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#1402 Aug 29 2016 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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**** it cost him the New York mayoral election, you think he doesn't have self control issues?
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#1403 Aug 29 2016 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure if this belongs here, or not. I just thought it was interesting.
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#1404 Aug 29 2016 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Black people aren't smart enough to commit fraud, silly.
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#1405 Aug 29 2016 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure if this belongs here, or not. I just thought it was interesting.


Literally 2 people in the entire town were black. (out of a population of 480)

Random chance alone suggests that there is a 87.873% chance to not select either of the black residents. (Yes, I did the math.)

This is news for the statistically challenged.
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#1406 Aug 29 2016 at 11:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll agree that the story is sorta meaningless but, let's be honest, people who go on about food stamp (or other forms of welfare) fraud aren't assuming a random distribution of criminals across racial lines.
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#1407 Aug 30 2016 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently in Louisiana there is/was a robocall going out for Trump support by the Senate candidate David Duke.
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#1408 Aug 31 2016 at 8:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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At least she was clean?
AP wrote:
Police say a woman walked into U.S. Rep. Danny Davis' office on Chicago's West Side, drank out of a bottle of hand sanitizer, poured the sanitizer over herself and set herself on fire with a lighter.
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Staff responded with a fire extinguisher, but the woman ran out while still on fire.
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#1409 Aug 31 2016 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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I guess the 99.9% of the germs hand sanitizer is said to kill just wasn't clean enough?
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#1410 Aug 31 2016 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
At least she was clean?
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Police say a woman walked into U.S. Rep. Danny Davis' office on Chicago's West Side, drank out of a bottle of hand sanitizer, poured the sanitizer over herself and set herself on fire with a lighter.
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Staff responded with a fire extinguisher, but the woman ran out while still on fire.
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What the **** is wrong with people!? Smiley: oyvey
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#1411 Aug 31 2016 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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Trump is going to Mexico to tell their President he's a rapist and to pay for a wall, and then going to Arizona to talk about it. Should be fun to hear.
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#1412 Aug 31 2016 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Trump is going to Mexico to tell their President he's a rapist and to pay for a wall, and then going to Arizona to talk about it. Should be fun to hear.
See post #1410.

Definitely will be watching to see how he approaches it, and the inevitable fallout. Not sure if it's curiosity or just rubbernecking at this point. Either way it's at least worth popping a bag for.

Smiley: popcorn

Edited, Aug 31st 2016 9:43am by someproteinguy
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Trump's new-new-new-new plan for immigration now sounds pretty much identical to the 2013 Senate plan -- border security, increased deportation of dangerous criminals/felons and amnesty for the rest (back taxes, etc) with a potential path to citizenship down the line.

Guess we'll see what he says later today.
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#1414 Aug 31 2016 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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If Trump proposes amnesty as part of the plan I'll be in danger of serious injury from falling off my chair laughing.
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#1415 Aug 31 2016 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Okay well they're now all spectacular and amazing people south of the border. I'm sure that'll cancel out calling them murderers and rapists. Suppose it's a step in the right direction at least. Smiley: rolleyes
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At press event after meeting, Trump says there was no discussion on who would pay for the wall. Pena says later that he told Trump first thing that Mexico would not pay for the wall.

Later, Pena spokesperson says "Trump didn't lie; Pena said that Mexico would not pay for the wall and there was no discussion about it" Smiley: laugh
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#1417 Aug 31 2016 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Double post, blah blah blah

Edited, Aug 31st 2016 7:42pm by Jophiel
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#1418 Aug 31 2016 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure if this belongs here, or not. I just thought it was interesting.


I suppose that's one word for it. Irrelevant would be another. People don't tend to form their opinions (or stereotypes even) based on single outlier cases like what percentage of people committing food stamp fraud were white in a very small town where the population is over 99% white. They might, however, form opinions based on statistics (oddly enough in the same article) like that 26% of food stamp recipients are black, while blacks make up only 13% of the population. You know... relevant stats.

It is a great example of reaching though. I mean... really reaching.


Oh. As to the Trump thing today. I think that those who have a hard on for the whole "he'll deport everyone on day one" and "he'll build a massive wall and make Mexico pay for it!" narrative will be all aflutter about Trump backpedaling (either because they're ****** he did, or they want others to be ****** that he did). But I think that for the average person sitting at home watching this, who doesn't actively follow politics, what they saw today is an image of Trump that doesn't match up with the scary stuff they keep hearing. Which will likely be a positive for him. They also saw him meeting directly with a foreign leader and acting presidential (well, to a degree). Which will also be a net positive for him.

