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#127 Sep 29 2015 at 2:06 AM Rating: Good
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It looked like a bomb. It was a device that, if found unattended, someone would reasonably mistake for a bomb. .....It was because they were aware that this same device, in a very slightly different context, could very easily (almost certainly in fact) be mistaken for a bomb.
"Left unattended" is not "a slightly different context" then "carrying it around". It is the opposite of "carrying it around".

Maybe some ESL student can tutor you in how your native language works? Just a thought.

Edited, Sep 29th 2015 2:27am by Bijou
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The only "real issue" is the massive overreaction of school and police that arrested a kid for a clock. One that they knew was a clock and no one at all thought it was a bomb even if it was a "jumble".

And you're still leaving out the key phrase "looked like".

In the same sense that numerous things "look like" a bomb. Hell, as previously noted, people thought a lunchbox "looked like" a bomb to the point that they actually reacted as though it was a bomb. Should we arrest every student with a lunchbox?
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It was a device that, if found unattended, someone would reasonably mistake for a bomb

As evidenced by its zero-for-five record in making people think it was a bomb. You and I apparently own different dictionaries when looking up the word "reasonable". You know what would be great evidence that someone would reasonably mistake this for a bomb? Someone mistaking it for a bomb.
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That is what he was arrested for

So he was arrested for something that's not a crime? And you have no problem with that. Well, that's interesting.
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As opposed to the far more massive overreaction...

Did anyone get arrested when this kid got some new toys? Was anyone cuffed? Printed? Pressed to give a false confession?

No? Well, then... no. Not "as opposed to" because the two reactions are leagues apart and trying to compare them to justify the reaction of the school and police is just pathetic.
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You're the one who started linking to pictures of kit clocks to try to prove how normal his was (and by extension how unreasonable the cops were), and now that that's backfired

Backfired? Oh, you must think I'm really upset that you keep driving to the well of Fallacy of Appeal to Popularity and drawing out big buckets of "Everyone agrees with ME!!!" Shit, man, I'm sorry. I never took the time to say that I was ignoring your fallacious arguments. That one's on me.

No, it still looks like a clock. Also, I linked to a picture of a kit clock to show that it actually looks more "bomb like" (scary wires!) and has the added benefit of being a kit so people like you stop flipping out over how non-sciencey his clock was. Try and keep up.
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The difference is that I'm not discounting the possibility

"I'm just asking questions, man!" Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 29th 2015 3:19am by Jophiel
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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It looked like a bomb. It was a device that, if found unattended, someone would reasonably mistake for a bomb. .....It was because they were aware that this same device, in a very slightly different context, could very easily (almost certainly in fact) be mistaken for a bomb.
"Left unattended" is not "a slightly different context" then "carrying it around". It is the opposite of "carrying it around".

Maybe some ESL student can tutor you in how your native language works? Just a thought.

Maybe some ESL student can teach you how board code and quoting works Smiley: mad
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#130 Sep 29 2015 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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It looked like a bomb. It was a device that, if found unattended, someone would reasonably mistake for a bomb. .....It was because they were aware that this same device, in a very slightly different context, could very easily (almost certainly in fact) be mistaken for a bomb.
"Left unattended" is not "a slightly different context" then "carrying it around". It is the opposite of "carrying it around".

Maybe some ESL student can tutor you in how your native language works? Just a thought.

Maybe some ESL student can teach you how board code and quoting works Smiley: mad
Maybe I can't see what the hell I'm doing. Smiley: mad









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#131 Sep 29 2015 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Just insisting more and more loudly isn't going to make your claim correct.
Do you not understand how patterns work or do you think you're the only one in the world that does?
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Just make up a story, push it out to enough social media to create an uproar as quickly as possible, and count on the fact that once an uproar is created, those who are emotionally invested in the story will fight tooth and nail against any facts or objective interpretation later (just as you are doing here).
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The pattern is edited videos being released against organizations this guy doesn't like. There is no pattern about wrongdoing.
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#133 Sep 29 2015 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I were going to make a fake bomb, I would include something that looks like some kind of explosives.
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There was a silica gel packet that some enterprising people were trying to pass off as the "fake explosive".

Personally, I think he should have gone for a packet of hot dogs. Then it could have been a proper lunchbox bomb.
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#135 Sep 29 2015 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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At the very least a wad of Silly Putty. Something! C'mon, put yer back into it, cupcake.
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Seriously. This is the most half-assed hoax bomb ever. He should have just brought a bowling ball with a rope stuffed in the hole.
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#137 Sep 29 2015 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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If the rope were orange on the end it would TOTALLY LOOK LIKE A BOMB.
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I know what a bomb looks like. I've extensively studied Tom & Jerry, Bugs Bunny and that one Top Cat where Benny joins an Islamic terror cell.
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#140 Sep 29 2015 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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Have the conspiracy theorists explained away how the same school evacuated everyone in 2011 over a birthday present yet didn't react at all to this totally looks like a bomb to 99% of everyone in the multiverse?
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Maybe that false alarm taught them not to really give a shit about bombs any longer.

"Eh, we'll all just stand around it until the cops get here. How long? I dunno... let's check this clock."
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#142 Sep 29 2015 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking of schools, according to The American Center for Law and Justice in Nashville, TN, teaching kids other religions is indoctrination and against their freedom of religion.
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#143 Sep 29 2015 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I just found out lat night at Meet the Staff & Teachers that they will be working on Ancient Greece and Greek Mythology this year.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!
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#144 Sep 30 2015 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Schools already skim over some of the details like how Christmas was illegal in parts of the colonies for a while in the 1600s, so it probably won't be long until they skip anything negative like the witch hunts and start pretending the founding fathers first order of business was finding a tree to decorate and sing songs of merriment
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so it probably won't be long until they skip anything negative like the witch hunts and start pretending the founding fathers first order of business was finding a tree to decorate and sing songs of merriment
You guys are moving awfully slow.That was our curriculum 30 years ago.
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Canada has founding fathers? I thought you guys were just a bunch of Frenchmen and rejected Vikings who got traded off to the King of England because no one actually needs more snow and moose.
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Canada has founding fathers? I thought you guys were just a bunch of Frenchmen and rejected Vikings who got traded off to the King of England because no one actually needs more snow and moose.
Canadian history is boring, as it always involves Frenchman, so we learn about your history instead.
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#148 Sep 30 2015 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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That's got to suck when we change it every few years. Right now we're slowly erasing the 1960s.
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#149 Oct 21 2015 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Minor update about the clock kid.

He is now skidaddling with his family to Qatar. Ignore the source. Main portion of the news is true.

The real question is whether his dad was really big enough of a **** to gamble his son's future as a felon for his own ends.

For the record, this does not make actions of the school officials any better. I am just sayin'.
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#150 Oct 21 2015 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know if it was posted already, but apparently the kid's dad ran for President of Sudan. Even if he didn't win he knows how to work political and media influence in his favor.

Edited, Oct 21st 2015 10:23pm by Shaowstrike
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#151 Oct 22 2015 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I guess it's pretty amusing he feels his family is safer in a sharia law country than this one.
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