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#27 Feb 14 2015 at 9:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now THAT was the slowest episode of the series so far. Not a single gunshot, cannon fire or sword unsheathed. The most violent act was Hamilton Sr's stabbing of his dinner with his fork.

Where's my Spanish warship fireworks?! Smiley: motz
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#28 Feb 14 2015 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Crazy slow. At least it ended with "Fire."

I enjoy Flint's ********** your advice" attitude. Guthrie was a bit less horrible this episode. The character actually acted like she was in charge of an island of pirates for a few moments.

I kind of wish they had extended the thing with Silver and the crew coming to accept and anticipate his daily reports a bit more.
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#29 Feb 17 2015 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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We just got Starz this weekend. This show is on... a lot.

I watched most of an episode, I didn't see any ship battles, but the acting looked decent.
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#30 Feb 17 2015 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you have Starz, I'd recommend watching the first season (either via your provider's "on demand" service or online from their website). The second season starts, continuity-wise, the same day the first season ended so watching those eight episodes is almost sorta required.

Come spring, you'll be seeing Outlander on a lot as well. The two shows are by the same production company and I'm guessing are the lynchpin to Starz's hopes of being a provider of serious original content.

Also, I'll say again that Flint has a pimpin' sweet coat. I bet that thing is hot under the Nassau sun though.

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#31 Feb 17 2015 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Now THAT was the slowest episode of the series so far. Not a single gunshot, cannon fire or sword unsheathed. The most violent act was Hamilton Sr's stabbing of his dinner with his fork.

Where's my Spanish warship fireworks?! Smiley: motz


Sadly, I watched it late at night after coming home Saturday and dozed off in the middle (something about Rackam and Bonnie planning something, but can't remember). Saw the whole bit leading up to Flint's decision though. Still vague on the rest. Forgot that I'd dozed off and hit delete when the show was over. I'm conflicted as to whether to rewatch it to see what I missed, or just figure I'll muddle through. I'm leaning towards muddling, since I obviously didn't retain bits of the side plots from the episodes I didn't doze off during either.

Hopefully, it'll pick up in the second half like season one did.
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Ummmm...

Vane sent criers out (with Guthrie's help) calling Flint the bad guy here since destroying the fort would ruin Nassau
Flint asks Silver what he thinks of the situation. Silver says "Well, it's not like they don't have reason to think you're a terrible guy but you're my ticket to the Urca gold, so I duncare". Crisis of conscious for the guy who chews through crew officers like that crappy zebra-stripe gum they used to sell.
Flint sent Silver out to counter-propaganda
Some guy recognized Silver as "A Walrus man" and brought him to a tent where Billy Bones was lying unconscious. Bones woke up long enough to say he needed to talk to Gates.
Guthrie asked Mrs Flint for help, Mrs Flint told her to go get bent
Flashback to Hamilton Jr & Flint having dinner with Hamilton Sr. Jr tells Sr he wants to pardon the Nassau pirates and make them productive citizens, Sr says he's a nut. Flint sides with Jr.
Somewhere in all this, Rackham, Bonny & Max swindle some dude out of his boat and crew through the power of random hooker snatch
Hamilton Jr, Flint & Mrs Flint/Hamilton ask various Parliament members for assistance. They all leave except one guy, Lord Ashe who offers to help.
Back in the present day, Pastor Boring visits Mrs Flint and brings news that Vane supposedly has a girl he's holding random... Lord Ashe's daughter. Dun dun DUN!!
Black Guy Who Used To Work For Guthrie And Now Serves Hornigal's Crew talks to Flint and says that attacking the fort will change Nassau forever.
Flint goes down and gives the command to fire.


Now you don't need to watch it if you don't want to.
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#33 Feb 17 2015 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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Black Sails is Starz's go-to time slot filler. I think it will show probably two dozen times between now and the next episode. Plenty of opportunity to piece it together through multiple doze off viewings. Which you definitely will do.

Hopefully next week's episode has a lot of hot Ship-on-Fort action.
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#34 Feb 17 2015 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Ummmm...

Vane sent criers out (with Guthrie's help) calling Flint the bad guy here since destroying the fort would ruin Nassau
Flint asks Silver what he thinks of the situation. Silver says "Well, it's not like they don't have reason to think you're a terrible guy but you're my ticket to the Urca gold, so I duncare". Crisis of conscious for the guy who chews through crew officers like that crappy zebra-stripe gum they used to sell.
Flint sent Silver out to counter-propaganda
Some guy recognized Silver as "A Walrus man" and brought him to a tent where Billy Bones was lying unconscious. Bones woke up long enough to say he needed to talk to Gates.
Guthrie asked Mrs Flint for help, Mrs Flint told her to go get bent
Flashback to Hamilton Jr & Flint having dinner with Hamilton Sr. Jr tells Sr he wants to pardon the Nassau pirates and make them productive citizens, Sr says he's a nut. Flint sides with Jr.
Somewhere in all this, Rackham, Bonny & Max swindle some dude out of his boat and crew through the power of random hooker snatch
Hamilton Jr, Flint & Mrs Flint/Hamilton ask various Parliament members for assistance. They all leave except one guy, Lord Ashe who offers to help.
Back in the present day, Pastor Boring visits Mrs Flint and brings news that Vane supposedly has a girl he's holding random... Lord Ashe's daughter. Dun dun DUN!!
Black Guy Who Used To Work For Guthrie And Now Serves Hornigal's Crew talks to Flint and says that attacking the fort will change Nassau forever.
Flint goes down and gives the command to fire.


