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#1277 Sep 21 2017 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Comic book magic.
First, let me go back and say this about Logan: It didn't even really dawn on me that X-24 was fully infused with adamantium like Logan was. I thought maybe just his claws, like Laura. I figured that was why his head explodes like a watermelon. That's what a hollowpoint magnum round does to a skull (Just reiterating my frustration at the idea of an indestructable metal expanding from impact here. That's the physics that my brain can't get around.). But I still headcanon the reason it killed was more to do with how his healing factor was at it's lowest efficiency and less about the projectile's material. Kind of a stupid decision by the scientists, a second (twenty-fourth?) Wolverine with even less conscience.

But back to the point. I still disagree, the gun physics do already exist without the need for super science comic book magic. The problem isn't the gun, or even 99% of the bullet, but with the durability of a fictional metal projectile. Domino argument: If A is possible (if adamantium can damage adamantium), then A's possibility makes B possible, and so on and so forth. At the end of this debate, I just want to point out I don't really accept that A is possible. I'm just conceding that if A were possible, then the Redhawk and Night Special would be handguns that could fire the necessary rounds to make it happen. Higher grade propellants already exist for larger caliber weapons, so if anything you could just load the round with one of those since you wouldn't have to worry about the extra heat warping/melting the projectile. The physics are there. Which really begs the question: If A were possible then why didn't someone just coat a cannonball and blast Wolverine? Probably because the movie would end in two seconds.

"Look, there's Wolverine!"
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"... and there, and there, and there ..."

Actually, why didn't they use cannons in the first place? His bones are coated, not his joints. It wouldn't keep his limbs attached. Really sloppy assassination attempts.
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First episode was pretty good, especially if you consider that creepypasta is just a high school kid's crowd-sourced fanfiction. Felt the swinging camera single room photography for the second room really turned the creepiness up a notch. Of course, then the commercials kill any built up tension. Also can it really be called a jump scare if it's telegraphed worse than the punches in a Hogan / Ultimate Warrior match?

It's been made official: Joss Whedon has cut out Lex Luthor from Justice League. So no Eisenburg ... which as far as characters good riddance. Of all the faults in BvS, he was a pretty freakin' huge one. Not sure how it'll affect the overall narrative of JL, or the DCEU in general, but I'm not complaining.

Nothing is set in stone, but according to RenewCancelTV ABC has already canceled The Inhumans. The network is promoting it as "the complete series" instead of "the first season."

20th Century Fox CEO Stacey Snider recently described the upcoming New Mutants movie as "The Shining with horny teenagers."
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Maybe they're trying to push for an R rating?

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#1278 Sep 21 2017 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Wolverine Death Joke SpoilerActually, why didn't they use cannons in the first place? His bones are coated, not his joints. It wouldn't keep his limbs attached. Really sloppy assassination attempts.


Didn't you post somewhere back in the years of this thread about how Prof. X had some note about Wolverine, that the only way to kill him would be to separate his head from his body, and, keep it separated? I assumed the idea there being that his mutant healing factor was so powerful that no amount of dismemberment was permanent, and given time and proximity, he would be stitched back together?


Edit: Sounds like Inhumans just wasn't meant to be. Movie pushed to Series, potentially pushed to failed series, before even airing. Seems that the SHIELD story line progression and the original Movie Universe layouts didn't mesh together well.

I'm sure Disney will continue with their animated shows to cover what they want with the characters.

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I just assumed X-24 had an adamantium skeleton because why would you send a squishy calcium skeleton guy to fight Wolverine? But the Wiki backs it up that his skeleton was shiny and bright.

I didn't bother looking for Laura but I assumed she was claws-only because otherwise she'd be 4' 2" forever.
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#1280 Sep 21 2017 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't you post somewhere back in the years of this thread about how Prof. X had some note about Wolverine, that the only way to kill him would be to separate his head from his body, and, keep it separated?
I don't think so, but maybe? Alternate timeline/dimension Wolverines are constantly having their hands pulled off and being torn in half by a Hulk and not growing back new appendages so that should kill him. Deadpool has been decapitated a couple of times, and they put his head back on his shoulders (backwards once) and he came back to life, but his healing factor is jacked up to 13 because of a curse (that truth be told I don't even know if it's still canon anymore). Right now the defacto "How to kill Healing Factor" answer is to drown them or encase them in adamantium like a statue (which is basically the same thing: death by asphyxiation).

