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#52 Sep 14 2016 at 5:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think we're ignoring the huge grey area here where a drunk man and a drunk woman have ***.

Assuming you mean consensual sex (setting aside the question of consent under the influence), that's not what happened in this case so it can be safely ignored.


Technically being drunk voids consent, but if people stopped having *** while drunk we'd have a population crisis.

I doubt Tirith is pro rape, but is probably bothered by post-hoc reflection redefining the act.
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#53 Sep 14 2016 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Saying you're not doesn't make it less so.
It's like believing that just saying "No offense" means you can say whatever you want.
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Which case is that?

The one under discussion that actually occurred, obviously.
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#55 Sep 14 2016 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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Saying you're not doesn't make it less so.
It's like believing that just saying "No offense" means you can say whatever you want.


Unless you're a woman. Then we face mansplaining.


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On the other hand, I have to hear dumb manufactured words like "mansplaining" so we all have our crosses to bear.
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#57 Sep 14 2016 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hullo.

Work is slow, thought I'd drop by. I heard nothing had changed here and it seems to be true. So I'll talk about my life.

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On the other hand, I have to hear dumb manufactured words like "mansplaining" so we all have our crosses to bear.


Well "mansplaining" is so silly and cute that it's allowable honey! If we just say you're being a bunch of misogynistic entitled ********, we get a lot more backlash. Using cutesy words is our way of saying, "hey, pretty please don't talk to me like I'm a ******* moron because I'm female...if that's ok with you...cause I don't want to make a big deal out of it or anything..."

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Well "mansplaining" is so silly and cute that it's allowable honey!

Allow me to use small words to explain to you why you're wrong...
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#60 Sep 14 2016 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
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On the other hand, I have to hear dumb manufactured words like "mansplaining" so we all have our crosses to bear.


Well "mansplaining" is so silly and cute that it's allowable honey! If we just say you're being a bunch of misogynistic entitled ********, we get a lot more backlash. Using cutesy words is our way of saying, "hey, pretty please don't talk to me like I'm a ******* moron because I'm female...if that's ok with you...cause I don't want to make a big deal out of it or anything..."

Nexa

I think I just ovulated. That was hot.

In other news, a discussion about a black man protesting racial inequality turns into a mansplain of rape culture. I see nothing's changed.

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There isn't much to discuss in "He sat there."
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Did someone send up the estrogen flare or something?
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#63 Sep 14 2016 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our ovaries started tingling.
#64 Sep 14 2016 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did someone send up the estrogen flare or something?

My uterus started contracting, and that can only mean one of two things: either I'm birthing one of your large-headed children or you're being a feminist in public.

Like a bee to honey.
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#65 Sep 14 2016 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did someone send up the estrogen flare or something?


Don't you worry your pretty little head about that sweetness...ain't your concern...

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Nexa wrote:
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On the other hand, I have to hear dumb manufactured words like "mansplaining" so we all have our crosses to bear.


Well "mansplaining" is so silly and cute that it's allowable honey! If we just say you're being a bunch of misogynistic entitled ********, we get a lot more backlash. Using cutesy words is our way of saying, "hey, pretty please don't talk to me like I'm a ******* moron because I'm female...if that's ok with you...cause I don't want to make a big deal out of it or anything..."

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I would much rather be called misogynistic than have someone use made up words. If I have to go use a dictionary to understand you, I'd like the word to actually ******* exist.
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Don't you worry your pretty little head about that sweetness...ain't your concern...

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Are you flirting with me? I'm a guy and you called me "sweetness" in passing so that means we're gonna fuck now, right? We better 'cause I'm pretty sure that you owe me. I read it on Breitbart.
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#68 Sep 14 2016 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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In any case, the only scientifically proven anti-rape method is to limit social connections with men as much as possible, as the vast majority of rapes are done by men known to the victim.
So this whole living in the parents basement and not talking to other people is a good thing then?
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Plus your mom might bring you Hot Pockets.
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#70 Sep 14 2016 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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What we need is, men to learn to not think they have a right to *** with women. I shouldn't have to worry that by telling someone, I'm not interested in them, they may get angry and assault me.


