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Captain America: Audiences are DumbFollow

#27 May 18 2016 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
People go to see a movie about superheroes fighting each other to see them not bust shit up. I thought it was fine but, as far as superhero movie criticisms go, "threw too many cars" is doing way better than the junk DC puts out.
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I totally get that they weren't trying to seriously injure each other (well, most of them), but I'm not sure how "toss a bus at him" is a solution to that problem.

Well, if "him" is wearing a magic-science power suit or is a magic-science android with space-rock powers then throwing a bus at them is about the only way to knock them down.

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#28 May 19 2016 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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It feels like it's been a long time since I've read Empowered. Great deconstruction of the genre.
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#29 May 19 2016 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
People don't go to see a movie about superheroes fighting each other to see them not bust shit up. I thought it was fine but, as far as superhero movie criticisms go, "threw too many cars" is doing way better than the junk DC puts out.


That goes without saying. There was one particular bit at the beginning of the fight that just seemed strange though. Can't remember which character it was (probably Iron Man or his twin), but there's a group of folks running in a direction, and he literally blows up an entire line of parked planes kinda sorta in the direction they're running. Now maybe his plan was to blow up stuff they might use for cover? Or maybe he was firing a warning shot (but for some reason fires at stuff like a hundred feet away from them)? That set me off in the "why are they shooting deliberately at stuff" mode, and from that point on in the scene, I was super attuned to the fact that it seemed like they were all going out of their way to destroy random stuff.

I get that film goers like to see explosions, but it just came off as far too blatant and unnecessary. I could go rent Die Hard 4 or something if I wanted random unnecessary explosions. Thankfully, there was enough other fun stuff to offset it (Spider Man was funny as ****), so it's not like that was even remotely close to a deal breaker or anything. I just thought they could have toned it down just a tad is all.

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I totally get that they weren't trying to seriously injure each other (well, most of them), but I'm not sure how "toss a bus at him" is a solution to that problem.

Well, if "him" is wearing a magic-science power suit or is a magic-science android with space-rock powers then throwing a bus at them is about the only way to knock them down.


And in that case, you're not too concerned about hitting him directly with your telekinetic attack or your explosive arrows, or whatever, right? Again, it just seemed like they had an inordinate amount of random heavy and expensive objects flying around in that fight. Just because you can do such things easily and cheaply with CGI doesn't mean it's a good idea to actually do it. I would have preferred fewer exploding objects and more banter and direct power vs power shots. It was by no means a "bad" fight sequence (and still like 100X better than anything I've seen in a DC film, so there is that). I just think they got the balance off a bit on it.

And yeah, I totally acknowledge that this is a personal preference of mine. I disliked most of the fight sequences in the Transformer films for the same reasons. Too much stuff on the screen at one time. To many things breaking and moving and exploding. Just too busy (see my comment about overuse of CGI effects). This wasn't anywhere near as annoying as the sequences in those films, but then again, you can justify it a lot more when the combatants are all giant robots and they're fighting in the middle of a city. This fight was in an airport, which is kinda mostly flat empty blacktop. There were easily 10x more buses in that one terminal than you'd normally find in an entire airport. And rows of small planes just sitting there waiting to be blown up, apparently. And several large passenger jets, which inexplicably share the same area as the rows of small planes (which, you know, doesn't actually happen in real airports). And piles of crates and whatnot, cause apparently we also packed the cargo terminal in the same area as the small private planes terminal and the large passenger jet terminal. And thank goodness there was apparently zero random people in the area, despite all this equipment and buses and loaders, and fuel trucks, and planes of all sizes, etc, etc, etc...

Yeah. I'm nitpicking. Not in a "OMG this sucked!" kind of way, but if I'm going to critique it, that's what I thought could have been done better. Just because the audience is suspending their disbelief in the context of super powered people in the first place does not make it a disbelief free for all. You have to keep some amount of grounding in reality, otherwise you can lose your audience. I'm not saying that this scene was remotely close to that level, but it did veer a bit in that direction. Marvel has been remarkably good at finding that balance and doing it right. I just think they fell a bit short in that scene.
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#30 May 19 2016 at 7:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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#31 May 20 2016 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I was once in a restaurant reading its Yelp reviews and someone posted "The fish had a fish taste and tasted too much like fish".
I told them I was an important food critic, and they charged me anyway. As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved.
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#32 May 20 2016 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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To be fair though, while I did find the film super fun and whatnot, I also had a few moments of "Um... Do they really need to blow that much stuff up?" while watching it.
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gbaji wrote:
To be fair though, while I did find the film super fun and whatnot, I also had a few moments of "Um... Do they really need to blow that much stuff up?" while watching it.
"Buy the small size, or better yet, don't buy a drink and popcorn." "Blow less stuff up in movies."

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Yup. The problem is that I don't have a cane, or a lawn for that matter. So this is like the next best thing.

Actually, I do own a cane, but it's got a long sharp very illegal metal thingie inside it, so not such a great idea
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