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#52 Jun 17 2016 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds like they had legitimate complaints. Why are you playing MF? Do you like to lose?

Also, sounds like you are in sub-bronze, so my advice is to get good.
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Sounds like they had legitimate complaints. Why are you playing MF? Do you like to lose?

Also, sounds like you are in sub-bronze, so my advice is to get good.


Yeah, if I wanted to win every game I could play Yasuo, Zed or Tryndamere but I really don't care for either of those. I don't care about ranking, etc. I play Miss Fortune because I love her ultimate(got my first pentakill with it yesterday) and Jinx because stealing kills killing enemy players from the opposite side of the map is a lot of fun. I play Sona sometimes if I feel like it.


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1. People who stand right at the edge of a curb, but aren't actively planning to cross. Double points if they're staring at their cell phone whilst doing this. Look. If you're not crossing the street, stand a few feet away from the curb, so that every single car doesn't have to slow down when driving by on the off chance that you might randomly step out in front of them at any given moment.

2. People who stop to have conversations in the location that most blocks other people trying to walk by. You want to stop and have a conversation, then step to the side and do it. It's not like you're going anywhere anyway, so why not be a tiny bit aware of others around you?

3. People who park their shopping cart blocking one side of the aisle, while standing next to it and rummaging through stuff on the shelf on the other side of the aisle, effectively blocking the entire aisle. Then being oblivious to all the folks trying to get by. Oh. Double points if this is combined with number 2 above, and it's two people stopping to chat while each blocking different halves of the aisle with their respective carts.

4. Honestly, just about any use of a cell phone that doesn't involve sitting in a stationary location. It's somewhat hysterical watching someone walking down a hallway that's like 15 feet wide, weaving from side to side like a drunk driver down the interstate, head down, engrossed in whatever super important stuff is on his screen.

I'm guessing that you are a big town guy. Otherwise, you would definitely have a #5 where people stop their cars to have a conversation between them, blocking the entire road until they are good and ready to move.
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I'm almost certain that you're legally obligated to get out of your car and beat one of those people nearly to death with a blunt object.
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#57 Jun 20 2016 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm guessing that you are a big town guy. Otherwise, you would definitely have a #5 where people stop their cars to have a conversation between them, blocking the entire road until they are good and ready to move.
Always in the parking lot entrance to the only decent supermarket in town. They start like "wow, didn't think I'd run into you here!" as if there was any other choice of where to go. Best part of moving to a big city is you can actually get your errands done without having to stop and socialize with everyone you used to know from high-school, sports team, parent's workplace friend, bought a dog from the same littler of puppies, etc etc
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There's only six people in our main office. It probably wouldn't blow the supply budget if we bought some toilet paper that's not made out of pumice and nettles.
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Update: I finally got a waitress to take my card, but 'twas awkward. She kept looking around like she was buying drugs.

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I'm almost certain that you're legally obligated to get out of your car and beat one of those people nearly to death with a blunt object.


Yeah. We take our cars and driving pretty seriously in Southern California. Such a thing would probably start a riot. On the other hand though, I do notice some self entitled folks who decide that as long as they're not staying for long, it's not technically parking, so they can just stop their car in the lane right in front of the store "just for a few seconds" to let out passengers (sometimes, they'll politely turn on their hazards just to let everyone else know what's going on). Honestly, part of that is the dumb redesign of the shopping center I frequent, where they moved all the restaurants from the lower lot area (with tons of parking that no one uses now) to the top level juncture area right between the two lots. Which means that the closest parking is the lot directly in front of the grocery store. Which makes finding parking reasonably close to said store difficult for those of us actually shopping for groceries and significantly increases traffic congestion right in that area (and contributes to the idea of dropping folks off at the curb right there and blocking traffic). Then again, that shopping center has a freaking concierge bus (more like a cart really) and valet parking, so self entitlement kinda comes with the territory (even for those not using the service).

