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#27 Sep 03 2015 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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#28 Sep 03 2015 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Good grief. I've wounded you.



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#29 Sep 03 2015 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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#30 Sep 03 2015 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Spend some time talking to some of the law enforcement guys dealing with human trafficking and you'll never look at the immigration issue the same way again.

I'm sure that Gbaji now knows twenty human trafficking law enforcement people.

There's this woman I know, and sometimes make children with, who spent years directly involved in immigration enforcement and can no doubt write a book of direct experiences versus whatever 3x5 note card Gbaji could half fill but, you know, direct experience will never trump 3rd hand accounts you read off a blog somewhere.


And does she disagree with my assessment?

Also, don't you guys live like in Chicago? I don't know where Flea has worked during her career (or in what capacity at those various locations), but I somehow suspect that the issues that immigration enforcement folks deal with vary pretty dramatically based on where you're working. The kinds of problems I'm talking about don't tend to wander more than a few hundred miles north of the US/Mexico border.
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#31 Sep 03 2015 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently not... Smiley: tongue
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Cool movie btw. Totally different than the book though. Both have the life clock thing, but that's about where the similarities end.
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#32 Sep 03 2015 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, so long as we've established that you're just guessing.
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#33 Sep 03 2015 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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He suspects. Totally different from guessing.

Well, except that in both cases, he has no evidence or knowledge or reason.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2015 3:25pm by stupidmonkey
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#34 Sep 03 2015 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, so long as we've established that you're just guessing.


It's a pretty reasonable guess though.

Also: Does she disagree with my assessment, or not? How many undocumented aliens entering via our southern border are just happily skipping around working in the land of the free and sending money back to their families in Mexico versus how many are trapped with a debt to the cartel that smuggled them in, resulting in a state of virtual slavery where most of their earnings go to said cartel? This is a real problem. The mistake with this issue is viewing the plight of undocumented workers as only coming from evil people who want to enforce our immigration laws, and if only we just let them come and work as they wished, everything would be better. The bigger problem for them are their handlers. The people who maintain living camps for them, send them off to work at various locations each day, and then take the money they earn as a cost for providing this "service". You don't seriously think that someone who just arrived from Mexico, who likely can't speak English, just wanders around and finds a place to live and work, do you? It just magically happens for him once he evades the Border Patrol and finds himself safely on US soil? You don't think the people who smuggled them in aren't going to take steps to make sure they get their money back?

That's... incredibly naive. The troubles for most undocumented workers start after they arrive in the US, not during the trip as most people assume.
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#35 Sep 03 2015 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Also, don't you guys live like in Chicago? I don't know where Flea has worked during her career (or in what capacity at those various locations), but I somehow suspect that the issues that immigration enforcement folks deal with vary pretty dramatically based on where you're working. The kinds of problems I'm talking about don't tend to wander more than a few hundred miles north of the US/Mexico border.

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gbaji wrote:
Also, don't you guys live like in Chicago? I don't know where Flea has worked during her career (or in what capacity at those various locations), but I somehow suspect that the issues that immigration enforcement folks deal with vary pretty dramatically based on where you're working. The kinds of problems I'm talking about don't tend to wander more than a few hundred miles north of the US/Mexico border.

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And? Not sure what issue you have with my post. Unless you actually do believe that the immigration issues faced in Chicago are identical (heck, even more than vaguely similar) to those faced in San Diego? Cause that seems like a pretty dumb thing to believe. I'm just asking if Flea has any experience working in immigration enforcement in a location a bit closer to the US/Mexico border. I don't think that's an unreasonable question to ask.
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gbaji wrote:
How many undocumented aliens entering via our southern border are just happily skipping around working in the land of the free and sending money back to their families in Mexico versus how many are trapped with a debt to the cartel that smuggled them in

Isn't this something you should support? As in... "how many?" Yes, disagreement that this is a majority or even a significant minority (say, within 30%). The majority, beyond the majority, are coming in the good ole fashioned ways. No argument that immigration reform would help this but the GOP isn't actually concerned with "reform" so people trapped in bad situations are less likely to seek help since the response is "You're in here illegally so you're just like an axe murdering child rapist!"

Be that as it may, the number of illegal immigrants entering the US is somewhere around 350,000 annually. The number of people trafficked into the US each year is around 15,000. I hired an illegal alien from a drug lord to do the math and he told that that it comes out to less than 5% of the undocumented immigrants being trafficked (and that number includes all trafficked immigrants such as those from Africa, Russia or Eastern Europe).
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That's... incredibly naive.

An ignorant guy saying someone is "naive" isn't really all that cutting.
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#38 Sep 03 2015 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
An ignorant guy saying someone is "naive" isn't really all that cutting.
What if he's also an axe murdering child rapist as well?
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#39 Sep 03 2015 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
An ignorant guy saying someone is "naive" isn't really all that cutting.
What if he's also an axe murdering child rapist as well?


That's a horrible thing to say!

Who would murder an innocent axe?
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#40 Sep 04 2015 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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A jealous lumberjack?
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#41 Sep 04 2015 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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So... Dexter?
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#42 Sep 04 2015 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Probably. We can also eliminate Michael Palin as a suspect since he just sleeps all night and works all day.
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#43 Sep 04 2015 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
You don't seriously think that someone who just arrived from Mexico, who likely can't speak English, just wanders around and finds a place to live and work, do you?

I gotta say, this line is just bizarre. How much straw did you consume typing it?

No, obviously people coming into the country don't just wander the countryside like nomads until the find a spot to live. People coming into the country generally have an idea where their fellow expatriate countrymen live and -- surprise! -- go to those same locations. This is kinda the whole fucking concept behind ethnic neighborhoods and has been since the era of colonization. Guess what? Early Dutch settlers didn't wander lost and confused on down to Spanish Florida either.

You think Mexicans entering the nation are unaware of where the major Mexican populations are in the US where they can find people who speak their language and share their culture? Or where their friends and family have wound up? They have no clue which cities and towns have the resources and network to help them get established? This is an argument you were trying to make? For real?

Edited, Sep 4th 2015 10:42am by Jophiel
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#44 Sep 04 2015 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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The larger issue is whether or not federal law should be selectively applied. And if federal law is beholden to political agenda only, then we're all screwed. Selective prosecution or prosecutorial direction, it's simply a matter of whose oxen are gored.

Remember, it's legal when they say it's legal.
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#45 Sep 04 2015 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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I see the problem of contemporary illegal immigration and amnesty in forms more akin to those of emancipation and indentured servitude, but in a subtle and impressionistic way. It's certainly not legalistic and it's self-contradictory.

edited because grammer.

Edited, Sep 4th 2015 12:50pm by Trappin
#46 Sep 04 2015 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Trappin wrote:
Remember, it's legal when they say it's legal.
Where've you been the last all of human existence?
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#47 Sep 04 2015 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Being a glib wiseass may earn you respect here with imaginary internet friends, but it don't mean jack-s to me.
#48 Sep 04 2015 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Trappin wrote:
Being a glib wiseass may earn you respect here with imaginary internet friends, but it don't mean jack-s to me.
Dear me, I may have to medicate myself due to the sheer sadness I feel at not earning your respect. I'm ever so sorry for not kissing your toesies to absolutely honor you and your generic childish platitudes you've dinned to honor us with.
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#49 Sep 04 2015 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Still a glib wiseass.
#50 Sep 04 2015 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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Trappin wrote:
Still a glib wiseass.
Here's your response.
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