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Bernie is winning the nomination race and here's whyFollow

#102 Mar 29 2016 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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It's a mighty big risk for the party.
About as risky as a zombie apocalypse starting Thursday.
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#103 Mar 29 2016 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless he breaks left/centric after winning the primaries and playing the missing chromosonians like simpletons and then banking on independants because the swing voter is the only bigger moron in this story than Republicans.

Look, I get that you have to rely on some pretty far-fetched hypothetical scenarios since the delegate math isn't going to work out. The problem is that those super delegates you're relying on aren't complete idiots who think that only Sanders can save us from a guy who'll do even worse with minorities than Romney managed to.
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#104 Mar 29 2016 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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His sole demographic is angry white dudes.
He beat Cruz and Rubio with Hispanics in Nevada.

Not that that's really saying anything.
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Yeah, with all thirty Hispanics who voted in the NV GOP caucuses.

You know what would help Sanders' case a million times more than direly predicting that Trump will clean up independent voters and make inroads with minorities in the general? Winning primary elections. Getting a majority of Democratic voters to vote for him instead of the woman they're currently supporting by a huge margin. He should try doing that.
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#106 Mar 29 2016 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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You know what would help Sanders' case a million times more than direly predicting that Trump will clean up independent voters and make inroads with minorities in the general?
Buddy Holly-esque plane crash scenario.
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#107 Mar 29 2016 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Trump will clean up independent voters and make inroads with minorities in the general?
Seriously the xenophobic things that man has said... If he can actually manage to flip flop on that in the general election and secure large numbers of minority votes I'll buy whatever book his campaign manager writes about it.
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#108 Mar 29 2016 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Clinton's base is the moderate/conservative democrats, who tend to be more religious, less interested in radical reforms, more pro interventionalism and more pro-stability etc.


How can you be pro intervention and pro stability? That's like being pro eating your cake and pro having it too.


Interventionalism in foreign policy, stability in domestic (eg. More of the same)
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#110 Mar 29 2016 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Sanders' supporters have been primarily white. Yes, there's minorities among them. So what? To use a historical example, if 90% of blacks vote for Obama, that still means one in ten (give or take) voted for Romney -- one-in-ten is hardly a unicorn. Out of the total black population (I'm too lazy to look up black voting age population) that would be 3.7mil people in the United States. But that one guy out of ten Tweeting a photo of himself still doesn't change the overall demographics of Romney's support.
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#112 Mar 29 2016 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sanders' supporters have been primarily white. Yes, there's minorities among them. So what? To use a historical example, if 90% of blacks vote for Obama, that still means one in ten (give or take) voted for Romney -- one-in-ten is hardly a unicorn. Out of the total black population (I'm too lazy to look up black voting age population) that would be 3.7mil people in the United States. But that one guy out of ten Tweeting a photo of himself still doesn't change the overall demographics of Romney's support.

Let's talk about how white Hawaii is, though. lol
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Sanders' supporters have been primarily white. Yes, there's minorities among them. So what? To use a historical example, if 90% of blacks vote for Obama, that still means one in ten (give or take) voted for Romney -- one-in-ten is hardly a unicorn. Out of the total black population (I'm too lazy to look up black voting age population) that would be 3.7mil people in the United States. But that one guy out of ten Tweeting a photo of himself still doesn't change the overall demographics of Romney's support.
Let's talk about how white Hawaii is, though. lol
Sanders basically won because he sent his wife to the islands on a pseudo-vacation and Clinton didn't even bother to made a token gesture. It's less of a ringing endorsement of his policies and more of an electorate happy that someone kinda sorta acknowledged they existed.

Edited, Mar 29th 2016 1:29pm by someproteinguy
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#114 Mar 29 2016 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let's talk about how white Hawaii is, though. lol

You guys are getting desperate Smiley: laugh
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#115 Mar 29 2016 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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Clinton's base is the moderate/conservative democrats, who tend to be more religious, less interested in radical reforms, more pro interventionalism and more pro-stability etc.


How can you be pro intervention and pro stability? That's like being pro eating your cake and pro having it too.


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Unless he breaks left/centric after winning the primaries and playing the missing chromosonians like simpletons and then banking on independants because the swing voter is the only bigger moron in this story than Republicans.