Oh. And another peeve (this is more of a complaint about dumb design really): What the heck is up with shopping center parking lots going to a 3 out of 4 way stop design? I've run into this in another center near a friends house and immediately thought "wow, this is dumb". A couple months ago, they changed the intersection to the bottom lot entrance to this same dumb design. What I'm talking about is where the lot has a double wide divided lane that goes straight from/to the main street (with a signal light). A short distance in, there's an intersection that allows one to turn left or right to lanes that run more or less around the far edge of the lot (far from the center of the shopping area, but near to the street). That's usually where they'll place stuff like gas stations, car washes, lube and tune, maybe a detached restaurant, etc. Previously, the cross traffic had stop signs, but the main traffic going in or out did not. Apparently, this caused a problem with traffic flow because folks turning from the main road into the lot and then wanting to make an immediate left turn into one of the side lanes, would have to stop and wait for traffic exiting to clear, sometimes resulting in traffic backing up into the main street. Their solution? Put a stop sign on the traffic heading out! Wow. What a great idea? Not! What happens now is that folks going out stop to wait for any traffic heading in which might turn left in front of them to clear. The problem is that said traffic coming in doesn't know that the traffic going the other way has a stop sign. So they stop to wait for you to go, assuming that you have right of way since you're going straight, and they're turning left across your lane. There's literally nowhere I've seen on a surface street that uses this sort of configuration, precisely because it's confusing as heck, and will cause accidents rather than reduce them. Apparently, the dim bulbs in charge of putting up traffic signs in parking lots should maybe talk to the folks who do so on surface streets. They might learn why you *don't* do certain things.

To make matter worse though (and this is the total kicker). Even if you thought that the drivers entering the lot should be able to look and see that the traffic heading the other way has a stop sign, they actually cant. Some other bright bulb, apparently thinking someone might get confused and drive the wrong way on the divided entry/exit lane, put a "do not enter" sign on the reverse side of the stop sign. So the person driving out sees a stop sign on the right side of his lane and stops. The person coming in, if he even bothers to look, only sees a square "do not enter" sign on the far left side of intersection. The stop sign is entirely blocked from view, so they have no way of knowing that the exiting traffic has a stop.

Honestly, if the problem was traffic backing up, what they should have done was just extend the center divider all the way through the intersection. That way entering traffic can only go straight or turn right, and exiting traffic can only go straight or turn right. Cross traffic can only turn right as well (so one side can exit and the other can only enter and travel towards the center area). This would solve the problem entirely. So yeah, the small number of people on the right side of the lot would have to drive up one of the lanes to the store fronts, turn left, then left again to the exit (or go out the back exit which is just as easy from that portion of the lot), but that's actually easier than sitting their waiting for the exit/entry lane to clear so they can turn left and exit. Folks in the left side of the lot can exit easily (and to be honest, I sometimes cut down a lane or three early to go down that lane and turn right to get to the exit lane anyway, just because it's usually less congested). It would eliminate accidents pretty much entirely, and eliminate backed up traffic. Just need some cement and it's done.

Oh. And the other thing it would eliminate is people going into the freaking gas station backwards. The station is immediately to the left as you enter that lot from the street. So people turn left from the entrance lane and then turn left into the gas station. The station, however, has 3 pump long lanes, and so has entrance and exit signs, and the pump rows themselves have big red "do not enter" signs on them. But people pull in anyway because the exit route is the closest "entrance" into the stations lot. They want people to drive in a circle past the station (or enter by turning into a earlier lane when heading towards the exit), turn into the lane at the end, pull through the pump lanes, and then exit and then turn right towards the exit of the lot itself. But a silly number of people come in the wrong way. If there was no way to make a left into that side lane from the entrance, they'd be forced to drive to the lane by the store fronts, make a left there, then come back down another lane, and be naturally positioned to enter in the "first" entrance to the station, which would actually line them up properly.

Yeah yeah. TL;DR. Whatever.

Oh. Ultimately irony is that they actually implemented this exact solution in the entrance/exit to the top lot about 5 years ago. They actually went a step further and disallowed right turns from the lot into the entrance lane as well, so as to ensure that traffic entering has no obstacles at all (they can freely and with right of way continue all the way to the intersection at the store front, or turn right into the lot to their right. So I have no clue why they decided it wouldn't work on the other main entrance into the center and did something completely different.