You know, until they're status quo'd back to life.


Just watched the first episode of the new Ducktales. David Tennant as Scrooge was good, and Donald losing his crap is always a plus, but the rest of the characters just didn't feel natural.

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They've been showing the first episode of the new Duck Tales on/off for a month or so now. Looks like the actual series is starting up now though, with episodes 2 and 3 airing this weekend on Disney XD. I set it to record. I liked the pilot enough, when I first saw it the voices of the kids threw me off a bit. But I think I'll get over it.

As for the Wolverine stuff. After a quick search, turns out the info was from something called the "Xavier Protocols". Something Prof. X made as ways to defeat the X-Men in situations where they become a threat. For Wolverine, it recommended Decapitation from long range, and keeping the head separate from the body to avoid it reattaching. But also mentions it's from a timeline/universe where either Wolverine never got the Adamantium Skeleton, or it was removed. So his healing factor was drastically increased. (Apparently the Adamantium being poisonous and reducing his healing factor wasn't something unique to the movie).
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#1282 Sep 21 2017 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem isn't the gun, or even 99% of the bullet, but with the durability of a fictional metal projectile. Domino argument: If A is possible (if adamantium can damage adamantium), then A's possibility makes B possible, and so on and so forth.


Yup. Agree 100%. My issue is that I don't believe that A is possible. There's nothing specifically about adamantium that makes it any better at damaging adamantium than any other material. At least, none that I've ever read or heard in the comics themselves (ie: outside of the use of the adamantium bullet in two Wolverine films, which doesn't count here cause I'm criticizing that very use). Adamantium is supposed to be completely indestructible. More precisely, it's immune to damage from physical impacts of any type. Presumably, some forms of energy, cosmic powers, magic, etc, could affect it. But no matter how hard you hit it or slice it, it will not break. Period. Full stop.

This is why the Silver Samurai's Katana had some kind of special glow/energy/whatever. That's what allowed it cut through his claws, not the fact that it was made of adamantium.

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I'm just conceding that if A were possible, then the Redhawk and Night Special would be handguns that could fire the necessary rounds to make it happen. Higher grade propellants already exist for larger caliber weapons, so if anything you could just load the round with one of those since you wouldn't have to worry about the extra heat warping/melting the projectile. The physics are there.


Absolutely. Again, my issue is that adamantium is always described as being completely immune to physical damage. So doing "more" physical damage than a normal gun, even "a lot more", does not, and can not make this work. Which is the part that bugs me about not just one, but two films deciding to completely toss out decades of established canon from the comic book source they are based on.

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Actually, why didn't they use cannons in the first place? His bones are coated, not his joints. It wouldn't keep his limbs attached. Really sloppy assassination attempts.


Yeah. Hence my annoyance with the whole adamantium bullet thing. There are ways to get around his adamantium bones. You don't have to go "through", the adamantim, break it, blast it, cut it, etc. You just have to kill the person. As you mention, dismemberment is totally possible. Asphyxiation works (apparently takes quite some time, and there's still a chance he might "wake up" though). Melting his body in acid works (and gets you a cool adamantium skeleton for your trophy case!). Burning him until all the flesh is gone works.

Basically, anything other than shooting him with bullets, or attacking him with other physical weapons (knives, swords, baseball bats, etc). So they went in which direction? Yeah. Annoying.


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#1283 Sep 22 2017 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
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That's what allowed it cut through his claws, not the fact that it was made of adamantium.
Well, it was that it was both adamantium and ... something. I remember it was something stupid that didn't make sense to me, but it was also definitely adamantium.
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Which is the part that bugs me about not just one, but two films deciding to completely toss out decades of established canon from the comic book source they are based on.
Sure, but that's why we're wrong. We're basing our interpretation on the decades of established canon. The movies aren't. The comics established that even Rune God Thor, using all of his Allfather-tier power, can only barely dent adamantium (and you need a microscope to see the dent), and adamantium hits adamantium all the time to no effect. The movies have decided to make the metal less durable. And I get it, they wanted to "be grounded" so the audience "could relate" to a more realistic interpretation.

