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#1 Jul 07 2016 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
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4 officers deceased. 11 injured. Possibly some civilians/protesters shot as well.

Crazy stuff.
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#2 Jul 08 2016 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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Just one of those unavoidable tragedies, really.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc. You know, all that fear and nationalism type stuff that comes with outbreaks of violence.
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If only the strict gun laws in Texas hadn't prohibited the cops from having tactical nukes this all could have been avoided.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc. You know, all that fear and nationalism type stuff that comes with outbreaks of violence.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc.
Pretty sure that is social media's reaction to everything from terrorist attacks to a store running out of your favorite ice cream.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc.
Pretty sure that is social media's reaction to everything from terrorist attacks to a store running out of your favorite ice cream.
Pretty much, though they sometimes use different words. "Segregation" is now often called "PoC-Only Safe Spaces", for instance.
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Looks like they got him with a drone bomb.
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Armed suspect in US Capitol, apparently.
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One of the Dallas shooters has been IDed.

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The dead gunman in the Dallas ambush that left five officers dead has been identified as 25-year-old Micah Xavier Johnson of Mesquite, Texas, law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation told CNN. Johnson had no criminal record or known terror ties, a law enforcement official said.

Johnson had served in the U.S. Army Reserve, two U.S. officials said.

A neighbor said there are police cars outside Johnson's home. Wayne Bynoe, the neighbor, told CNN that Johnson lived with his mother and "keeps to himself."

Johnson told negotiators that he was upset about recent police shootings, that he wanted to kill white people -- especially white officers -- and that he acted alone, the city's police chief told reporters Friday.

Police killed the Johnson with an explosive device after a standoff that lasted for hours, Chief David Brown said.

"We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was," Brown said. "Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is deceased as a result of detonating the bomb."

Five police officers were killed and seven others were injured in the ambush, which began during a protest over police violence Thursday night, officials have said. It was the deadliest single incident for U.S. law enforcement since September 11, 2001. Two civilians also were injured in the shootings, the Dallas mayor's office said.

The deadly gunfire erupted in Dallas as videos showing two African-American men shot by police in Louisiana and Minnesota spurred protests and debate over police use of force across the country.

The Dallas police chief told reporters it's too soon to speculate on the suspect's motives, and it's unclear whether more suspects are on the loose.

"We're hurting. Our profession is hurting. There are no words to describe the atrocity that happened in our city," he said. "All I know is that this must stop -- this divisiveness between our police and our citizens."
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Smiley: eek

Something, something, don't mess with Texas. They'll blow you up.
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Something, something, don't mess with Texas. They'll blow you up.
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Not the normal standoff resolution, that's for sure. Probably isn't going to do much to help calm the situation either. Blowing up a black guy and all; that'll be good for race relations. Can't imagine they had much of a choice though, I mean the normal standoff doesn't involve a guy who's been sniping at people. Killing 5 officers probably isn't going to earn you any bonus points with the cops either.

Also, see I told you: explosives > flamethrowers. Smiley: waycool
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Johnson told negotiators that he was upset about recent police shootings, that he wanted to kill white people -- especially white officers -- and that he acted alone, the city's police chief told reporters Friday.

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The Dallas police chief told reporters it's too soon to speculate on the suspect's motives, and it's unclear whether more suspects are on the loose.
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Also, see I told you: explosives > flamethrowers. Smiley: waycool
Jury's still out on that until police somewhere deploy a flamethrower drone.
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I haven't confirmed it(and it's past my bedtime), but if anyone feels like checking, someone on Twitter is saying that we've had more cop killings in Tennessee, Georgia, and Missouri so far since Dallas.
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Also, see I told you: explosives > flamethrowers. Smiley: waycool
Jury's still out on that until police somewhere deploy a flamethrower drone.
While I respectfully disagree with your assessment, this is an experiment that needs to happen.

Edited, Jul 8th 2016 2:35pm by someproteinguy
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I haven't confirmed it(and it's past my bedtime), but if anyone feels like checking, someone on Twitter is saying that we've had more cop killings in Tennessee, Georgia, and Missouri so far since Dallas.

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Not the normal standoff resolution, that's for sure. Probably isn't going to do much to help calm the situation either. Blowing up a black guy and all; that'll be good for race relations.