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There's only six people in our main office. It probably wouldn't blow the supply budget if we bought some toilet paper that's not made out of pumice and nettles.


Since there's just six of you in the office, can't you all just bring in a roll of toilet paper yourselves and share? You could even apply peer pressure to those who don't spring for the extra comfy stuff.
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gbaji wrote:
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There's only six people in our main office. It probably wouldn't blow the supply budget if we bought some toilet paper that's not made out of pumice and nettles.


Since there's just six of you in the office, can't you all just bring in a roll of toilet paper yourselves and share? You could even apply peer pressure to those who don't spring for the extra comfy stuff.


So... collectivize the operating expenses for the benefit of the business owner?
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Bring my own? What is this, Russia? Did we lose a war or something? Just buy some normal toilet paper, people Smiley: mad
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On the other hand though, I do notice some self entitled folks who decide that as long as they're not staying for long, it's not technically parking, so they can just stop their car in the lane right in front of the store "just for a few seconds" to let out passengers (sometimes, they'll politely turn on their hazards just to let everyone else know what's going on).
Eh, maybe it's because I've lived in New York most of my life but double parking is just something that exists out of necessity so it's not really an issue. Probably makes me a hypocrite but as long as they're actually doing something (talking to someone isn't doing something) I don't mind it. But no, two cars stopped in the road to talk to each other? Someone gonna die.

Really, one of my retirement goals is to let my license expire and just get a regular ID. Driving is overrated here.
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Bring my own? What is this, Russia? Did we lose a war or something? Just buy some normal toilet paper, people Smiley: mad
You're supposed to compensate by using 10x the necessary amount of toilet paper and making a big deal about how you'd cut back if only it was better quality.

Then the owner goes out and buys a bidet.
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On the other hand though, I do notice some self entitled folks who decide that as long as they're not staying for long, it's not technically parking, so they can just stop their car in the lane right in front of the store "just for a few seconds" to let out passengers (sometimes, they'll politely turn on their hazards just to let everyone else know what's going on).
Eh, maybe it's because I've lived in New York most of my life but double parking is just something that exists out of necessity so it's not really an issue. Probably makes me a hypocrite but as long as they're actually doing something (talking to someone isn't doing something) I don't mind it. But no, two cars stopped in the road to talk to each other? Someone gonna die.


It's actually less of a problem on a surface street than in a parking lot though. There's usually (at least on our much more superior streets) enough room to get around a car stopped on the right side of the lane to let someone out (we also tend to have double wide right lanes though, for that whole "can pass on the right and turn on a red" thing we do here). In a parking lot, there's no extra room to do this. If a car stops in the lane, all traffic in that lane is stuck until they start moving again. Of course, people do this the most when the lot is busy (otherwise they'd just find a spot nearby and park), so there's a ton of cars typically lined up behind them waiting for them to get out of the way.

I honestly think it's just people not even thinking about how their actions affect others. In that same lot, I was once driving down one of the lanes heading towards the main lane to leave, and a freaking bus (a short bus no less) stopped in front of me and started letting people out. What's bizarre is that there were empty parking spaces in that lane literally right next to where they stopped. Could trivially have just parked and taken all the time they wanted. But the driver decided to just drive to the end of the lane and just stop right there. It wasn't even that the passengers were any closer to the stores. Just blocking traffic for the sake of blocking traffic I guess.

The other one that kills me is the ridiculous lengths people will go to be just a few feet closer to the storefronts. I regularly see people sit and wait for a person to load groceries into their car, put their cart away, then lazily get back into the car and pull out of the space, so they can get that persons space despite there being several empty spaces just a few car widths farther down the lane. Which is pretty annoying when your the guy stuck behind said idiot.

