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#1 Feb 07 2016 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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So I won't get involved in the other thread, because it's hundreds of pages long and people are are arguing about Hitler! Tell us across the pond, who do you think has the best chance of winning? Is it going to be Cruz v Clinton for sure or does anyone else have a look-in? It's interesting to see increasing inequality and the resulting struggle for the working classes playing out in different ways, much has it has over in the UK... though over here ultimately to it was to no effect :(
#2 Feb 07 2016 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's no love lost between Clinton and Sanders. I don't see either of them backing down or settling for a Cabinet post. I think it's going to be a horse race between them.

On the Republican side, I don't see the picture clarifying much at all. Rubio and Bush have both made serious missteps in what should have been breakout campaigns. Either of them could conceivably surge, but nothing so far has shown me that either of them is capable, unless someone is playing a deep and canny long game.

That leaves Trump as the populist candidate, and Cruz as the unlovable establishment devil you know. Pretty ironic for a narcissistic billionaire and a self-serving wannabe maverick, but there you go.

What it comes down to on both sides will be damaging revelations and slugging it out in character attacks. It's going to be a long, ugly year.
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#3 Feb 07 2016 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Speaking for the rest of the world: please can we just have Obama forever.
#4 Feb 07 2016 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Republican establishment really wants Rubio right now, mainly because none of the other GOP establishment guys are getting traction. Depends on how New Hampshire goes now but I could see him getting the nomination after a long messy fight. I don't see Cruz carrying it off. As the last week has helped show, the guy is pretty much disliked by everyone and has few allies even in his own party.

On the blue team, I don't see Clinton not getting the nomination short of her getting arrested our something. Which I don't think is going to happen. I'll be giving an unenthusiastic vote for HRC short of some exceptional change in events.
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#5 Feb 07 2016 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Chris Christie wrote:
"If Bernie can't beat Hillary in Iowa, where there are nothing but white liberal people, he ain't winning anyplace else. I'm telling you right here right now. He may win here Tuesday but you're getting Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side because Bernie Sanders maybe wins Minnesota,"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/new-hampshire-primary-2016-live-updates/2016/02/chris-christie-bernie-sanders-218830#ixzz3zVrswvI7
#6 Feb 07 2016 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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The one with the bigger black people.

Oh, thought this was going to be a Superbowl thread. Bernie is there just to fill news cycle air time, Trump and Cruz are there because with almost twenty years of fear mongering and obstructionist politics they're the logical conclusions. I'm just not going to vote.

Edited, Feb 7th 2016 2:51pm by lolgaxe
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#7 Feb 07 2016 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can say with confidence that Donald Trump is the president that the USA deserves.
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#8 Feb 07 2016 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Bernie is there just to fill news cycle air time, Trump and Cruz are there because with almost twenty years of fear mongering and obstructionist politics they're the logical conclusions
This.

However, I will say that there is enough diversity of candidates that you should theoretically align with at least one candidate. Whether or not they appear on the final ticket, is another story.
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Well, there's only 2.1 Democratic candidates so it's easy enough not to feel warmly about either of them.

Red team should have you covered though.
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I can say with confidence that Donald Trump is the president that the USA deserves.



I may be moving in with you. Just fair warning.
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#11 Feb 07 2016 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, Rubio has ONE thing to say, apparently:



Grace under pressure, right there.

Edited, Feb 7th 2016 3:57pm by Samira
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Photogenic Latino who mindlessly repeats what he's told by his handlers? Sounds like a GOP dream candidate!
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#13 Feb 07 2016 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Repeats...bzzzt.... repeats... bzzzt... repeats....
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I may be moving in with you. Just fair warning.


I'll have to turf the manticore out of the south wing.