Now you don't need to watch it if you don't want to.


Hah. Ok. I remember all of that except:

Somewhere in all this, Rackham, Bonny & Max swindle some dude out of his boat and crew through the power of random hooker snatch

Actually. I remember it. I just don't remember what happened. That's the part where I dozed off. I think I'm good to go then! Smiley: nod
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#35 Feb 17 2015 at 6:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hopefully next week's episode has a lot of hot Ship-on-Fort action.

I don't know... I'm hoping for another hour of Pirate C-SPAN.
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#36 Feb 17 2015 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Somewhere in all this, Rackham, Bonny & Max swindle some dude out of his boat and crew through the power of random hooker snatch

Actually. I remember it. I just don't remember what happened. That's the part where I dozed off. I think I'm good to go then! Smiley: nod


The way I recall it, Rackham watches as Max teaches the random pirate wench how to play a man. And by the look on his face he likely realized that he had been played the same way on more than one occasion. Either that or he just was frightened by Max. But I think the self realization route was more likely the cause of his concerned look.
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#37 Feb 17 2015 at 6:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I took it more as Rackham realizing just how skilled and clever Max was beyond just being a pretty whore. And that he may have been underestimating her cunning in the little feud they're having.

Also, I suppose it's only fair but I didn't need to see Captain Jack's Little Rackham in the opening moments of the show Smiley: laugh
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#38 Feb 17 2015 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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I can't recall if he said something about steering clear of whores in general, or "that whore" (which would probably be Max) when expressing his concern after the event.
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#39 Feb 17 2015 at 7:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, pirate whores in general are probably a lot less savvy than Max, judging from the woman she had to explain seduction to.
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#40 Feb 21 2015 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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So... he's _that_ kind of pirate.

Oh, and hearing the battle wage in the background of the episode while everyone was talking was annoying. It's like watching a porno where they show the guy taking the pizza order listening to the moaning over the phone.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2015 1:02am by TirithRR
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#41 Feb 23 2015 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm curious if next week will go into whatever animosity is between Vane and Flint.

The first episode started by setting up Flint as the "good guy". They board the ship, Flint stops Singleton from killing some guy, his conversation with the other ship's captain leaves you thinking that Flint is a good captain losing control of his men, etc. Meanwhile, Vane is killing people so Singleton can win the vote for captaincy with no better reason than "Once everyone realizes that Singleton sucks as captain, they'll leave and we can get a few more guys". That's pretty thin reasoning there -- Flint's men seems competent enough but not so much that you'd get involved in some plan to depose Flint (by murdering men who'd vote for him) just to get a few new deckhands.

Later on, we learn that Flint isn't especially "good" and while Vane never rises to anything better than "not good", they at least give you something in his story to get invested in. But there has to be something deeper to it than that. Of course, we'll probably learn about it in lengthy flashbacks.
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I'm just assuming that after last episodes reveal, the fanfic world has already written their ending to Flint and Vane's fight. Just sayin'
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#43 Mar 03 2015 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Granted, there's only three people posting to this thread but then there's only seven people posting to the forums so that's still a solid population.

The Brothel Triplets were the only half-interesting thing going on this week with the rest of the cast still stuck in Pirate Parliament mode. Rackham (excuse me, Captain Rackham) apparently knows his way around a set of sails better than anyone expected and it'd be interesting/amusing to me if he was Flint's equal or close to it at seamanship. Although I knew where it was going the moment the other captain felt blood inside his collar, I'm on the fence if that was intentional or blind luck on Rackham's part. Jack does seem like the kind of guy who'd know how to end a fight quickly since endurance isn't on his side. Here's hoping for a swift reconciliation with Bonny since they're the only male/female pairing I find interesting these days (Flint/Silver is always fun times though). Max looked over her head for a few shining hopeful moments and is back to purring her way through things. It seems unfair for me to hope for her downfall when, maybe a month ago in "show time", she was chained in a rape hut.

The rest of the show: Blah, blah, we have to agree to, no I don't wanna, blah blah, he agreed, did he agree, who cares if he agreed, blah blah, we agreed to this, no way, let's have a vote, how's the vote, we're going to have a vote, blah blah, lets do this so we can be free, we are free, maybe we're not free, blah blah, Guthrie acts predictably retarded.
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#44 Mar 03 2015 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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I think Rackham knew what he was doing, and his strengths (brains) / weaknesses (anything physical). But was probably really lucky that his hit landed how it did. I imagine he was hoping for a much cleaner, swifter, strike. One that wouldn't have left him almost unconscious.