Of course, just this weekend, I saw one that more or less made me do a massive double take. The spaces in this lot are all angled, with two way traffic in each lane. So the assumption is that you park in the spaces to your right, since they're angled for you. You could back into a space on the left side if you want to as well. I watched a guy pull into a lane with an empty space on the right side 3 slots in. Instead of just making the easy move into that space, he swung wide in order to pull into the angled space on the left side of the lane that was just 2 slots in. Um... Really? So now you're blocking up traffic while inevitably backing in and out to try to align yourself with a space that isn't at all lined up for you to park in, just to be one freaking spot closer? I just don't get that. To me, I'll go a greater distance if it's easier on me. Heck. I'll pass up parking spots if the cars to either side look like they parked a bit too far over and it'll be even a bit tight. I've even been known to pass up a parking spot if the person parked next to it has his wheels turned wrong (another pet peeve of mine, given that I've personally watched someone in a hurry jump into their car, fire up the engine and jam into reverse, not realize they left their wheels turned and slam into the side of the car parked next to them).

I always find it amusing to watch people who circle a parking lot trying to find the "best spot". Not so amusing if I'm stuck behind them, but quite amusing when I make a beeline for the back of the lot, park in all the empty space there, and pass them on foot, while they're still circling and struggling to find that perfect spot. Sometimes I point and laugh.

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It's a necessity here. And usually a much better way to get around. Except when folks seem **** bent on designing parking lots and structures to make it as painful as possible. Don't even get me started on the plans for the "new" shopping center they're designing in my neighborhood right now. Gah. Terrible. People who can't figure out those of us who moved to the suburbs did so specifically because we don't want to deal with crowded city streets should not be in charge of designing anything built in our neighborhoods. Let's design this as a city center, complete with a main street, and quaint walkways that cross right across the roadways, cause it'll be fun for everyone to drive and walk in the same area. I'm sure a few fatalities are going to be worth capturing that "main street feel". They literally route all of the traffic in and out of the center through the middle of the walkways lined with shops, then out to the parking structures. Um... Run the entry/exits straight in to the lots and structures around the edge of the center. Put the shops in the middle. Don't mix them. How hard is this?

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It's actually less of a problem on a surface street than in a parking lot though.
I ... wasn't talking about parking lots? I guess it's not called double parking on your coast? Momentarily stopping in the lane to drop people off or to run errands, usually next to an actually parked vehicle along the road. Cars can pass here with people double parking all over the place, too. I guess the occasional triple parked douchenozzles are a hassle. Right on red is a thing here too ... or it isn't and no one cares because I've done it in front of cop cars enough times. I've never really run into problems in parking lots or parking structures, but again I detest driving in the first place so I might only really drive somewhere with those options once a month.
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I ... wasn't talking about parking lots?


I was though. I was specifically speaking of people stopping in front of a store with an attached parking lot, in the lane that runs in front of the store to drop people off rather than just parking and walking to the store like normal people. When you responded talking about what I assumed was this kind of behavior when on a surface street, I made a point of discussing the differences between the two scenarios.

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It's called double parking here too. But in this case, I was talking about a storefront that doesn't have parking (or room for parking) at all (cause it's got this huge parking lot with lanes that you're supposed to use instead). So they aren't "double parked". They're just "parked". In the traffic lane. Which is already just barely wide enough for cars to travel in both directions. Usually at a time when the lot is busy, so there's a continuous stream of cars going in both directions, making it completely impossible for anyone behind them to do anything other than sit and fume.

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It's kinda the opposite around here though. With the exception of some areas right in and around downtown (which I try to avoid like the plague), we don't tend to have onstreet parking (at least not in business areas. Residential is a different subject). Everything is in parking lots. Traffic flows very well on the surface streets because there's no reason for anyone to stop. Even if you did, what would be the point? It's just a random stretch of sidewalk, usually with an actual parking lot on the other side of the walkway. If you want to stop somewhere, you pull into the lot and find parking there. Then go from there to whatever store or business you're visiting.

We're very efficient with our car traffic around here. San Diego is one of the few cities (and certainly the largest city) that has almost entirely been designed and planned with car traffic in mind. Which, on the one hand, means you kinda have to have a car to get around. But on the other hand, it's incredibly fast and convenient to get wherever you want to go by car. It's actually somewhat painful to try to drive in the older areas, which is why I totally understand why folks who live in cities where that kind of street design is the norm don't think so highly of driving as a primary means of getting around.
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I don't know if "you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars if you want to go anywhere" is a real point of pride but I suppose one takes what they can get.
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I don't know if "you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars if you want to go anywhere" is a real point of pride but I suppose one takes what they can get.