I've admittedly not been spending a ton of time checking the broad public reaction, but I'm reasonably certain that the BLM folks aren't going to adopt this guy as any sort of poster child for their movement. Well, most of them anyway. Cause that would be the fastest way to self destruct themselves as an organization.
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I am afraid to respond to this thread, because odds are anything I can put together now would more of a rambling than usual. I am sad this happened. I am not, however, that surprised. This post was initially going to be a part of the response to Joph in another thread, but this is a better spot for it.

First off, I am impressed, shocked, and horrified at blowing an assailant up at the same time. I was under general impression that explosives are mostly not available to regular cops and usually reserved for specialized teams like swat ( correct me as needed, I honestly do not know ). I am not sure we are ready for grenade launchers, rocket launches and ieds on our streets, which brings me to the next point.

No, not the militarization of the police; that horse has left the stables long time ago. I am talking about lack of punishment. I am talking about breaking of the fabric of society. No, I am not being overly dramatic. What you are seeing in front of you too many people noticing at the same time that the system is failing them, big time ( yes, that includes HRC ). And when enough people see system fail them, there are only few options for them.

Luckily for us, due to decades us indoctrination and regular doses of propaganda, the cultural myths in the US revolve around lone, self-sufficient, strong, ranger type, who does what has to be done, outside the system if necessary, against all odds, against the whole world if need be. Basically, Batman. It would be easy to argue that it started with the declaration of independence, but I honestly do not think it was nearly as bad until movies became a thing as they reinforced this particular mythos over and over and over again. In the olden times it was John Wayne with two million billion movies about the same thing. Now we have John Wick.

From early childhood kids are bombarded with ideas to take law unto themselves when the system fails them, and now somehow we are surprised? I am only surprised it is only happening now. It is ******* scary as ****, because it means US society is beginning to collapse. And why?

Because cops like the ones Minn. will get off scot free, because HRC will get off scot free, because the system is fundamentally broken.

Nietsche argued that the reason we moved to a judicial system we have today was, and I paraphrase, so that we do not have to deal with constant vendettas and because there was too much blood spilled each time someone ****** someone else off.

At this rate, we may be on the way back to the good old times where aristocracy took care of their squabbles the old fashioned way.

Like I said, rambling.

Edited, Jul 8th 2016 7:56pm by angrymnk
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I'm wondering about the details of the robot bomb now-- and how much of an explosion was it to outright kill the guy?
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I'm wondering about the details of the robot bomb now-- and how much of an explosion was it to outright kill the guy?

Doesn't really take much to kill a person, right? I know video games and TV make it seem like you can take shots and bombs and just go hide somewhere for a few moments and you'll be alright. Real world humans are pretty easy to kill.
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I suspect they used a small shaped charge, possibly attached to an extended rod; small amount of explosive material needed, a certain level of "aiming" and reduced collateral damage.


Purely a guess, though.
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I was under general impression that explosives are mostly not available to regular cops and usually reserved for specialized teams like swat ( correct me as needed, I honestly do not know ).
All major police departments have access to flashbangs and countercharges (basically C4. Mainly used for breaching buildings and to blow up other explosive devices). They can both be lethal, so we can't say which was used without any details. It could have been anything from a flashbang causing a heart attack or just straight up turning him into spaghetti sauce with a directional countercharge. Could have also been shrapnel or concussive force.

Probably not the spaghetti sauce, though. I'd imagine we'd have heard a lot more about it if that were the case.
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Not the normal standoff resolution, that's for sure. Probably isn't going to do much to help calm the situation either. Blowing up a black guy and all; that'll be good for race relations.


I've admittedly not been spending a ton of time checking the broad public reaction, but I'm reasonably certain that the BLM folks aren't going to adopt this guy as any sort of poster child for their movement. Well, most of them anyway. Cause that would be the fastest way to self destruct themselves as an organization.
Naw can't see that happening either. I'll just say inb4 "wouldn't have blown up a white guy" becomes a thing and see if my hunch is correct. If I'm understanding it correctly this is the first instance of a police robot being used to kill in the US? Someone with a bit of tinfoil will find it interesting that this line crossed with a black guy as the target at a BLM march of all places.
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I'm wondering about the details of the robot bomb now-- and how much of an explosion was it to outright kill the guy?

Doesn't really take much to kill a person, right? I know video games and TV make it seem like you can take shots and bombs and just go hide somewhere for a few moments and you'll be alright. Real world humans are pretty easy to kill.


