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#27 Feb 02 2015 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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1. Have multiple adds saying we should all be nice to each other and don't be mean to girls and stuff
2. Have add where someone tells new mom "Sorry, it's boy"


WTF


It's only discrimination/racism/sexism/etc when it is targeted at a recognized victim group.
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#28 Feb 02 2015 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I'm all pro-gurl and all, but that's pretty ****** up.
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#29 Feb 02 2015 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm all pro-gurl and all, but that's pretty ****** up.

I thought that was a reaction to the way that a joyful "it's a boy!" is used in pop culture. Someone recently did a study of films and television and found that "it's a boy!" is used when a baby is born like 5x more than "it's a girl!" Plus a comment on the stereotype of men never wishing for a girl, or not being satisfied until they have a son.

(And that's before even getting into the implications of gender preference of children in other cultures).
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, I'm all pro-gurl and all, but that's pretty ****** up.

I thought that was a reaction to the way that a joyful "it's a boy!" is used in pop culture. Someone recently did a study of films and television and found that "it's a boy!" is used when a baby is born like 5x more than "it's a girl!" Plus a comment on the stereotype of men never wishing for a girl, or not being satisfied until they have a son.

(And that's before even getting into the implications of gender preference of children in other cultures).


No one wants to raise a girl...

One penis, all penises, worries, etc.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2015 10:47pm by TirithRR
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Ok, so in the first half of the game, there was a penalty called after one of the touchdowns, for excessive celebration or something. They cut away from it before we were able to fully see what the player did. But it looked like he was making a motion like he was pulling down his pants and beginning to squat over the ball... did he really do that?
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#32 Feb 02 2015 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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He was just trying to re-inflate it.
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Looks like he did. The live feed cut away just as he made the motion to his pants. Looks like some people in the audience recorded it.



Oh, and the fist fight at the end of the game there. It was like watching a hockey game.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2015 11:27pm by TirithRR
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#34 Feb 03 2015 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
It's only discrimination/racism/sexism/etc when it is targeted at a recognized victim group.
Well, that narrows the list down to everyone, everywhere, for all time past, present, and future.
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No one wants to raise a girl...
I always thought it'd be pretty keen to raise a daughter just for the justification of torturing her future boyfriends like Al Bundy.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2015 11:40am by lolgaxe
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lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
It's only discrimination/racism/sexism/etc when it is targeted at a recognized victim group.
Well, that narrows the list down to everyone, everywhere, for all time past, present, and future.


Let's assume for the sake of argument that we're talking about current day USA. In which case the only "safe" group to make negative comments about in popular media is white males. I don't even really blame the folks who write or choose the ads. It's our current culture of "anti-discrimination==advocacy" that causes this. If I'm writing an ad where I need someone to be made to look foolish, or unwanted, or disliked, if I make that character anything other than a white male, the odds of some sort of backlash for my negative portrayal of whatever group(s) that character belongs to increases tenfold. It's just a money/pr thing for them.

Fair or not, the only identity group in the US that does not have any advocacy group(s) (well, acceptable ones anyway) is white males. That makes the choice pretty darn simple.
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#36 Feb 03 2015 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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No, let's go with reality instead.
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Let's assume for the sake of argument that we're talking about current day USA. In which case the only "safe" group to make negative comments about in popular media is white males.

Next step is the MRA meetings!

The old adage is that you insult "up". Haughty rich white woman stepping in poo while working class dames giggle? Not a problem. Male office drones complaining about their strict bitchy woman manager? Still okay since you've established that she's actually dominant. Since white males are roundly on top of the social food chain, if you're going for brevity (like in a commercial), it's easier to just make the "target" a white dude than spend time establishing that the Chinese woman being laughed at by the frat guys was actually in the superior social position.
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#38 Feb 03 2015 at 11:50 PM Rating: Good
I was kind of hoping some of you would actually discuss one of the greatest Superbowls of all time, & not just because my team somehow had a miracle go their way for once & won it, but after some commercial discussion it was all Gbaji'd up.

