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#1177 Jul 29 2016 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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You'd think by now we'd be voting for government officials the same way we vote for our favorite singers on American Idol or whatever it is people are watching these days.
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#1178 Jul 30 2016 at 12:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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We'd probably want to wait for a week without another Russian hacking report before making the push for online voting.
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#1179 Jul 30 2016 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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Republicans would never allow it. Too many angry old white dudes can't use the internet.
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#1180 Aug 01 2016 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not old. Get off my lawn. Smiley: mad
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#1181 Aug 01 2016 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Trump sure knows how to take a terrible story and stretch it for a week...
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#1182 Aug 01 2016 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Which story?
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#1183 Aug 01 2016 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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#1184 Aug 01 2016 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Joke or not, "deliberately ridiculous extremes" is usually not a behavioUr/style one wants in a candidate for President of these United States, amirite?


When the other side is being deliberately ridiculous in their accusations, then yeah, I think that mocking them by taking it to an even more ridiculous extreme is not only funny, but appropriate. It was funny watching all those media types taking what was obviously a joke and reporting on it as though it was serious. And I'm sure that in their own echo chamber they thought that was a great way to go to diffuse things, but out in the real world, it just made them (and all the Democrats who jumped on it), look like a big old band of idiots.

Say what you will of Trump, but he's actually doing a good job turning the usual media narrative on its head. Usually, it's the Dems who manage to find ways to mock conservatives for taking things too seriously and looking like they "just don't get it". This time, it's the other way around. I did love the spin on this this weekend though. The prevailing theme seemed to be that this somehow made the Dems look like they were stronger on national defense or something. Which, again, may work inside their own echo chamber, but I don't think is survives much past that point.
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#1185 Aug 01 2016 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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The 538pocolypse has passed, and the Way Too Early But Whatever Here's A Predicted Outcome now has Clinton back in the "lead". To whomever was holding them, please release Nate Silver's loved ones.
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#1186 Aug 01 2016 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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By pretty much any measure, DNC was a better built event. Better speakers, better production, speeches praised by both ends of the spectrum, better message. No idea yet if it'll matter but it was four nights worth watching.


Was anyone doubting that the Dems would make up for their lack of resonating message with a really really nice facade? Kinda what I've been talking about for the last week. Dazzle people with pretty pictures, emotion laden rhetoric, and big name celebrities, and hope no one notices that your "change candidate" looks an awful lot like the status quo and still has no answers for the current crop of problems both domestic and abroad.

Biggest job creation project since WW2? Really? That's her big selling point? So we're back to great depression era methods now? Way to sell the whole "things are going great!" claim there guys!
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#1187 Aug 01 2016 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, no one was doubting the Dems would put on a good convention. The surprise was on how shabby the GOP convention looked in comparison after Trump's million claims of how great it would be and its star power. I mean, the guy should at least know how to run a television show, right?
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#1188 Aug 01 2016 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
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#1189 Aug 01 2016 at 5:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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The 538pocolypse has passed, and the Way Too Early But Whatever Here's A Predicted Outcome now has Clinton back in the "lead". To whomever was holding them, please release Nate Silver's loved ones.
Not sure what the 538 angle is here; multiple polls taken Friday-Sun (post convention) are giving Clinton a sizable bump. Silver just crunches them.

Probably worth waiting a week or so and seeing where they are then, of course.


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#1190 Aug 01 2016 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Trump signs a pledge to crack down on internet ****. If there was ever a reason not to vote him, this is it.
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#1191 Aug 01 2016 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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No, no one was doubting the Dems would put on a good convention. The surprise was on how shabby the GOP convention looked in comparison after Trump's million claims of how great it would be and its star power. I mean, the guy should at least know how to run a television show, right?


I'm not sure how you're defining "shabby" here. I get that this may be the perception that gets pushed around in liberal circles, and perhaps even in the political-media, but for the average person at home? They see a stage, with a podium, and a screen, and maybe some decorations on it, and a person giving a speech. Not much else goes on during prime time coverage, so unless you're literally arguing that the stage was shabby or something, I'm not seeing it.

The behind the scenes stuff only matters to those who are physically there, or those actively following the news coverage on 24 hour news channels. So "shabby" doesn't really have any impact on the people who matter (mostly voters who only tune in for the major TV covered events). The biggest difference IMO was the clear effort by the DNC to put as much "star power" as possible on the stage. Which looked great, and certainly wowed people. But it also does kinda step right into the narrative that Clinton is all about perception, but not reality. Why put on such a show unless you are worried that people might not think so well of you if the spotlight is just on you.

That was another interesting takeaway IMO. The RNC was pretty much about Trump and just Trump. And while the liberals made a big deal about the whole "no prominent folks in the GOP want to be there" bit, it also meant that the audience at home saw Trump. The DNC was about everyone *except* Hillary Clinton. In an odd way, it also may have hurt her (although it looks like she got a modest bounce, so maybe not), in that she basically had to follow a whole list of *really* good speakers. She looked kinda ho-hum after the previous two nights where the main attraction was Bill Clinton and Obama, both incredibly good speakers. She did "ok", but not great, and again, following those two, it made her look kinda like the third string choice.

Which, I suppose, is why they're going with a "make Trump look bad", rather than a "make Clinton look good" approach. Probably not a bad choice either. I'm just not sure that it will hold up for 100 days.
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Wow, so that's what desperate spinning looks like Smiley: laugh

Rousing success. In fact, it's the first convention Gallup has ever polled where more people said they were less likely to vote for the candidate as a result.
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#1193 Aug 01 2016 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
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Obvious trolling. No one can be that devoted. Lifelong GOP candidates are publicly shunning Trump.
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Not sure what the 538 angle is here; multiple polls taken Friday-Sun (post convention) are giving Clinton a sizable bump. Silver just crunches them.

The 538 election predictor had Trump as the favorite right after the RNC concluded, and liberal sites were modestly alarmed.
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#1195 Aug 01 2016 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, they wouldn't be Salon if they weren't in a liberal clickbait panic about something. I think most brilliantly intelligent people understood that dithering about polls between conventions was pretty dumb.
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#1196 Aug 01 2016 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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Yep, we'll see where it sits in a few weeks.
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Obvious trolling. No one can be that devoted. Lifelong GOP candidates are publicly shunning Trump.

All part of the plan. See, Trump bragging about how amazing his convention would be and then presenting Newt Gingrich, Chachi and a soap opera actress turned avocado farmer was all a cunning plan to show how much America loves Trump by putting him and every member of his extended family on stage to fill time. Clinton fell right into his trap by having actual presidents and celebrities and people you've heard of speaking.
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#1198 Aug 02 2016 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Which, I suppose, is why they're going with a "make Trump look bad", rather than a "make Clinton look good" approach.
Yes, it's the liberals making Trump look bad. Not, you know, Trump himself.
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#1199 Aug 02 2016 at 8:01 AM Rating: Default
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putting him and every member of his extended family on stage to fill time.
Did you see the meme with Trump and his family asking what if that were Sen. Obama on stage with his children from three different wives? The double standard is real.

There's a video out there with one of President Obama's daughters dancing in a two piece. Normal red meat, but kind of hard to say anything when you have nude/l3sbian pictures of the potential first wife hitting front covers.
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#1201 Aug 02 2016 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Children dancing? Well, no wonder Trump insists the world is ending.
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