I figured it was the opposite-- where TV and movies depict being poked with a knife causes you to fall over dead as you would be having been drowned a month prior. That and there are about a bajillion stories out there about guys who lay on top of grenades to save their buddies or stepping on land mines then live to tell about it.

Edited, Jul 9th 2016 1:49am by Kuwoobie

I am so tired.

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Or some duct tape. Duct tape fixes everything.
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Wired has an article about the robot, titled "Why A Killer Robot Was Likely The Only Option For Dallas Police". It postulates that the robot may have used a water charge (the Dallas Police haven't elaborated). Other stuff I read said that it likely wasn't a C4 charge simply because of the damage potential to the building. All the articles make the point that dead is dead and, had the police had a clear line of sight, he would have been just as killed from a SWAT member's rifle as he was by the robot bomb.
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Could have also be internalizing gun advocates' message as he apparently had quite the ******* in his mother's home.
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It postulates that the robot may have used a water charge (the Dallas Police haven't elaborated).
Huh, I didn't (still don't, really) think those were so readily available. They're kind of neat to watch, like supercharged Super Soakers.

Apparently a search of Johnson's home found tons of bomb making materials and a "personal journal of combat tactics" Because the best way to stop police violence is to make them more nervous, I guess.
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You people are delusional. This wasn't some lone crazy gunman. This was a planned attack carried out by at least 5 black men closely associated with BLM. Keep your heads in the sand and see how far that gets you in just about every black neighborhood. Their black president is about to be gone and the hood rats are getting restless. But hey let's blame guns or whitey....seems to work for you people.

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Well darn I'm marking this day on the calendar then. Haven't said that about this site in a good 5-6 years.
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Probably not the spaghetti sauce, though. I'd imagine we'd have heard a lot more about it if that were the case.


Hard to talk with a mouth full of delicious, still warm, spaghetti sauce.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc.
Pretty sure that is social media's reaction to everything from terrorist attacks to a store running out of your favorite ice cream.
Pretty much, though they sometimes use different words. "Segregation" is now often called "PoC-Only Safe Spaces", for instance.


What's ironic about this is that I was watching an interview with a BLM member and he was basically arguing that what the black community needed was its own separate economy, with black owned stores, restaurants, businesses, etc, that black people would go to in order to keep the money within the community, and thus enable them to succeed. I don't think he had the historical knowledge to realize that's *exactly* what started segregation. What was annoying is that the journalist interviewing him apparently didn't either.
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The reaction to this on social media now is, of course, calls for re-segregation, deportation of x race (whether or not they're actually US citizens), etc.
Pretty sure that is social media's reaction to everything from terrorist attacks to a store running out of your favorite ice cream.
Pretty much, though they sometimes use different words. "Segregation" is now often called "PoC-Only Safe Spaces", for instance.


What's ironic about this is that I was watching an interview with a BLM member and he was basically arguing that what the black community needed was its own separate economy, with black owned stores, restaurants, businesses, etc, that black people would go to in order to keep the money within the community, and thus enable them to succeed. I don't think he had the historical knowledge to realize that's *exactly* what started segregation. What was annoying is that the journalist interviewing him apparently didn't either.


Err. Actually no. Segregation was implemented to keep blacks down, not provide them their own economy. If "Separate But Equal" were actually equal, we would still be segregated. Blacks fought to end segregation, not to hold hands with their oppressors, but to gain economic support.
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To be fair, reports initially did cite as many as 4 potential gunmen, so the "lone gunman" thing does feel a bit like a narrative shift. Isn't to say that the 1 post wonder isn't crazy, obviously.
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Welp, this is going to turn into one of those threads where Gbaji starts giving his weird revisionist history cobbled together from Heritage Foundation columns and blogs from the American Enterprise Institute, isn't it?


Yeah... that explanation was... special...
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"Economic support" is bad wording, but I'm not sure if I fully agree with the word of equity. Of course to be treated equally under the law and practices, but I would argue that the tensions of the time caused people to prefer independence over equality.
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Welp, this is going to turn into one of those threads where Gbaji starts giving his weird revisionist history cobbled together from Heritage Foundation columns and blogs from the American Enterprise Institute, isn't it?
It's reliable, though. The blogger saw a black person on TV once.
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