At least we get another parade tomorrow. I hope to find a very tall snowbank to view it from (which shouldn't be too hard considering we're sitting on about 4 feet with another 8ish inches expexted this week).

On topic, the "throw like a girl" commercial was the best one until it turned out to be a plug for maxi-pads.
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#39 Feb 04 2015 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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not just because my team somehow had a miracle go their way for once & won it,
Seriously?

I though it was a universal truth that Brady was charmed.

I'm a bit disappoint that SPG didn't stop by and drop a tear here.




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The old adage is that you insult "up". Haughty rich white woman stepping in poo while working class dames giggle? Not a problem. Male office drones complaining about their strict ****** woman manager? Still okay since you've established that she's actually dominant. Since white males are roundly on top of the social food chain, if you're going for brevity (like in a commercial), it's easier to just make the "target" a white dude than spend time establishing that the Chinese woman being laughed at by the frat guys was actually in the superior social position.

This is wildly too confusing for him. You need to simplify. Maybe:

"One of the burdens of being the ruling class" No wait, fuck, already too complex.

How about:

"Offending the powerless" Damn it. This is harder than I would have thought...

Let's try this as a starting point. Let me know how it goes:

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#41 Feb 04 2015 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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I was kind of hoping some of you would actually discuss one of the greatest Superbowls of all time, & not just because my team somehow had a miracle
Haven't the Pats been winning Superbowls fairly regularly for the past decade? Let's talk miracles when the Mets break .500 for a season.
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Haven't the Pats been winning Superbowls fairly regularly for the past decade?

First one in a decade, actually. Although they did win 3 in the decade prior. It's been hard for the region to have to suffer through this long ten years with just 6 or 7 other sports championships. I, for one, was concerned sports fans around here wouldn't be able to cope what with the entire year we had to endure since the Red Sox gave up the World Series title. Thank goodness we finally won something.
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Apparently it's been Wicked Hahd

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#44 Feb 04 2015 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
Thank goodness we finally won something.
I feel your pain.
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#45 Feb 04 2015 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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This is pretty cute. Belichick gets all protective of Carroll and his final play-call.
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Belichick gets all protective of Carroll and his final play-call.

Definitely that. He's defending Carroll. It's just a bizarre coincidence that his defense also transmutes of blame on Carroll into praise for Belichick. I mean clearly, Carroll is an amazing coach. Almost impossible to outwit.

Almost. I think Carroll's explanation was fine. It's a reasonable play call there given the situation. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that. No one isn't going to blame him, forever.
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A lot of unfair criticism of Carroll over that. I think I read somewhere that was the 1st goal line interception in the 4th quarter all year. The stats showed throwing was a good idea. As well, they only had 1 time out left. If they run the ball, they're forced to use that time out with 2 plays left if they don't score. What do you do then, throw and have another chance if you don't make it or run and lose the last down due to no time if you don't get in again?
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A lot of unfair criticism of Carroll over that. I think I read somewhere that was the 1st goal line interception in the 4th quarter all year. The stats showed throwing was a good idea. As well, they only had 1 time out left. If they run the ball, they're forced to use that time out with 2 plays left if they don't score. What do you do then, throw and have another chance if you don't make it or run and lose the last down due to no time if you don't get in again?

Right, that's the rational response. It's extremely difficult for that to overcome "Why the fuck didn't you give it to juggernaut who had just gained 4.5 out of 5 yards??? You won't need more than 1 play."
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Let's assume for the sake of argument that we're talking about current day USA. In which case the only "safe" group to make negative comments about in popular media is white males.

Next step is the MRA meetings!

The old adage is that you insult "up". Haughty rich white woman stepping in poo while working class dames giggle? Not a problem. Male office drones complaining about their strict bitchy woman manager? Still okay since you've established that she's actually dominant. Since white males are roundly on top of the social food chain, if you're going for brevity (like in a commercial), it's easier to just make the "target" a white dude than spend time establishing that the Chinese woman being laughed at by the frat guys was actually in the superior social position.