Pretty minor, considering what they did with Darwin in First Class. Now that was rage inducing reinterpretation.
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Apparently the Adamantium being poisonous and reducing his healing factor wasn't something unique to the movie
It's pretty ridiculous, too. The time Magneto pulled it out of Wolverine's body his healing factor kicked up so high that it de-evolved him into a cavebub. Because someone thought that was cool. But a bigger plot hole in the books is that Bullseye has some of his bones fused with adamantium as well, yet he's never dealt with poisoning.

Gotham: Why exactly was Selena walking down an alley in the 1980s? The "Batman appears and disappears after meeting Gordan" scene was a nice touch. Feel like I'm going to enjoy Scarecrow's arc, but so far Gotham has a tendency to start strong and end weak. Also that was the first episode of The Orville I saw, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it was stupid bad even by it's own subpar standards, yes? It's not like I've never seen a standard sitcom PSA episode or two in my time but ... that was just beyond bad. Well, that was the fastest a show went on and off my dvr so I guess it accomplished something.

Reports are coming in that Kiersey Clemons' Iris West has also been cut from the Justice League. Joss Whedon is apparently weed whackin' the hell out of the film, what with Lex's cut confirmation.

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Also that was the first episode of The Orville I saw, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it was stupid bad even by it's own subpar standards, yes? It's not like I've never seen a standard sitcom PSA episode or two in my time but ... that was just beyond bad. Well, that was the fastest a show went on and off my dvr so I guess it accomplished something.


The other two episodes were not spectacular by any means. But yes, the "It's a Girl" episode was way more Moral-Preachy than the other two. Hard to tell if that episode was supposed to be Pro-Female or Anti-Trans-Child...

Also, I think this week's episode of OK KO inadvertently had a "Pro Civil War Statue / Confederate Flag" message...


Character 1: I don't know how I can still feel attached to something I know is bad.
Character 2: Maybe... maybe we're bad?
Character 1: Or maybe... we can appreciate what's good about <racist item> while still recognizing their faults. We don't have to <destroy racist item>. We can like them for what they mean to us!
Character 2: I'm so glad this is solved now!
*Star Fade Out*

The item in question was an item that was actually designed and built by people using stereotypes about a race that existed in that world...


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#1285 Sep 22 2017 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Pretty minor, considering what they did with Darwin in First Class. Now that was rage inducing reinterpretation.


You're never letting that one go, are you? I get it though. One really glaring thing in what was otherwise a really excellent film becomes a bigger letdown than it might otherwise be.


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Apparently the Adamantium being poisonous and reducing his healing factor wasn't something unique to the movie
It's pretty ridiculous, too. The time Magneto pulled it out of Wolverine's body his healing factor kicked up so high that it de-evolved him into a cavebub. Because someone thought that was cool. But a bigger plot hole in the books is that Bullseye has some of his bones fused with adamantium as well, yet he's never dealt with poisoning.


This got retconned a bit I think. The original issue came up during the whole Genosia arc where Logan's mutant powers were disabled. It wasn't that the adamantium was poisoning him, but that because his entire bone structure was coated in adamantium, making them non-porous, so his bones couldn't naturally produce white blood cells (I think?). Which meant he got progressively weaker and sicker and would eventually die. This is part of the reason why full bone/adamantium grafting is so rare. Even if one is strong enough to survive the initial procedure, if you don't have some kind of sufficiently powerful healing factor to compensate, you'll die over time. This is presumably why Sabertooth was told he wouldn't survive in Origins (which annoyed him). The implication there was that he was physically stronger and tougher than Logan, but Logan's healing was much stronger and faster.

It's not an issue for Bulleye because only some of his vertebrate were fused with adamantium, not his entire bone structure. He's got enough normal healthy bones, with sufficient marrow in them, to allow for normal production of white blood cells.

It was never originally about adamantium being poisonous on its own. I can't speak to them changing it over time. Even the whole thing in Old Man Logan I always assumed to be that as he got older, his healing factor had gradually gotten weaker, to the point where it couldn't counteract the effect of the absence of white blood cells. This is a case of the retcon creating conflicts and contradictions that weren't there in the original version. And yeah, almost certainly a case of a writer wanting to write something a certain way, with zero regard for what had been the before, and what side effects it might have.

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Also that was the first episode of The Orville I saw, but I'm going to go ahead and assume it was stupid bad even by it's own subpar standards, yes? It's not like I've never seen a standard sitcom PSA episode or two in my time but ... that was just beyond bad. Well, that was the fastest a show went on and off my dvr so I guess it accomplished something.


