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#502 Dec 16 2015 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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If all the coverage of it is to be believed, it's exciting news that he's finally going through puberty.
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I'd heard glancing mentions of it but never bothered to go investigate what it looked like. But his photo was in an article about the budget deal.

Full disclosure: I grow facial hair fairly slowly and then it comes in half reddish and (these days) half silver despite my dirty blonde hair. I look like I stole an elderly Viking's beard. I deal with this by not growing a shitty looking beard.
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I'd heard glancing mentions of it but never bothered to go investigate what it looked like. But his photo was in an article about the budget deal.

Full disclosure: I grow facial hair fairly slowly and then it comes in half reddish and (these days) half silver despite my dirty blonde hair. I look like I stole an elderly Viking's beard. I deal with this by not growing a shitty looking beard.

I tend to look like a coppery version of Gary Johnston's Muslim make-up in Team America, but can keep a goatee rather nicely.
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I shave at seven in the morning and have a five o'clock shadow two hours early. Got me into a lot of trouble in boot camp.
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#506 Dec 16 2015 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes. Yes. Trump is like Obama Smiley: rolleyes


In that he's inexperienced politically, especially on foreign policy, has tons of theories that he's sure will work (but wont), is arrogant, confrontational, refuses to compromise, leaps to conclusions (often very wrong) before facts are in, and at the end of the day, doesn't have a clue what he's doing but surrounds himself with people who cheer lead him so he doesn't have to face criticism? Yeah. Very very similar. Both men are somewhat scary because of their ideas themselves, but a lot more scary because they seem to honestly believe that they are good ideas.

I think liberals need to understand that what they think of Trump is very similar to how conservatives think of Obama. He's just as much of a joke candidate that we sit around wondering how the heck got to where he is and then wonder about the sanity and intelligence of those who support him.

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#507 Dec 16 2015 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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God, I hope Trump wins the nomination just to watch Gbaji's three-sixty to what an awesome guy Trump is.
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#508 Dec 16 2015 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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That'd be a 180, not 360.

I thought you'd be happier to see the Dems just given a free Presidency.
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I was using that Common Core New Math Smiley: glare
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#510 Dec 16 2015 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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Depends when you start the circle I guess. 180 for this news cycle. 360 if we include that stretch where Trump was still quite the Scotsman and sending interns to Hawaii for that Kenyan birth certificate.
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#511 Dec 17 2015 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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Ted Cruz's war strategy against ISIS is to win and for them to lose, by targeting them, with selective carpet bombing that somehow hits them but not anyone else. Trump on the other hand says nothing in our country works, which I guess is kind of true because if our political system worked these clowns wouldn't be anywhere near these debates.
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Ted Cruz's war strategy against ISIS is to win and for them to lose

In that case, I'm voting for Trump because he's a winner and he wins things; he's going to win this so much it will just be awesome. Plus, I bet Cruz is a low energy sort of guy.
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#513 Dec 17 2015 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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Ted Cruz's war strategy against ISIS is to win and for them to lose

In that case, I'm voting for Trump because he's a winner and he wins things; he's going to win this so much it will just be awesome. Plus, I bet Cruz is a low energy sort of guy.


Did he catch the Jeb?
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#514 Dec 18 2015 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know what they say, a Trump in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
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#515 Dec 18 2015 at 3:42 PM Rating: Default
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Gbaji wrote:
leaps to conclusions (often very wrong) before facts are in
I'm not denying this, but can you provide an example? I can't think of situation where this would apply.
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Fox News poll of likely Republican voters finds Trump at 39% with a 21 point lead over his nearest rival (Cruz at 18%).

Man, Fox is asking a whole lot of secret Democrats what they think. And their filter process must be complete ass since they're only asking total non-voters in their poll of likely Republican voters.
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#517 Dec 19 2015 at 12:23 PM Rating: Default
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Well, apparently 30% of Republican voters support bombing Agrabah (the fictional place in Aladdin).
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I could agree to that. That place was a hole.
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Gbaji wrote:
leaps to conclusions (often very wrong) before facts are in
I'm not denying this, but can you provide an example? I can't think of situation where this would apply.


With Obama? Well, right out of the gate (haha!), there's the whole "the police acted badly" statement made with regard to Harvard professor Gates. A statement made absent facts, and completely incorrect (they behaved exactly as they should have, and it was the professor who acted badly).