Look, I get that you have to rely on some pretty far-fetched hypothetical scenarios since the delegate math isn't going to work out. The problem is that those super delegates you're relying on aren't complete idiots who think that only Sanders can save us from a guy who'll do even worse with minorities than Romney managed to.


Minorities are voting Clinton anyway. In the general, they'd still vote D, even with Sanders. Sanders wins women and competes for the Bro vote. Moderates who don't trust Clinton might be inclined to go with Bernie. Angry old white guys were voting R anyway.

Hawk deme are the only group that might not stick with Bernie in the GE.

Still doesn't get the nom.
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It's less of a ringing endorsement of his policies and more of an electorate happy that someone kinda sorta acknowledged they existed.

Hawaii is one of the least important electoral states. Both due to its low population and its geographic placement which assures that the election is essentially over before they've actually voted.
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#118 Mar 29 2016 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Let's talk about how white Hawaii is, though. lol

You guys are getting desperate Smiley: laugh


Asians count as white in demos, and island is equiv to non-urban, thus Bernie.

It's not a happy little outlier, as much as I wish it was.
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Minorities are voting Clinton anyway. In the general, they'd still vote D, even with Sanders. Sanders wins women and competes for the Bro vote. Moderates who don't trust Clinton might be inclined to go with Bernie. Angry old white guys were voting R anyway.

Most likely, either Democrat would win the general. I'd actually be less inclined to guess it's Sanders because Sanders hasn't actually had a real negative campaign waged against him yet. But my point is that Sanders' supporters aren't actually making realistic arguments about why the party machine should overturn the will of the voters and support Sanders over Clinton.
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#120 Mar 29 2016 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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I think that the crash of the global economy will make a Trump victory more or less certain.
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#121 Mar 30 2016 at 6:01 AM Rating: Default
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Minorities are voting Clinton anyway. In the general, they'd still vote D, even with Sanders. Sanders wins women and competes for the Bro vote. Moderates who don't trust Clinton might be inclined to go with Bernie. Angry old white guys were voting R anyway.


The only reason why Sen. Sanders even stand a chance in the general election is because the GOP alternates are whacko birds. Moderates, such as myself, would rather vote for a Kasich/JEB/Pataki than Sen. Sanders for the same reasons why the established GOP would prefer Sen. Cruz over Trump. No one wants to publicly admit it, but it's better for each respective party to lose the election rather than have an "outsider" embarrass the party.
#122 Mar 30 2016 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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But my point is that Sanders' supporters aren't actually making realistic arguments about why the party machine should overturn the will of the voters and support Sanders over Clinton.
But if a meteor strikes and releases a deadly toxin that kills three fourth of the population and gives sentience to flesh eating insects and Clinton dies then Bernie is totally going to win the general election so you should just vote for him now anyway.
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Wish you had told me that a couple weeks ago before the IL primary Smiley: mad
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#124 Mar 30 2016 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Minorities are voting Clinton anyway. In the general, they'd still vote D, even with Sanders. Sanders wins women and competes for the Bro vote. Moderates who don't trust Clinton might be inclined to go with Bernie. Angry old white guys were voting R anyway.

Most likely, either Democrat would win the general. I'd actually be less inclined to guess it's Sanders because Sanders hasn't actually had a real negative campaign waged against him yet. But my point is that Sanders' supporters aren't actually making realistic arguments about why the party machine should overturn the will of the voters and support Sanders over Clinton.


Sure, but I think the argument that other Sanders supporters are making isn't really what they are saying, rather it's just a sense of disappointment that there aren't enough Liberals in the Liberal party to get the kind of America that they want. Some of them turn to delusion and/or think "How can this math be right, based on the media/information I am receiving? Shouldn't somebody fix this?" and you get various solutions of varying sanity levels, ranging from rolling over and accepting a slow creeping change that Hillary offers, to getting better propaganda, conspiracy theories (in this case probably true but mostly not illegal) to bullets of silver (super delegate fiat revolt) or lead (direct action) or even other radical solutions like a decent into a centralized fascist technocracy.

Long story short, sorry Charlie, try kicking that football next time.
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a decent into a centralized fascist technocracy.
Are we talking Starship Troopers fascist or Starship Troopers: The Movie fascist?
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or even other radical solutions like a decent into a centralized fascist technocracy.


Slight typo there, Time. You meant to type 'ascent'.
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