You need to learn you ain't gonna educate people like that (except maybe with the **** of a pistol). They know what they are doing. They don't care. They ain't EVER gonna care. If you associate with society be prepared to defend yourself and bring a friend.
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#71 Sep 14 2016 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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On the other hand, I have to hear dumb manufactured words like "mansplaining" so we all have our crosses to bear.


Well "mansplaining" is so silly and cute that it's allowable honey! If we just say you're being a bunch of misogynistic entitled ********, we get a lot more backlash. Using cutesy words is our way of saying, "hey, pretty please don't talk to me like I'm a ******* moron because I'm female...if that's ok with you...cause I don't want to make a big deal out of it or anything..."

Nexa
I would much rather be called misogynistic than have someone use made up words. If I have to go use a dictionary to understand you, I'd like the word to actually ******* exist.


All words are made up. Language is fluid. If you can't figure out what "mansplaining" is from context without consulting a dictionary, I can womansplain it to you.

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#72 Sep 14 2016 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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If you can't figure out what "mansplaining" is from context without consulting a dictionary, I can womansplain it to you.

Nexa



Ricky Ricardo approved Smiley: thumbsup


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#73 Sep 14 2016 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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I can womansplain it to you.Nexa
Believe you just did.
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#74 Sep 14 2016 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Mansplaining" is one of those handy words that lets me know I can mentally check out for a while or skip clicking on that article.
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#75 Sep 14 2016 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
"Mansplaining" is one of those handy words that lets me know I can mentally check out for a while or skip clicking on that article.
That list of words and phrases is getting longer every day. "Kyriarchy" being the newest one for me.

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"Kyriarchy" being the newest one for me.

I think we battled some of those in an AD&D campaign once.
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I don't like you, for introducing me to that word.
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I, on the other hand, plan to start using it as casually as possible.

The McDonald's kyriarchy refused to accept my expired coupon for a free small fry.
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#79 Sep 14 2016 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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"Kyriarchy" being the newest one for me.

I think we battled some of those in an AD&D campaign once.


I see you took a trip to the Underdark.
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In any case, the only scientifically proven anti-rape method is to limit social connections with men as much as possible, as the vast majority of rapes are done by men known to the victim.
So this whole living in the parents basement and not talking to other people is a good thing then?


**** yeah. Nothing bad can happen to you indoors, that's why I haven't left my house in ten years.
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#81 Sep 15 2016 at 7:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
"Mansplaining" is one of those handy words that lets me know I can mentally check out for a while or skip clicking on that article.


Well get to work on absorbing these because I don't care how ******** they are..I'm working them into everyday conversation in the hope that they'll simmer in the undercurrent of feminist linguistic innovation and will, in time, reach you in some other place and context and then you'll think of me and you'll know...

The worst types of workplace sexists—and how to fight them

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Nexa wrote:
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"Mansplaining" is one of those handy words that lets me know I can mentally check out for a while or skip clicking on that article.


Well get to work on absorbing these because I don't care how ******** they are..I'm working them into everyday conversation in the hope that they'll simmer in the undercurrent of feminist linguistic innovation ...


That is sooooo fetch!
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Well get to work on absorbing these...

Wha?
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#84 Sep 15 2016 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well get to work on absorbing these...

Wha?


Who?

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#85 Sep 16 2016 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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Next, mind taking Jophiel back to the old folks home? That would be great, yeah.
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#86 Sep 16 2016 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Next, mind taking Jophiel back to the old folks home? That would be great, yeah.


What are you up to these days anyway? I can't keep track of any of you people but your proximity makes me nervous. Smiley: dubious

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Next, mind taking Jophiel back to the old folks home? That would be great, yeah.


What are you up to these days anyway? I can't keep track of any of you people but your proximity makes me nervous. Smiley: dubious

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Actually, it took me a while to realize that the "these" I was supposed to absorb were the Social Justice Snigglets in the link. I'm going to pass on that Smiley: laugh
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Well, I absorbed them into my Ignore List.
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Actually, it took me a while to realize that the "these" I was supposed to absorb were the Social Justice Snigglets in the link. I'm going to pass on that Smiley: laugh


Oh come on! Stenographucker!? No?