So, a months rent in CA?
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I don't know if "you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars if you want to go anywhere" is a real point of pride but I suppose one takes what they can get.


95% of US households own at least one car anyway. So the "tens of thousands of dollars" argument is somewhat irrelevant. You've likely already spent the money on a car. Wouldn't it be nice if the streets and city layout where you live were designed to maximize the utility of that investment?
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Cart before the horse, there: you've likely already spent the money because you needed to. People don't buy cars just because they're bored. Less than half of the people in NYC own a car, because there's a robust mass transit system available. Thus they never needed to make the investment.
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Cart before the horse, there: you've likely already spent the money because you needed to. People don't buy cars just because they're bored. Less than half of the people in NYC own a car, because there's a robust mass transit system available. Thus they never needed to make the investment.


Well. If we're going to talk about housing costs though...

You could make 3 or 4 car payments a month on the difference in just average rental price between San Diego and NYC. So that wonderful mass transit system does come with a high cost. And it's also kind of a cart leading the horse too, right? The design in NYC makes driving a car a nightmare, and thus forces people to use the mass transit system. But said system is only effective if/because of the high population density. One factor kinda creates and requires the other. Give me a choice though, and I'd rather not have to deal with tightly packed living conditions, garbage bags on the curb, lugging groceries on foot, walking up stairs to my home, etc. Heck. What do people living in NYC do if they need to buy something from a specialty store that is largish and heavy? Pay for delivery all the time? Pay for a cab?

I get that it's a lifestyle choice. But you'll have to forgive me for preferring the one I've chosen. Cause, you know, it is my choice, right?
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I bought a car from a coworker once for $200, then sold it a year later to a junk yard for $300. The cheapest insurance I could get on it was $175 a month. This was back when gas was $4 a gallon. I'd have given anything for something that resembled public transit. Sadly it's not an option for everybody.
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Mass transit is disempowering and stupid until I need an airplane; then it's awesome!!!
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I bought a car from a coworker once for $200, then sold it a year later to a junk yard for $300. The cheapest insurance I could get on it was $175 a month. This was back when gas was $4 a gallon. I'd have given anything for something that resembled public transit. Sadly it's not an option for everybody.


Gez. How old are you and/or where are you living that insurance is that expensive? Especially on what I can assume is an old junker. Comprehensive coverage for my car costs about $1000/year (I think it's exactly $512 every six months). So not terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things. If I just went with collision, it would probably be about half that I think.
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I bought a car from a coworker once for $200, then sold it a year later to a junk yard for $300. The cheapest insurance I could get on it was $175 a month. This was back when gas was $4 a gallon. I'd have given anything for something that resembled public transit. Sadly it's not an option for everybody.


Gez. How old are you and/or where are you living that insurance is that expensive? Especially on what I can assume is an old junker. Comprehensive coverage for my car costs about $1000/year (I think it's exactly $512 every six months). So not terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things. If I just went with collision, it would probably be about half that I think.


Yeah >2k a year is brutal. Do you have a lot of accidents? Also please tell me you weren't insuring the value of the car.
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ITT: Bijou shows us that he does not know that mass transit is a system for moving people around within a metropolitan area, while airplanes are used to move people from one metropolitan area to another and are thus completely different things.

But for the record, I actually dislike flying and will also avoid it when possible. It's just that when you need to travel great distances, it's generally by far the best option. But yeah, if I've got the time for a leisurely 5-6 day drive across the country, I'll take that option over flying. Heck. Might just see some stuff along the way. Heaven forbid we live our lives instead of rushing from place to place all the time.
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You could make 3 or 4 car payments a month on the difference in just average rental price between San Diego and NYC. So that wonderful mass transit system does come with a high cost. And it's also kind of a cart leading the horse too, right?

Well, no. You're not paying more to live in an area with a robust mass transit system, you're paying more to live in an extremely popular place to live. Thus, property is at more of a premium. The mass transit system helps make that population density possible but the root cause of the property costs is the fact that eight million other people want to live in the same place.

