar 22 2017 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently people shoot people in other countries too. I know, I was surprised. Maybe it's fake news or what not given the source, but here's a link nonetheless.
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#3596 Mar 22 2017 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Parliament shooting: Police officer 'stabbed'
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#3597 Mar 22 2017 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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A car and a knife as weapons it says now.

These European types need to visit so they can learn how to do a proper shooting. Smiley: oyvey

Edited, Mar 22nd 2017 9:19am by someproteinguy
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#3598 Mar 22 2017 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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I blame Obama for taking away their guns.
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#3599 Mar 22 2017 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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He clearly used New Zealand to get that done.
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