Seemed like they were going for equal opportunity offensiveness. I'm pretty sure every "side" of multiple aspects of that issue came out of that resolution pretty unhappy.

On the flip side, it was interesting to see what I thought was a series based on pure slapstick and farce tackle a social issue like that. Not sure they handled it right, but it was "interesting". I'd say it was almost refreshing for them to *not* go with the stock "everyone realizes how wrong what they were doing is, changes their mind, and we have a happy ending". Almost. I'm sure most folks just raged about it though.
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#1286 Sep 25 2017 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
You're never letting that one go, are you?
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Seemed like they were going for equal opportunity offensiveness.
I don't know anything about that. None of it seemed all that offensive, considering the storyline. I thought the resolution of the episode was fine too, no asspull or anything of the like. It's just that ... none of it was funny. Even the old sitcom PSA episodes had some jokes in them. They might not have been exceptionally funny but they were there. This whole episode was devoid of anything resembling jokes.
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It wasn't that the adamantium was poisoning him, but that because his entire bone structure was coated in adamantium, making them non-porous, so his bones couldn't naturally produce white blood cells (I think?).
Nah, that was accounted for. The process that bonded the adamantium to Wolverine's skeleton combined with his healing factor changed the properties of the metal into "Adamantium-Beta," which is just like True Adamantium, but doesn't inhibit the biological processes of bone.

Speaking of Seth MacFarlene, he recently did an AMA on Reddit and was asked about the status of his Flintstones live action project from 2013.
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I watched the two episodes of the new Duck Tales over the weekend. And enjoyed them. But oddly enough, the 3rd episode didn't have the Red one in it at all... (Huey?) Not even in passing, or at the beginning. Webby is probably the best character so far.

I think I have to tune into DisneyXD more often. Seems that it's mostly Marvel cartoons mixed with Phineas/Ferb reruns and Milo Murphy's Law (Which, apparently has Weird Al voicing the main character). And unlike Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon, I don't have to wait a week if I miss (recording) a show. They re-air episodes every few hours. Disney must not have a show like Spongebob or Teen Titans Go that they force on every available minute instead of their other shows.
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#1288 Sep 26 2017 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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Looks like Teen Titans Go is getting a feature length movie.

There's also a rumor that Matt Damon might have a cameo in Thor: Ragnarok. According to the source: "There's a scene set on Asgard in which we watch an Asgardian theater production that essentially recounts the entirety of Thor 1, like as a play. And in this theater piece, the role of Loki is played by an Asgardian actor played by Matt Damon."

Spide-Man: Homecoming gag reel.

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#1289 Sep 27 2017 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Hannah John-Kamen (or her stunt double) dressed in her Ghost costume in Ant-Man & The Wasp. Also bonus points for Paul Rudd's stunt double in costume as well.
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There's also a rumor that Matt Damon might have a cameo in Thor: Ragnarok. According to the source: "There's a scene set on Asgard in which we watch an Asgardian theater production that essentially recounts the entirety of Thor 1, like as a play. And in this theater piece, the role of Loki is played by an Asgardian actor played by Matt Damon."


A preview of Matt Damon's scene in Thor Ragnarok.
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SyFy ordered Image Comics' Deadly Class to pilot, and it'll be directed by the Russo brothers.
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It's 1987. Marcus Lopez hates school. His grades suck. He has no money. The jocks are hasslig his friends. He can't focus in class, thanks to his mind constantly drifting to the stunning girl in the front row and the Dag Nasty show he has tickets to. But the jocks are the children of Joseph Stalin's top assassin, the teachers are the members of an ancient league of assassins, the class he's failing is "Dismemberment 101," and his crush, a member of the most notorious crime syndicate in Japan, has a double-digit body count.

Welcome to the most brutal high school on Earth, where the world's top crime families send the next generation of assassins to be trained. Killing is a craft. At King's Dominion High School for the Deadly Arts, the dagger in your back isn't always metaphorical, nor is your fellow classmates' poison.
The Mist has been effectively cancelled. It had some things going for it, but the pacing made it like marathoning just the boring stretches of The Walking Dead. And we already have Fear The Walking Dead for that.

