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#1152 Apr 05 2018 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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So apparently we're doing the whole "Send the National Guard to drive back and forth in Arizona" plan that worked oh-so-well the last two times. Oregon's governor already says she won't do it. More importantly (to me) pretty sure Cuomo won't as well.
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#1153 Apr 05 2018 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guess Rachel Maddow has the highest watched cable news show now, beating out Hannity for ratings.
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#1154 Apr 05 2018 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Guess those Presidential Tweets of Approval aren't what they used to be.
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#1155 Apr 06 2018 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Approval from this president is a pretty clear sign you're about to get thrown under the bus. You know how the saying goes, The road to **** is paved with the bodies of your allies and supporters.
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#1156 Apr 09 2018 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Trump is hard at work again making new jobs in the attorney industry as his lawyers need more lawyers.
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FBI agents on Monday raided the Manhattan office of President Trump’s private lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records about Cohen’s clients, including those related to a 2016 payment he made to adult-film star Stormy Daniels, who claims to have had a sexual encounter with Trump.

Among the documents seized were privileged communications between Cohen and his clients — including those with Trump, according to a person familiar with the investigators’ work. Investigators took Cohen’s computer, phone and personal financial records as part of the search of his office at Rockefeller Center, the person said.

Bank fraud and campaign finance violations
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#1157 Apr 09 2018 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Bank fraud and campaign finance violations Russian Collusion, Russian Collusion!
For a Liberal Conspiracy, you aren't Liberalling very well here.


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#1158 Apr 10 2018 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Bank fraud and campaign finance violations Russian Collusion, Russian Collusion!
For a Liberal Conspiracy, you aren't Liberalling very well here.
Clearly Al Capone is behind this administration.
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#1159 Apr 10 2018 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bank fraud and campaign finance irregularities are what they're pursuing on Cohen (apparently, based on the documents they asked for in the warrant).

That's not the end goal. They're looking to flip Cohen, and if they do, he knows nearly everything that Trump knows.

Including, yes, about the Russians. He was the bag man and allegedly the negotiator for at least some of the alleged foreign-money type campaign shenanigans.

But, you know, we'll see. This may be Watergate, or then again it may be Whitewater.
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#1160 Apr 10 2018 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, it's one way to get trump's taxes released.
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#1161 Apr 10 2018 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was thinking that yesterday. "What if... Trump's taxes were in Cohen's possession!"

But it appears Cohen is as much a fixer as a lawyer for Trump. Alas, he probably doesn't have much to do with his taxes. NDAs, sure. Payoffs, a little campaign money laundering, probably.
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#1162 Apr 10 2018 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Bank fraud and campaign finance irregularities are what they're pursuing on Cohen (apparently, based on the documents they asked for in the warrant).


Those are the issues they're more or less forced to investigate, due pretty much entirely to public pressure (and where do you suppose that is coming from?)

All of this is about affecting public opinion. The reality is that if you looked closely enough at pretty much any lawyer or staff member connected to any political campaign, you could find sufficient evidence to justify such a warrant. The difference between who gets raided and who isn't is pretty much purely driven by who's name is being pushed in front of the public by the media, and thus who's being demanded to be investigated.

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That's not the end goal. They're looking to flip Cohen, and if they do, he knows nearly everything that Trump knows.


Which wont happen. They know it wont happen. This is about the same thing all of the other warrants, testimony, allegations and whatnot have been about: Feeding public perception (or deriving from it). The fact that every single time something like this happens, the immediate assumption in the public perception is "this is important! It means he'll flip on Trump and then we'll know the secrets of <whatever>", is your first clue that this perception is exactly the purpose.

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Including, yes, about the Russians. He was the bag man and allegedly the negotiator for at least some of the alleged foreign-money type campaign shenanigans.


There will be plenty of things that will appear to be "foreign-money type campaign shenanigans", for the simple reason that anyone who does any business with foreign companies will have documents that can be presented to the public as though they are somehow "shenanigans". OMG! He did... business... with the Russians! It must be significant! Let's all talk about how significant this must be and speculate about how this could be something wrong, illegal, or whatever.