I don't care about the "lifestyle you've chosen", I just found it funny that you'd be smug about having lots of roads. San Diego is a glorified suburb, of course it has lots of roads. There's a lot of roads and parking lots out here in suburbia where I live too, I just never thought that they were noteworthy.
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Average rent in San Diego is $1,630, NYC is $2,000, and the average per month cost of a car is $430 a month. Average collision insurance in San Diego is $440, and California's gas prices are about $2.80 gallon. Thirty day unlimited Metro Card is $113.

So $2,113 a month in NYC, $2,500 $2,096* (not including gas) for San Diego. So not really impressive, considering one is still New York and the other is San Diego.

(* It's late, I did the math wrong.)

Edited, Jun 23rd 2016 2:36am by lolgaxe
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I bought a car from a coworker once for $200, then sold it a year later to a junk yard for $300. The cheapest insurance I could get on it was $175 a month. This was back when gas was $4 a gallon. I'd have given anything for something that resembled public transit. Sadly it's not an option for everybody.


Gez. How old are you and/or where are you living that insurance is that expensive? Especially on what I can assume is an old junker. Comprehensive coverage for my car costs about $1000/year (I think it's exactly $512 every six months). So not terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things. If I just went with collision, it would probably be about half that I think.


It's funny. I wrote a lot about the things that happened back then on here already years ago and in much more detail. I know nobody can remember but it still feels ****** having to repeat everything. Thing is, I don't much remember either. It was some time back around 2007-2008ish. It was a pretty decent car for the price. Got me from point A to point B pretty effectively, despite having virtually no interior save for the front and passenger seat. I guess being a new driver in Florida is expensive insurance wise. A lot of really bad **** happened. I learned to deal with it the same way as everything else-- by not going anywhere or doing anything. Things like car insurance are now completely out of my jurisdiction and I won't even pretend to know how all that **** works now.
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There's a lot of roads and parking lots out here in suburbia where I live too, I just never thought that they were noteworthy.
Never take parking lots for granted. My workplace got banned from adding new ones a couple of decades ago, now there's 1 parking space for every 2.5 employees. Smiley: frown
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Eh, Portland has great mass transit, I didn't have a car the entire time I lived there, which was about 14 years.
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There's a lot of roads and parking lots out here in suburbia where I live too, I just never thought that they were noteworthy.
Never take parking lots for granted. My workplace got banned from adding new ones a couple of decades ago, now there's 1 parking space for every 2.5 employees. Smiley: frown


Banned from building parking lots? For what reason?
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Banned from building parking lots? For what reason?

Storm water mitigation is my immediate guess. A lot of places around here you need so much greenspace to act as detention areas so the storm water system doesn't get overwhelmed by parking lot runoff.
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There's a lot of roads and parking lots out here in suburbia where I live too, I just never thought that they were noteworthy.
Never take parking lots for granted. My workplace got banned from adding new ones a couple of decades ago, now there's 1 parking space for every 2.5 employees. Smiley: frown


Banned from building parking lots? For what reason?
Road capacity mainly.

Basically it's a hospital in a relatively wealthy area that's fed by small roads that have to go up a steep hill side. Improving the roads isn't really possible without a massive construction project which would involve significantly reworking the hillside and whatnot. Traffic levels were high enough that they were snarling the roadways and upsetting the wealthy neighbors who had the political means to place restrictions in the neighborhood, so they did. Note: not that I blame the city council for agreeing with the wealthy neighbors, frankly it was probably the best decision.

On the plus side the solution has made my morning commute more pretty. Smiley: grin

Really should snap some better pictures myself at some point; all mine were super tiny and from an old cellphone.

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Eh, Portland has great mass transit, I didn't have a car the entire time I lived there, which was about 14 years.
Its saving grace to be sure. They really did a good job here. There are still times I wish I could drive to work though. Every time we look at potential places to live we're constantly restricted to being within walking distance of a bus stop, which is fine until you get out into the suburbs a ways and the bus lines thin out. In which case being within a mile or so of the bus stop tends to restrict you to neighborhoods the wife doesn't want to live in. Smiley: frown
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Average rent in San Diego is $1,630, NYC is $2,000, and the average per month cost of a car is $430 a month. Average collision insurance in San Diego is $440, and California's gas prices are about $2.80 gallon. Thirty day unlimited Metro Card is $113.