Of course, we may well elect Boris Johnson, a kind of old money twist on the classic Trump, in a few years time. So you'll need a back-up country just in case.
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Well, there's only 2.1 Democratic candidates so it's easy enough not to feel warmly about either of them.
I thought the point one dropped after Iowa.
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So he did. I just assumed I wasn't hearing about him this week for the same reason I hadn't heard about him for the past ten weeks.
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#17 Feb 09 2016 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently, O'Malley is still on the ballot in NH, and did get like .3% of the votes. So there you go.

On the GOP side, it looks like Trump has won (not really a surprise here). Kasich in second at the moment. Which is kind of a surprise from a national point of view, but not so much from a "he's literally spent every dollar of his campaign to win votes in NH" pov. It looks like Bush gained the most from Rubio's gaff at the last debate, and is coming in a strong third. So... no closer really to figuring things out on that side at all. I think the big story will be about how this has basically given Bush some life back, when it was looking like he was going to be out of it completely.

Kasich is an interesting candidate, but I just don't see him having a large enough national appeal. Don't have anything really against him, but I've yet to hear him really say much other than "as governor of Ohio, I did blah blah blah". There's been a lot of talk about who will come out on top among the governors, and in this race, it looks like it's going to be Kasich. Again though, I'm not sure that propels him much going forward.

SC was always going to be a better barometer (it's the first high population state with a broader demographic than either Iowa or NH), but there was some hope that maybe a few would drop out from NH and make things more clear there. Looks like that's not going to happen now. Thanks to Christie for being an obnoxious twit, and Rubio for not sniffing out the trap and dealing with it properly. Then again, that's something you want to have happen during the nomination process, and not leading up to the general. If Rubio does recover from this, he'll know better how to manage that sort of debate trick. But in the meantime, it almost leaves us with Bush now being the leading mainstream candidate. Sigh.
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It's not a "debate trick" that Rubio couldn't think on his feet and break loose from his talking points. The first time maybe is a "gotcha" -- the next two unforced errors are just sloppy amateurish mistakes. Christie didn't make Rubio keep repeating the same lines verbatim; he just pointed it out.

Rubio was supposed to use the momentum from this state to push to win S. Carolina with the mainstream GOP backing him. He flubbed that and faceplanted, pretty much ruining his immediate chances. People were cautious about backing him before and no one is going to rush to do it now.

The bigger concern is Trump. New Hampshire was supposed to show him to be a paper tiger when his real support was far under his polling support. Instead, he's cleaning everyone's clocks at the polls.

Edited, Feb 9th 2016 7:49pm by Jophiel
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I never want to read another "teleprompter" comment again, I know that much.
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Is it time for Fiorina to go home yet?
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#21 Feb 10 2016 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Comrades have seen the light, it is time to line the fat ones against ze wall!
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Ignoring that Christie isn't a Jedi, Rubio short circuited again when talking about shoving things down his kids' throats during his stump speech yesterday morning, so I'd say he's not making much headway.
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#23 Feb 10 2016 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Comrades have seen the light, it is time to line the fat ones against ze wall!

Not yet, I wanna see Christie wreak more havok.
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It's not a "debate trick" that Rubio couldn't think on his feet and break loose from his talking points. The first time maybe is a "gotcha" -- the next two unforced errors are just sloppy amateurish mistakes. Christie didn't make Rubio keep repeating the same lines verbatim; he just pointed it out.

Rubio was supposed to use the momentum from this state to push to win S. Carolina with the mainstream GOP backing him. He flubbed that and faceplanted, pretty much ruining his immediate chances. People were cautious about backing him before and no one is going to rush to do it now.

The bigger concern is Trump. New Hampshire was supposed to show him to be a paper tiger when his real support was far under his polling support. Instead, he's cleaning everyone's clocks at the polls.

Edited, Feb 9th 2016 7:49pm by Jophiel
The worst part is that Christie pointed it out days before. He should have seen it coming.
#25 Feb 10 2016 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
What no comments on the wicked witch of the west? lol love watching that evil old hag meltdown.
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Fiorina dropped out, so if that's who you meant, there you go! Smiley: lol
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