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I never got around to Ant-Man. Is it any good? Felt like it sort of came and went without much notice.
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#1294 Sep 28 2017 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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It's pretty middle-of-the-road (relatively) stand-alone origin movie that doesn't take itself too serious, with in my opinion a bit above average humor and a below average villain. The ants are pretty cute, and I enjoyed Michael Pena's narrations. I thought it was worth the movie ticket price.
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What lolgaxe said. It's a fun film, has good pacing, is internally consistent, etc. I's got a good balance of laughs and serious stuff. Well worth the time to watch IMO. And it does fit in to the larger Marvel universe stuff, so it's a good idea to watch just so you're not like "who is this guy?".

I've had a similar issue with most of the Fall Marvel releases. It's hard to find time to see them in the theaters (at least with my schedule), so I usually only see them when they get released to cable, or I buy them on bluray (cause I'm a sucker and buy most of the Marvel stuff just for completeness sake). Not sure exactly why Fall is always a bad time, but it just seems to work out that way.
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Orville's federation thing apparently doesn't have a "Prime Directive". Or if they do they don't even pretend to care about it like TNG did most of the time until it suited them otherwise. So they went from last week's "Our set ways won't be swayed by a single surprise witness, it will take time" to this week's "Million people living in a society that doesn't know the universe exists beyond their visible world has their world turned up side down and everything is OK."

OK. I mean, overall I guess I liked the episode enough. It was probably the best out of the four so far. The comedy has really taken a back seat (Almost nothing funny this episode). And the adventure drama part is still not all that impressive. Probably cause I'm still expecting something funny instead.


Channel Zero episode 2. A bit too much talky for me. With the whole "I needed you to be there, not go to college!" between the girl friends. But Fake-Not-Loser Guy really wanted to taste that Ice Cream. Am-Loser guy was not very smart.

And Fake-Dad was literally eating the daughter's memories. I was expecting the Dad to start creating the world that the Daughter wanted to make her more likely to stay and believe it's all real or better than real. Instead he rips apart the body to find... really big caviar?

I thought that the daughter was lying when she said the breakfast was "perfect" after the father said it tasted like nothing. That she didn't want to make him suspicious. But now I think it actually did taste fine to her. That the food wasn't what was wrong, but him. And the only thing he can taste is her memories.
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It's hard to find time to see them in the theaters
Half the reason I keep this thread going is to keep track of movies and tv shows. I don't think I'd be able to see half the movies I do if I didn't keep on top of things and schedule months in advance. Just getting a babysitter alone is an ordeal. Which speaking of, tonight The Inhumans on ABC. So far the critics and audience reviews all agree that it's a dud of epic proportions, so should be fun to watch. I'm personally looking forward to seeing Lockjaw. And Monday Fox's The Gifted, which so far sounds interesting for like one, maybe two seasons. "Family on the run from the government" just doesn't really have staying power.

Saw a second episode of The Orville, and I know what the problem is. It's just the Q episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation, with some extra preachiness thrown in. They tried to sell it as a parody, but it's mostly a serious show with bits and pieces of humor (or a facsimile of humor) thrown in. And, much like Q, the humor feels really out of place. A parody should spend a significant amount of it's time lampooning the tropes associated with the genre it's portraying. This just doesn't do that. Also: Was that Liam Neeson?
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Also: Was that Liam Neeson?


He has a particular set of skills. Including being able to accept money with little concern of the quality of the source of that money.

I didn't really liken it to the Q episodes. I thought it was a lot closer to this episode just without the whole "Prime Directive" part. It even has the "new stuff is scary" repressive culture.

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Saw a second episode of The Orville, and I know what the problem is. It's just the Q episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation, with some extra preachiness thrown in. They tried to sell it as a parody, but it's mostly a serious show with bits and pieces of humor (or a facsimile of humor) thrown in. And, much like Q, the humor feels really out of place. A parody should spend a significant amount of it's time lampooning the tropes associated with the genre it's portraying.


I'm starting to suspect that MacFarlane actually wanted to do a totally real and serious sci fi adventure series, but Fox would only give him a show that was comedy based so he said "Uh... Sure. It's a total comedy. There will be jokes and everything! Here's some samples of the wacky humor we're going to have...".

It's just a theory, mind you.
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Oh yeah. Since the critics have panned Inhumans, that probably means it'll be awesome, right?

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