So $2,113 a month in NYC, $2,500 $2,096* (not including gas) for San Diego. So not really impressive, considering one is still New York and the other is San Diego.

(* It's late, I did the math wrong.)


Your math is way off. Median 2 bedroom apartment rent in San Diego is $1795/month. Median 2 bedroom apartment in NYC is $3500/month. Average car payment per month for a new car is $479. A used car will be much less expensive (but may have other expenses attached). Gas depends on how much you drive, obviously. But if we assume an average of 12,000 miles per year, that's 1000 miles per month, which at 22 average mpg works out to about 45.5 gallons of gas, which at $2.80/gallon works out to about $127/month for gas (um... not much more than the metro card, but usable 24 hours a day and not just until midnight).

Insurance should bake out to less than $100/month. Driving in San Diego is still much much less expensive than taking the bus/rail in NYC. And this assumes that all of your transportation needs can be met with the metro system.

Of course, one you've paid of your car, the only expense is gas, insurance, and maintenance. Which, while certainly more expensive than the cost of a monthly metro pass, is far far more convenient. I'll gladly pay an extra hundred bucks a month or so to have a 10 minute commute rather than 1 hour, and be able to bop over to any store or restaurant or whatever whenever I want for any reason I want. Or run over to a friends house at any time of the night or day without having to think about bus schedules and transfers or worrying about how I'm going to get home afterwards.
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While everything you posted may be true, you left out the number one negative! You have to live in San Diego!
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Mass Transit doesn't shut down in major cities at night here on the east coast. Some lines may shut down at night, but they tend to be ones that only go into upper class neighborhoods that only want buses, so their housekeepers can get to and from work. Many people who work in NYC take trains from the suburbs also. My uncle rode a van service to and from home to the train station in White Plains. The car was used mostly by my aunt for shopping and for traveling.

My sister works in Washington D.C. and gets to work by train from Philadelphia, which she get to by a commuter train from a parking lot in Cherry Hill N.J. Course the fact that she works for Amtrak does have something to do with her choice to commute that far to work. But then many people on the east coast from the suburbs of Boston to Washington D.C, take the train to get between major cities, to get to work each day.

I used to take a bus that went through one neighborhood once in the morning and again once in the afternoon. Each morning I would ride the bus with several women, who would get pick up at the one bus stop in the neighborhood by the women they worked for. The same neighborhood worked hard to prevent a light rail stop being built where it ran through the area.

Another bus line only operates limited hours, because of the fact that city school students need to get to the best public elementary/middle school in the city. Also so the retirees can go downtown to museums and a few bankers can commute to work. No need to ride a bus into the pricey neighborhood in the evening or overnight. Everyone that lives there own cars. Oh and the kids that go to the privates school on scholarship also do use the bus to get to the exclusive school that surround the one public school.

Another option we have here are more bike routes to work and buses and trains that allow you to take your bike with you.