There's his labeling of Trevon Martin as someone who would be just like his son if he had one. Well, before the facts came out that this supposedly nice innocent kid wasn't nearly so nice after all.

He was at least a bit less blatant when it came to Ferguson, but he (and others in his administration) tended to use language that encouraged protest and violence rather than that which might have actually calmed things down. Um... But he's had an alarmingly regular trend of automatically picking a "side" based on the skin color of those involved, as illustrated by these first thee examples.

Um... Then there's the whole Benghazi thing, which while he may have gotten smart enough to stay out of directly, he still managed to have his surrogates make false statements about the attack, and the perpetuate them later, and he himself failed to clearly correct things until very very long after he should have.

His statements about the Egypt protests being "democracy in action", despite the fact that there's nothing democratic about what happened. Ok. Less "leaping to conclusions" and more "painting something as something it's not", but still. The point is that he was declaring the process to be a good thing before he knew what the outcome was going to be, or who would take control after the government was overthrown. And, as it turned out, the folks who gained control were not great people we wanted in place.

I could make a similar comment about his actions and statements with regard to Libya in general. This leads into the Benghazi issue, but was ultimately based on him declaring Libya to be a success (in contrast to Bush's supposed failure in Iraq), well before the facts were in. So, we could call this leaping to a conclusion (or maybe just wishful thinking) before having all the facts. And this one cost 4 lives.

Maybe not perfect examples, but he consistently uses language designed to downplay any terrorist association when it's some kind of violence associated with Islam, but has no problem perpetuating the idea that any violence associated with white Americans must be some form of domestic terrorism. And that's when he isn't jumping right to the gun control angle. See the recent shooting by the Muslim couple for an example of this. I watched his press release just a couple hours after the attack and was amazed at how willing he was to jump on the "mass shooting needs gun control" angle well before the facts were in. And, once again, it turned out that he was wrong. It was a planned act of terrorism, not a mass shooting by some crazy gun nuts.


The funny thing about Obama's statements like this is that once he makes them, when they turn out to be wrong, the media, rather than jumping on him for it (because they're mostly liberal and thus "on his side"), tends to provide cover. They downplay the reality and ignore the false statement's he made. He basically puts out these statements that are so bold and so impossible to re-interpret that the media either has to call him a liar, or just ignore it. And they repeatedly choose to just ignore it. Which speaks volumes about media bias itself.

A gross example of this was Candy Crowley incorrectly fact checking for Obama in the second debate in 2012. Romney was correct. Obama had not called Benghazi a planned terrorist attack and by his silence had tacitly allowed the incorrect statements made by his own state department to stand as the (completely false) "official record" in the eyes of most media consumers. But Crowley, in what was a bizarre breach of the role of a debate moderator, chose to step into the exchange, declare that Obama had done this and Romney was wrong. Thus providing Obama both cover for the issue itself *and* providing cover for the false cover. If Obama had countered Romney, he could be fact checked and shown to have made a false statement in the debate to the American people. But if Crowley does it, Obama gets the same benefit of the "win" in the debate itself, but doesn't suffer any followup, since he didn't actually say anything false in the debate.


I could probably find many more examples. Obama has a terrible habit of jumping onto events and applying a politically useful narrative to them, even when the facts don't fit that narrative. And he tends to do this well before those facts are known, presumably to set said narrative early and make it difficult for the truth to be revealed (because then the media would have to say that Obama was wrong), once the facts are known.


My point is that Trump has a similar failing. He tends to shoot off his mouth, making broad declarations about things before he knows the facts about them. Which leads to some hilarious backpedaling sometimes, or in others he takes the same "challenge the audience to call him a liar" take that Obama uses. I find this to be a bad habit regardless of which party affiliation the person has.
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Fox News poll of likely Republican voters finds Trump at 39% with a 21 point lead over his nearest rival (Cruz at 18%).

Man, Fox is asking a whole lot of secret Democrats what they think. And their filter process must be complete ass since they're only asking total non-voters in their poll of likely Republican voters.


You do realize that roughly 30% of Fox viewers identify themselves as Democrats, right? I know that you're used to the much more viewer biased news sources like CNN and MSNBC, but ironically, Fox is the most broadly viewed news source (at least for cable news stations). So yeah, it's not hard to imagine that a lot of people participating in a Fox poll would be Fox viewers, and a good percentage of them will be Democrats, at least some of which might find it amusing to put Trump down as their preferred candidate.