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But, you know, we'll see. This may be Watergate, or then again it may be Whitewater.


Legally? Neither. In the media? Both! Or worse! Whatever. At the end of the day, the real problem here is that you have an investigation that has nothing to do with pursuing a violation of a written law, and everything to do about digging up speculation about a politician. I'm still waiting for someone to even come up with the actual legal statute that they think Trump may have violated here. Hint: There isn't one. There's no law called "Russian Collusion". Not unless you get into areas of passing secrets to a foreign government, which even the most absurd conspiracy theories aren't suggesting.

You guys actually think there weren't foreign governments who wanted Obama to be elected instead of a GOP alternative? You don't think those governments funded issues based advertisement in favor of positions Obama held? You don't think that every candidate for president has supporters and detractors around the world who engage in this sort of thing? You're naive if you think that. Of course foreign governments have an interest in our presidential elections because who sits in that office affects foreign policy of the US, which affects them. Of course they fund organizations inside the US who in turn advocate for positions and issues connected to those politicians, just like anyone else can and does.

This is not illegal. It's never been illegal. It is, at best, a political issue to argue that "so and so is liked by country A, and we don't like country A, so by association we should not like so and so". Which, um, has been tried, but is a hard sell to make in this case, and especially in this election, where all of the evidence shows that the Russians assumed that Clinton would win, and put all of their efforts into putting themselves into the best position they could when she did.

The Russians were not trying to help Trump win the freaking election people. The Russians were trying to weaken Clinton as a president by running with the whole "stolen election" bit. That's what the leaked emails were about. At the risk of repeating a previously made point, if you actually bother to read the entire intelligence report on "Russian meddling", it details this. Because of this, there's more or less zero possibility of any evidence of "Russian Collusion" between Trump and the Russians. And certainly nothing that comes remotely close to anything illegal. Because nothing the Russians were doing required any interaction with the Trump campaign. They would have no reason to do this. Any more than they'd have reason to interact with the Sanders campaign in order to push the idea that Clinton and the DNC "fixed" the primaries. It's the same thing.


So what we'll keep getting is more and more nibbling around the edges, all the while ignoring that the supposed primary point of the investigation is complete nonsense. At this point, it's an investigation for the purpose of having an investigation, and it'll continue as long as there's political value to being able to put "under investigation" as part of the byline whenever speaking about Trump, the White House, and anyone close to him.

But hey. Let's just keep speculating that "this time", it'll be meaningful. It wont.
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#1163 Apr 10 2018 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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It it totally just a show for the unwashed masses. I, for one, see through this brazen propaganda and political priming. This is but a speck on a brilliant career of Maximum President Donald John Trump ( may he tweet for 10 thousand years ).



Your face may soon become so red. I don't have money on that. I do have money on Sessions though.
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gbaji wrote:
All of this is about affecting public opinion. The reality is that if you looked closely enough at pretty much any lawyer or staff member connected to any political campaign, you could find sufficient evidence to justify such a warrant. The difference between who gets raided and who isn't is pretty much purely driven by who's name is being pushed in front of the public by the media, and thus who's being demanded to be investigated.

Join us next week for another edition of Things Desperate People Tell Themselves To Talk Themselves Down...
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#1165 Apr 10 2018 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I was thinking that yesterday. "What if... Trump's taxes were in Cohen's possession!"

But it appears Cohen is as much a fixer as a lawyer for Trump. Alas, he probably doesn't have much to do with his taxes. NDAs, sure. Payoffs, a little campaign money laundering, probably.

