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#78 Oct 15 2015 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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#80 Oct 15 2015 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah yeah, there is an awful long standing problem with illegal immigration. Just ask the Navajo.
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#81 Oct 15 2015 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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More illegal immigrants means more Democrat votes


Teaparty Logic. Hey, Stupid! they can't vote.

Actually more illegal immigrates means not having to hire people at a living wage.
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#82 Oct 15 2015 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Where are your vaunted powers of deduction? Surely you can sus out what sort of people might have the power to manipulate employment on a large scale? People who would not really be affected financially in doing so. People who can chose to spend on capital projects or not?


People who are as likely to be Democrats as Republicans? Those people?

Assuming you're speaking about business owners, are you seriously suggesting that they would deliberately choose to not hire people just to prove that Obama's economic recovery plan didn't work? How does that work? "I know! I'll intentionally slow down the growth of my own personal business just to prove a political point. That'll really show them!" Wouldn't a more likely explanation for low job creation rate be something like... oh, I don't know... because Obama's recovery plan included a number of disincentives to hiring new workers?

I know what you're thinking. "But the rich folks can just invest overseas or something, and be EVIL". Um... But half of all employment is from small businesses, not the big rich corporations I'm sure you're thinking of. Seems unlikely they'd hold off on hiring people just out of political spite. And the evil big corporations are, as I pointed out earlier, as likely to be run by Democrats as Republicans. They're not making business decisions based on politics. They're making it based on their bottom line and returns to their shareholders. If "invest overseas" earns them more money than "expand operations at home", that's what they'll do. And if that's in reaction to anything Obama did, it's not because they want to make Obama's policies look bad for the domestic economy, but because Obama's polices actually are bad for the domestic economy.


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Sure. I can do it. I'd prefer not to have to play 20 questions though. Heaven forbid you have a point to make and then actually make it.

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#83 Oct 15 2015 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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More illegal immigrants means more Democrat votes


Teaparty Logic. Hey, Stupid! they can't vote.


They can't legally work either. Yet they do. They can't legally own property in the US. Yet they do. They can't actually legally be in the country. Yet they are. You do understand that the exact same processes that allow them to illegally do all those other things, can also allow them to illegally vote, right? Doubly so when one side of our political system consistently blocks any attempts to verify voter registration roles, or require ID when voting, or frankly any other check that the person voting is actually legally allowed to do so.

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Actually more illegal immigrates means not having to hire people at a living wage.


Then why aren't Democrats up in arms about illegal immigration?
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I'd remark on Gbaji's question of "Why aren't Democrats up in arms about illegal immigration" but then I remembered him arguing at length that Republicans really care deeply about human trafficking and this is why they refuse to consider any immigration reform that doesn't begin and end with "30' high electric fence made out of alligators". And no one else cares -- only Republicans.
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Well, Huckabee is advocating indentured servitude for debtors, thieves, and illegal immigrants now, so we're saved, I reckon.
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Oh, that's right. 30' high fence made out of electric alligators and then those in the country are either rounded up into buses and deported as criminals or else we can eliminate minimum wage to "help" them by letting places employ them for $1.75/hr
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Jophiel wrote:
I'd remark on Gbaji's question of "Why aren't Democrats up in arms about illegal immigration" but then I remembered him arguing at length that Republicans really care deeply about human trafficking and this is why they refuse to consider any immigration reform that doesn't begin and end with "30' high electric fence made out of alligators". And no one else cares -- only Republicans.


Mentioned this before as well, if Republicans thought about illegal immigration as they do illegal guns in the streets, we would have a comprehension immigration plan because "there are too many of them to try to deal with them".
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I'd remark on Gbaji's question of "Why aren't Democrats up in arms about illegal immigration" but then...


You realized that it was a perfectly valid point to which you didn't have a response? If Democrats really cared that much about the plight of illegal immigrants being paid low wages, then they'd be doing everything in their power to find some way to legalize the status of these immigrants rather than doing things like creating sanctuary cities, a policy which seems designed merely to look the other way. So either you believe they are paid substandard wages because of their immigration status and don't have a problem with it (and arguably are encouraging it by support of sanctuary cities) or you don't believe they are paid substandard wages at all.

Or I suppose it could be that the degree to which they are paid substandard wage isn't sufficiently harmful in context (context being the economic conditions they left to come here) to be concerned about. But then, that would call into question objections to ideas of guest worker programs that allow for lower pay than US workers would normally be entitled to. I guess the point I'm making here is that the only difference between my proposed guest worker program and a sanctuary city is that mine actually legalizes the status of the immigrant. Both assume substandard pay (although I suppose mine at least puts a limit on how low it can be).

Or are you arguing that illegal immigrants are never paid substandard wages? I mean, you kinda have to pick a position here, right? Which is it?
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Mentioned this before as well, if Republicans thought about illegal immigration as they do illegal guns in the streets, we would have a comprehension immigration plan because "there are too many of them to try to deal with them".


I've read this like 5 times now, and even after accounting for the grammatical errors, I have no clue what you're trying to say. Did you mean to say "wouldn't have a comprehensive immigration plan". Because that would at least make some sense, despite it being completely incorrect. Republicans support legal gun rights, not illegal gun use. I get that this may be confusing for some people, but it really shouldn't be.

This may shock you, but I also support the idea of punishing people who drink and drive, while still being "pro-car" (in terms of transportation choices). Similarly, I'm all for private home ownership instead of renting, but I don't think people should operate meth labs in those private homes.

Guess what? We also support legal immigration. And despite that, in an amazing show of consistency on our part, we still oppose illegal immigration. Wow. Imagine that!
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#92 Oct 15 2015 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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... or else we can eliminate minimum wage to "help" them by letting places employ them for $1.75/hr


I'm sorry. Could you tell me the minimum wage that currently applies to folks illegally hiring illegal immigrant labor?
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No, Gbaji totally nailed it. Democrats haven't tried to do anything for or about illegal immigrants. Let's just pat him on the head and leave it at that.
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#95 Oct 15 2015 at 7:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think Gbaji was probably referring to you specifically Joph. What have you done for illegal immigrants lately!!???!??
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Not a thing. There are no illegal immigrants in the Chicago area so I don't have to worry about them.
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#98 Oct 15 2015 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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No, Gbaji totally nailed it. Democrats haven't tried to do anything for or about illegal immigrants. Let's just pat him on the head and leave it at that.


The solutions the Dems propose are similar to most solutions Dems propose: They treat the symptoms of the problem, but manage to keep the problem itself intact. It's almost like you guys want to have an underclass around to generate pity for. Just like you do for poor minorities, and any other suffering group we can marginalize and then claim to swoop in to "help" with their problems. Heaven forbid we provide a means for people to stand on their own two feet for once.
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Yup. Nailed it.
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#100 Oct 15 2015 at 8:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heaven forbid we provide a means for people to stand on their own two feet for once.
Send me a PM when the stockholders OK that plan.
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#101 Oct 16 2015 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Well, Huckabee is advocating indentured servitude for debtors, thieves, and illegal immigrants now, so we're saved, I reckon.
At least the reverend is finally advising biblical solutions.
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Not a thing. There are no illegal immigrants in the Chicago area so I don't have to worry about them.
Lucky for me, according to the last time this argument came up we found out that illegal immigrants only exist in San Diego.

Edited, Oct 16th 2015 11:01am by lolgaxe
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