Nah, you insult everyone. You just insult the little people in private. It's undignified to do it publicly.
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A lot of unfair criticism of Carroll over that. I think I read somewhere that was the 1st goal line interception in the 4th quarter all year. The stats showed throwing was a good idea. As well, they only had 1 time out left. If they run the ball, they're forced to use that time out with 2 plays left if they don't score. What do you do then, throw and have another chance if you don't make it or run and lose the last down due to no time if you don't get in again?


The simple answer (as Smash pointed out, kinda) is to just put your run package into play, and run three plays. If you don't have to substitute, you can easily run all the plays you have left in the time allotted. The time out just makes it that much easier. But that's the simple answer for a reason. The danger with this approach is that if you do get stopped (especially if for a loss, which is not uncommon that close to the goal line), you're screwed. Also, run plays are vastly more likely to generate offensive holding calls, which would immediately eliminate any advantage you have. But yeah, despite this, still probably their best bet at that point. One needs only look at the dejected faces of the Patriot players just prior to the interception to realize they all assumed that a running touchdown was close to a sure thing that close to the goal line.

I guess my criticism isn't so much that Carroll went with a pass play, cause I can understand why he might do that, but the choice of play. First off, Wilson is pretty terrible at fast short passes. You're choosing to run a play that works really well when executed by someone like Brady, or Manning, or half dozen other quarterbacks in the league. Not Wilson though. Worse, that particular play is very susceptible to interception if not thrown/timed just right, precisely what you don't want to do in this situation. You're throwing into the line of scrimmage, where defenders are allowed to contact receivers, so it's easy for the receiver to get out of position, or get delayed just a half step. Also, there's lots of people in the area anyway. So lots of random stuff that can happen. Not something you really want to risk in this situation unless you are *very* confident in your quarterback being able to accurately and quickly throw that pass (something Wilson hadn't been able to do all game). Oh. And in addition to the risk of a cut-off resulting in interception (as happened), this play also has the risk of deflection resulting in interception as well. The quarterback has to throw fast. Which often means too hard. To a receiver that's trying to get into position quickly and may not have time to get his hands into position. In the front of the end zone. With people running around in the back of the end zone. Executed perfectly, it's nearly impossible to defend against. When not? It's a high risk play IMO.


If I were going to call a pass play, I would have faked a run to the left, had the right side receiver run left across the back of the end zone, while the right end drifts out to the right side of the end zone. Assuming the defense even remotely bites on the fake (which they kinda have to given the short field), Wilson can roll out to the right and force the corner to choose to defend against the pass, or the run. It's a pretty safe play because Wilson only throws if it's completely clear, and he's a good enough runner that he can force that situation. Absolute worst case, he just tosses the ball out of the side of the end zone (or runs out of bounds, but if he's close enough to make that remotely worth doing, he should just dive for the end zone). Obviously, this is just an example of the kind of play I'd call. The point being that Wilson has some serious strengths as a quarterback. He's fast. He's big. He can run if needed (or if just beneficial). He can toss a mean long ball if he has time to set. What he's not good at is fast short timed routes.

Dunno. I'm not a football coach or anything, but "play to your strengths" seems like a pretty obvious way to go. They had three shots to get into the end zone and honestly plenty of time for either run or pass plays. There's a ton of plays that IMO would have played far better to the strengths of the Seahawks offense than the one they called. Maybe Carroll knew something we all don't, but I don't think it's unfair to criticize his choice of play. I get that sometimes "do something the other guy doesn't expect" is the way to go, but in a situation where "do what you're good at" has a very high probability of winning the game for you, just go with that instead.

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Seriously?

I though it was a universal truth that Brady was charmed.


As blessed as we've been w/championships over the last 14 years, no sports fan will ever be as disappointed as Pats fans were when we went 18-1. I know no other teams fans want to hear that, but its true. Sure, this win helps us forget but it shall never be forgotten.
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