Though, if he was really going for the surprise you'd think he would have struck with the sword first, rather than the wine.

I'm curious, did the deal really have the murder of the entire "prize crew" as one of the conditions, or did he make that up to get the crew to join him against the other pirate crew? The first mate didn't seem to say anything about it, but we don't really know much about his personality (or at least I don't). Rackham seemed upset about the deal, but I don't recall any indication of the death of the prize crew being part of the deal until Rackham said it after the other pirate captain's death. It was made pretty clear that he was getting the half of the cargo, but only the shit-half.

I kind of wish they had shown more of the pursuit of the prize and the second pirate ship approaching, with Rackham's approach succeeding in overtaking the prize. I guess I can't fault them though, I imagine scenes like that are difficult and expensive.

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I'm not sure if "first mate" is the correct term here... it sounds right to me, but not sure.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2015 6:57pm by TirithRR
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#45 Mar 03 2015 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know, they could have just FRAPS someone playing AC4: Black Flag Smiley: grin

Season 1 was short on ship scenes due to the cost. I'd guess S2 isn't remarkably better funded and the budget is reserved for the ending episodes. They're already greenlit for a Season Three so maybe someday they'll get some extra Ship Action money.

I'm guessing that Rackham winged the part about the crew. The other pirate captain seemed reasonable (even if pressing his advantage over Rackham) and I assume worked on the general principle that you got in, got your loot and moved on. A reputation for slaughtering crews just means harder prizes in the future as the other ship has no reason to not fight tooth and nail.

I'm guessing the prior captain guy who is now under Rackham on the Colonial Dawn would have the role of quartermaster. Same as Gates was to Flint.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2015 6:04pm by Jophiel
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Yes, Quartermaster, that's what I was looking for.

Though, at least according to the Black Sails wiki, and a bit in regular wiki (not as specific though), a pirate quartermaster did serve as the Captain's first mate.

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By the way, the crazy old man that Silver hangs out with... he's the one that got crushed under the boat and Silver had saved, right?

Edited, Mar 3rd 2015 7:22pm by TirithRR
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I'm sure you're right. I'm no pirate specialist, I just remember that quartermaster was Gates' post and he was Flint's right-hand man.

Now you made me look at the Wiki and I learned that Dufresne was played by a different guy in Season One (but the actor developed brain cancer between seasons). I didn't even notice that they changed actors.

Yes, the cook (Randall) lost his leg when the Walrus rolled onto it during the cleaning. It was Flint who cut Randall's lower leg off though, not Silver. Randall did use his 'peg leg' though to save Silver at the end of last season. Silver guesses that Randall is at least sort of faking his dementia so the crew keeps him on out of pity but doesn't expect him to fight with them. Presumably, Randall saved Silver because Silver is correct (though Randall won't openly admit it even to Silver) and knew that they'd need Silver to get the Urca gold.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2015 6:29pm by Jophiel
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Ah. I couldn't remember exactly who saved who.

And I didn't realize the actor for Dufrense (man that is a weird name) had changed. They did a decent job of recasting him, I guess the season change helps. Similar to how they handled the actor change in Spartacus. Though I remember Spartacus being much more noticeable.
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I'm sure you're right. I'm no pirate specialist, I just remember that quartermaster was Gates' post and he was Flint's right-hand man.


Was he? I've been a bit confused about this as well. I thought Gates was the first mate and Bones was the quartermaster. Didn't Dufresne get promoted to quartermaster after Bones fell off the bow of the ship, while Gates was still second in command? Seems like they were a bit vague about who was in what position, but it seemed like Bones had some influence and was responsible for promoting and providing for the wants of the crew to the captain. And while Rackam was Vane's quartermaster, you got no sense at all that he was expected to run the ship if Vane wasn't there for some reason (or maybe he was?).

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Yeah. I noticed that too (when I had to look up his name, and then look again for how to spell it). Had no clue by watching it, though. So they did a great job recasting the part.
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Bones was boatswain and was going to be temporarily promoted to quartermaster when Gates was to become captain of the Ranger. Dufresne was the ships accountant (I don't think they have a fancy term for it) and was bumped to quartermaster on the Walrus during the hunt for the Urca (since Bones had gone overboard), while Gates was on the other ship.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2015 7:33pm by Jophiel
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Bones was boatswain and was going to be temporarily promoted to quartermaster when Gates was to become captain of the Ranger. Dufresne was the ships accountant (I don't think they have a fancy term for it) and was bumped to quartermaster on the Walrus during the hunt for the Urca (since Bones had gone overboard), while Gates was on the other ship.


Oh yeah! I forgot about the second ship. I mean, I knew there was one, just forgot who was captaining it. That makes total sense now. I seriously should have re-watched the first season in prep for the second, but didn't have the time.
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