Ok, maybe I got a bit excited when it mentioned tax documents. There's plenty more juicy stuff there, I'm sure.
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Paul Ryan is jumping ship and will not be running for reelection this year.
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An amusing, off-the-record conversation between Erick Erikson and a GOP congressman:
GOP Congressman wrote:
I read you writing about this, about wanting to say nice things when you can and criticize when you need to. He may be an idiot, but he's still the President and leader of my party and he is capable of doing some things right [...] But dammit he's taking us all down with him. We are well and truly f**ked in November. Kevin [McCarthy] is already circling like a green fly circling sh*t trying to take Paul's [Ryan] job because nobody thinks he's sticking around for Nancy [Pelosi]. She's going to f**k up the cafeteria again too. [Lord's name in vain], at least I'll probably lose too and won't have to put up with that sh*t.
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It's like Forrest Gump won the presidency, but an evil, really f*cking stupid Forrest Gump. He can't help himself. He's just a f**king idiot who thinks he's winning when people are b*tching about him. He really does see the world as ratings and attention. I hate Forrest Gump.
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Judiciary is stacked with a bunch of people who can win re-election so long as they don't **** off Trump voters in the primary. But if we get to summer and most of the primaries are over, they just might pull the trigger if the President fires Mueller. The sh*t will hit the fan if that happens and I'd vote to impeach him myself. Most of us would, I think. ****, all the Democrats would and you only need a majority in the House. If we're going to lose because of him, we might as well impeach the motherf**ker. Take him out with us and let Mike [Pence] take over. At least then we could sleep well at night
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I say a lot of **** on TV defending him, even over this. But honestly, I wish the motherf*cker would just go away. We're going to lose the House, lose the Senate, and lose a bunch of states because of him. All his supporters will blame us for what we have or have not done, but he hasn't led. He wakes up in the morning, sh*ts all over Twitter, sh*ts all over us, sh*ts all over his staff, then hits golf balls. F*ck him. Of course, I can't say that in public or I'd get run out of town.

Seems fitting on the same day that we learn the House Speaker is calling it quits.
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#1168 Apr 11 2018 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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Doofus got kicked in front of the bus and people are wondering why he doesn't want to spend more time under it.
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It's like Forrest Gump won the presidency, but an evil, really f*cking stupid Forrest Gump.
Forrest Grump. A lot catchier than just 45.
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You're pretty much the only person I know that brags about their infinite loop error.

Edited, Apr 11th 2018 1:09pm by lolgaxe
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#1169 Apr 11 2018 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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John Boehner's new gig is pushing weed.

Maybe Ryan will spend his days selling Molly or whatever the kids are doing these days. Tide pods, I guess.
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#1170 Apr 11 2018 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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What would it be like to wake up from a coma after five years and be told, "Donald Trump is president and John Boehner's selling cannabis"?
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#1171 Apr 11 2018 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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I woke up this morning and that sentence is already surreal enough.

Edited, Apr 11th 2018 1:34pm by lolgaxe
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#1172 Apr 11 2018 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not sure he knows he is the president. Mostly just seems to complain a lot and fires random people, like his reality show never ended.

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Doofus got kicked in front of the bus and people are wondering why he doesn't want to spend more time under it.
Does anyone even like Ryan any more? It seems all the crazies boarded the Trump Train, and the moderates are too busy siding with the Democrats on anything of importance.
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#1173 Apr 11 2018 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did anyone ever like him? If I believed in lizard people, Paul Ryan would be their representative.
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#1174 Apr 11 2018 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought he was the darling of fiscal conservatives, you know, like back in the day of Romney and friends. I'm terrible at keeping track of these things though.
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#1175 Apr 11 2018 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Did anyone ever like him? If I believed in lizard people, Paul Ryan would be their representative.

I thought that was Ted “Theodore” Cruz
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#1176 Apr 11 2018 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ryan sold out the traditional wing of the GOP by capitulating to anything under Trump so Ryan could get his precious tax cuts even if that meant making the GOP into the Party of Trump. Now that those are passed and the party is floundering, he's skipping town before their disastrous impact can be felt. He's just a coward.

Senator Corker is calling his vote on the tax bill perhaps the worst of his career in the face of nearly two trillion dollars in new deficits as a result. Of course, Corker is leaving Congress as well.

You might recall that Ryan was the one who once created a laughable "budget" and then had his friends at the Heritage Foundation score it for him because no reputable agency would say "Oh yeah, we should totally assume 2% unemployment under your numbers..."

Edited, Apr 11th 2018 2:56pm by Jophiel
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