What struck me is that for the last several weeks one of the main criticisms I've heard being talked about wasn't his specific positions on this thing or that thing, but whether he could behave well in a diplomatic setting. The fear being that he'd just start calling people names and ******* them off or something. This event seemed to be designed to counter that idea. And I think it worked. The pundits will go back and forth for days talking about whether he changed his position, how it'll affect his support among this group or that group, but in all likelihood the net effect will be positive for him. Most people (well, those on any sort of fence regarding Trump) weren't waiting for him to confirm a super hard line position, but rather hoping that he wasn't going to hold to it.

One event like this, where people see Trump directly interacting in this kind of environment, counters a whole lot of speculative talk about Trump. Doubly so among the casual voter population.


I also find it interesting that Trump is going after African American voters. Not sure if that will actually work. But his whole "Democrats are the ones who are hurting you" narrative should probably not be so quickly dismissed by liberal pundits. Of course, I'm a bit biased because it's a position I also hold, so maybe I see it as something (maybe one of the only things) that's an actual positive in Trump's platform and approach. I kinda wish someone not Trump would have the cajones to make that same argument. But it's one area that the GOP has a bad habit of just shying away from and effectively giving up those potential voters.

We'll see if it has any impact at all, but I did find it interesting. And it's certainly more interesting than the article linked above (see how I brought this post full circle?).
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#1419 Aug 31 2016 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh. And before I forget, I think the reason why Trump might just get away with this is that the Left has more or less cried wolf about the GOP for so long and in every election cycle that even though Trump does say crazy things, to those not actively following politics, all they hear is the claims about him, and not necessarily those things directly. Every GOP candidate for the last 20 years has been accused of wanting to do mass deportations as part of their immigration policy, and accused of being anti-immigrant, and hateful, and/or racist, and well every single negative that's being pointed at Trump now.

So for the person sitting at home, they're hearing the same negative rhetoric they always hear leveled at a GOP candidate. Trump obviously doesn't help with his own rhetoric, but I do think that an event like this goes a long way for a lot of people to make them think it's just the same old cries and not actually something to be concerned about. In an effort to reset himself to a more mainstream voter, I think he helped himself a lot. Which is kinda scary in and of itself. Seriously. Can we just start this whole election cycle over?
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#1420 Aug 31 2016 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Literally 2 people in the entire town were black. (out of a population of 480) etc. etc.

Yeesh, I wasn't planning on submitting it to the world council for immediate action. Just a piece of fluff for a chuckle.

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I just thought it was interesting.
I suppose that's one word for it.
That's the only word for it, unless you want to tell me what else I thought it was. I didn't say YOU would think it was interesting.
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#1421 Aug 31 2016 at 10:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
In an effort to reset himself to a more mainstream voter, I think he helped himself a lot

Well, until tonight's speech Smiley: laugh
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#1422 Sep 01 2016 at 3:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Every GOP candidate for the last 20 years has been accused of wanting to do mass deportations as part of their immigration policy, and accused of being anti-immigrant, and hateful, and/or racist, and well every single negative that's being pointed at Trump now.
The difference being that previously, the Left had to grab short clips, possibly taking things out to context to make those accusations. With Trump, they not only have the claims, they have him clarifying exactly what he meant which falls right in line with the claims.
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#1423 Sep 01 2016 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Gbaji wrote:
Every GOP candidate for the last 20 years has been accused of wanting to do mass deportations as part of their immigration policy, and accused of being anti-immigrant, and hateful, and/or racist, and well every single negative that's being pointed at Trump now.
I've heard this "interesting" argument. I would counter to say that it's not "crying wolf", but people being desensitized. Both parties use the same attacks every election year and the voter hears the same extremes from both sides every election year. Trump and his supporters claim that Sec. Clinton and President Obama want complete OPEN borders. Just come on over!!
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Oh. And before I forget, I think the reason why Trump might just get away with this is that the Left has more or less cried wolf about the GOP for so long...

Remember when you kept asking "How could Clinton not be winning by a million-thousand points against A SOCIALIST?????????????"

Yeah. Smiley: laugh
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#1425 Sep 01 2016 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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The difference being that previously, the Left had to grab short clips, possibly taking things out to context to make those accusations. With Trump, they not only have the claims, they have him clarifying exactly what he meant which falls right in line with the claims.
Multiple times, and at length. Smiley: laugh

I do like how he's now saying there's a demographic that somehow missed all that.
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Trump lost at least one member of his "National Hispanic Advisory Council" following last night's speech and several others have called Trump's immigration policy a scam and are planning on pulling out.

So, uh... great outreach.
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