I'd have to know the details of the polling methodology though. My understanding is that Fox polls are pretty inaccurate (which is why I don't believe I've ever used one here), because they aren't scientific polls. They're online polls and have no control in place. So unless this poll was conducted differently (and I'm not assuming all Fox polls are of the "log in and vote on the website" variety), I'd put a huge grain of salt on this one.

And I'll point out (for like the 5th time), that there isn't a super strong correlation between people who say they'll vote in a primary and those who actually do vote. As I believe I pointed out earlier this correlation is very weak in elections like this one (many candidates with no incumbent). Tons more people say they plan on voting than actually do. And those people tend to be the ones supporting the oddball or "outside" candidates. What tends to happen is that we all talk about these candidates, and the polls support them, and then come voting day, the media stands around scratching its head and writing stories theorizing about why the polling data was so wrong.

I'd dig up the article I ran into talking about that, but I honestly don't feel like it's worth my effort. Feel free to do your own research if you want (or not, it's your choice). Point being that Trump has very little support among rank and file GOP sources. That includes regular GOP voters and various GOP PACs. The only reason he's still even in the running is because he's wealthy enough to stay in it despite this lack of support. Giving an answer to a pollster on the phone (or clicking on a web poll) doesn't cost much time or money. You have to take that fact into consideration here.

Edited, Jan 4th 2016 7:02pm by gbaji
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Fox News poll of likely Republican voters finds Trump at 39% with a 21 point lead over his nearest rival (Cruz at 18%).

Man, Fox is asking a whole lot of secret Democrats what they think. And their filter process must be complete ass since they're only asking total non-voters in their poll of likely Republican voters.


You do realize that roughly 30% of Fox viewers identify themselves as Democrats, right? I know that you're used to the much more viewer biased news sources like CNN and MSNBC, but ironically, Fox is the most broadly viewed news source (at least for cable news stations). So yeah, it's not hard to imagine that a lot of people participating in a Fox poll would be Fox viewers, and a good percentage of them will be Democrats, at least some of which might find it amusing to put Trump down as their preferred candidate.

I'd have to know the details of the polling methodology though. My understanding is that Fox polls are pretty inaccurate (which is why I don't believe I've ever used one here), because they aren't scientific polls. They're online polls and have no control in place. So unless this poll was conducted differently (and I'm not assuming all Fox polls are of the "log in and vote on the website" variety), I'd put a huge grain of salt on this one.

And I'll point out (for like the 5th time), that there isn't a super strong correlation between people who say they'll vote in a primary and those who actually do vote. As I believe I pointed out earlier this correlation is very weak in elections like this one (many candidates with no incumbent). Tons more people say they plan on voting than actually do. And those people tend to be the ones supporting the oddball or "outside" candidates. What tends to happen is that we all talk about these candidates, and the polls support them, and then come voting day, the media stands around scratching its head and writing stories theorizing about why the polling data was so wrong.

I'd dig up the article I ran into talking about that, but I honestly don't feel like it's worth my effort. Feel free to do your own research if you want (or not, it's your choice). Point being that Trump has very little support among rank and file GOP sources. That includes regular GOP voters and various GOP PACs. The only reason he's still even in the running is because he's wealthy enough to stay in it despite this lack of support. Giving an answer to a pollster on the phone (or clicking on a web poll) doesn't cost much time or money. You have to take that fact into consideration here.

Edited, Jan 4th 2016 7:02pm by gbaji


Are you including local Fox stations in the 30%?
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You do realize that roughly 30% of Fox viewers identify themselves as Democrats, right?

So what? What does that have to do with Fox's partisan identification and likely voter screens? Do you always just grab for any tenuous thread to insist that anything is wrong that threatens your view? Don't bother answering that.
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Haha... no.

You lecturing anyone about polling is hilarious. Obama needs to be up by a billion-thousand percent or else he's doooooooomed!

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My understanding is that Fox polls are pretty inaccurate (which is why I don't believe I've ever used one here), because they aren't scientific polls. They're online polls and have no control in place.
Hence your reliance on the Heritage Foundations' totally unbiased sources.
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Trump is so much a liberal and unsupported by the GOP that they spent months defending his decision to send interns to Hawaii to look for Kenyan birth certificates. Wait ...
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