Smiley: glare

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Well, I absorbed them into my Ignore List.


This why I send out a call to the AllaFems. When I was growing up, we called men like this, Male Chauvinist Pigs. My sisters, mother and I specially loved to use it on our male family members.
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Good luck with that.
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This why I send out a call to the AllaFems. When I was growing up, we called men like this, Male Chauvinist Pigs. My sisters, mother and I specially loved to use it on our male family members.

Have you tried calling them Stenographuckers?

Better yet, send it to them in an email and wait to see how long it takes before someone asks if you had a stroke while typing your message.
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Have you tried calling them Stenographuckers?
And just after you proclaimed you weren't going to. Way to be corrupted by the kyriarchy.
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Is it still manterrupter if i do it to everyone or am I just an interrupting *******?
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Is it still manterrupter if i do it to everyone or am I just an interrupting *******?


MOOOO!

Oh wait, sorry, I live with a four year old.

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Is it still manterrupter if i do it to everyone or am I just an interrupting *******?


MOOOO!

Oh wait, sorry, I live with a four year old.

Nexa


I hope you made her walk the plank.

(for mutiny, moo-tiny, get it? ha ha...buehler?)
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Anyway, what have you & Smash been up to?
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Anyway, what have you & Smash been up to?


Raising spoiled children and complaining about how entitled they are, mostly.

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So when gbaji's sister is roofied and raped behind a bar...


Given that an ambulance was on scene for the woman within 30-40 minutes of leaving the club/bar/whatever, and they proceeded to do a full rape kit on her at the hospital, and there's been no mention of any sort of roofie involved, your analogy isn't accurate. I do love how you guys insist on adding extra conditions to this sort of thing. If she had actually been roofied, then it would be a different case. Her own actions would have had zero bearing on the outcome. She could just as easily been roofied and assaulted while studying at the library as partying at a club.

But in this case, his guilt aside, she drank all that alcohol on her own. That's the behavior I'm talking about.
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I'm merely pointing out the unfortunate social reality that it's far easier for each potential victim to take steps to avoid becoming a victim then to attempt to prevent any potential assailant from choosing to assault them.


Really, I should have to dress in baggy clothes that hide my figure and not drink in public, to avoid rape?


Holy **** is that an excluded middle. Um... How about not getting drunk, making out with some guy you just met on the dance floor, and then leaving with him, all while in a state in which you are incapable of making good judgements.

The idea of relying on a potential assailant to *not* take advantage of such a situation seems like a really really really dumb approach. Again, the counter point I made was that given her own actions, if that particular guy hadn't been there that night and assaulted her, there's a high probability that it would have been some other guy who assaulted her instead.

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What we need is, men to learn to not think they have a right to *** with women. I shouldn't have to worry that by telling someone, I'm not interested in them, they may get angry and assault me.


By that logic, the best way to prevent muggings is to just teach people to stop mugging other people. Heck. We could solve all crime with this novel approach! Why didn't we think of this before? Oh wait. It's because it doesn't work. You're relying on trying to prevent a given crime by teaching the potential criminals not to commit the crime. Note, this does not mean I'm excusing the criminal behavior at all. I am, however, saying that in a world where people do commit all sorts of different crimes, it's a terrifically stupid idea to put yourself in a position where you're an easy victim for criminals.

It's equally dumb to leave your windows rolled down and an iPhone in plain view. Or walk around a bad part of town with hundred dollar bills hanging out of your pockets. None of those behaviors excuse the inevitable criminal behavior which will result. But doing so massively increases your odds of being victimized.

My issue with this line of thinking (and oddly only in this case of this one particular crime) is that it has the side effect of convincing women that since they should be safe to get as drunk as they want at a dance club because men should know better than the assault them, that they're more likely to actually engage in exactly the behavior which increases their odds of being assaulted. It's perverse. It's the kind of thing you'd tell people if you wanted them to become victims. Why do that? Certainly, go after men who assault women. But why not also teach women some common sense things to do in the cases where they run into a man who isn't going to follow the rules? I just don't get the knee jerk negative reaction to this.
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