Then we live in places that where developed way before horseless carriages and were trains lines in the USA were first built. With lots of hills, mountains and waterways to plan around too. Guess that why the only city that has decent public transit in California is San Fransisco.
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Yeah, Gbaji's perceptions are obviously based around having limited to no experience with a real mass transit system. Which is fine but not really worth arguing about when one party has no frame of reference.
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(um... not much more than the metro card, but usable 24 hours a day and not just until midnight).
What? ... Wait, no, okay, I see. The card works until midnight of the thirtieth day. As in it expires on the thirty-first day. It's 25/8 the rest of the time. And if I really need it at 0001 of the thirty-first day then I just buy a new one from the vending machine since I'm going to anyway. I mean, I understand the mistake. Country bumpkins that visit do it all the time.
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Driving in San Diego is still much much less expensive than taking the bus/rail in NYC.
$227 (gas and insurance, your numbers)/month is "much much" less than $113/month? Smiley: dubious
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I'll gladly pay an extra hundred bucks a month or so to have a 10 minute commute rather than 1 hour, and be able to bop over to any store or restaurant or whatever whenever I want for any reason I want. Or run over to a friends house at any time of the night or day without having to think about bus schedules and transfers or worrying about how I'm going to get home afterwards.
It takes me five minutes to walk to the station, maybe fifteen~twenty minutes to my stop, and another five to my office, but during that time I'm getting a ten minute walk and during that ride I read. I can "bop" over to any store or restaurant or whatever whenever I want for any reason I want, run over to a friend's house at any time day or night without thinking about bus schedules and transfers or worrying about getting home afterwards as well. Kind of why they're called "schedules."
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Which is fine but not really worth arguing about when one party has no frame of reference.
Either this or vacuum my own office and I would never rob my minions of the grand experience of doing menial labor.
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It takes me five minutes to walk to the station, maybe fifteen~twenty minutes to my stop, and another five to my office, but during that time I'm getting a ten minute walk and during that ride I read. I can "bop" over to any store or restaurant or whatever whenever I want for any reason I want, run over to a friend's house at any time day or night without thinking about bus schedules and transfers or worrying about getting home afterwards as well. Kind of why they're called "schedules."

Or, you know, for those occasions where a direct A to B route in a car would be helpful they have these things now called "cabs" or "Uber" or, ****, bike rental stations depending on the city.
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And since it's a city, most everything is relatively close so walking is viable. Having options is such a wonderful thing.
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It takes me five minutes to walk to the station, maybe fifteen~twenty minutes to my stop, and another five to my office, but during that time I'm getting a ten minute walk and during that ride I read. I can "bop" over to any store or restaurant or whatever whenever I want for any reason I want, run over to a friend's house at any time day or night without thinking about bus schedules and transfers or worrying about getting home afterwards as well. Kind of why they're called "schedules."

Or, you know, for those occasions where a direct A to B route in a car would be helpful they have these things now called "cabs" or "Uber" or, ****, bike rental stations depending on the city.
Let's be honest, no one wants to ride one of those ugly bikes.
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I never really looked at the pricing for those bikes because I don't have a beard and wear pants that crush my balls, but it's kind of ridiculous. The Citibike is $12 for twenty-four hour pass for unlimited thirty minute rides, with each additional half hour being more and more expensive (2.50, 6.00, 9.00 Wrong pass. 4.00 per each additional 15 minutes after the initial half hour.) So ride for 29 minutes, put it up, pick up another bike for another 29 minutes, repeat .... It's like one big hipster tax.

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Looks like it's $10 a month here for an annual subscription (or $10 for a 24hr pass) -- free 30min trips, $2 for 30-60, $6 for 60-90 and $8 each additional half hour.

I can't imagine wanting to take a two hour bike ride through the city. Whatever is 120 biking minutes away, I'm reaching by some other means. If it's just 30min away, you get there, check in the bike and you're done. Looking at it, you could probably take longer trips just by docking/releasing the bike along the way at the various stations since docking a bike resets the clock.

But I can't say that I ever used the service so I can't speak for it in practice. I assume the bikes are "distinctive" to reduce the attractiveness of theft.

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I don't like bikes in general. Not something I'd be comfortable taking on the road.
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They have a pretty effective system for stopping people from riding bikes here. Basically, they're very strict about people not riding them on the sidewalk(in any of the few places there are such sidewalks). You must ride them on the 1 foot of space between busy traffic and the curb they call the "bicycle lane" where you will almost assuredly be clipped or run over by motored vehicles or cause an accident should they actually try to not run you over.

Traffic here is a serious problem. They'd rather pay to expand the main roads every couple of years than invest in any sort of public transit. I mean, technically there is a bus route but it is extremely low quality compared to what one would expect. It only runs on very specific hours, and not at all on Sundays. I used to try and ride them to work but they frequently did not show up at all causing me to be very late for my ****** Walmart job at the time. It's as if they made it that way on purpose so they could say "See? Public transportation sucks. Buy more cars."

--also, if you use Uber around here, the drivers will murder you.
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