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#1 Jun 02 2009 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
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Okay boys and girls, It's speculation time, and what more of an exciting way to speculate, than to speculate on the world itself, Eorzea, the rhelm in which we will reside on Final Fantasy XIV Online.

From what we know, it looks like it most definitally has something to do with Vana Diel in some way or another. How much it will have to do, I'm not sure. But it looks very much like it could be a prequel or sequel to the world of Vana Diel as we know.

Now, how exactly this will work? I'm not sure, but that's what this thread is for! I do indeed have some ideas, so I will share them with you. A few of my friends and myself have been speculating on what we've seen so far, and what we can gather, about what this world of Eorzea will be.

Now, I ask that you not read on if you do not want spoilers of the FFXI Zilart and CoP storylines. But if you have done them, you will know a few things by now. The Zilart were an ancient race that inhabited Vana Diel 10,000 years ago. They are shrouded in mystery and lore, however not much is known of them. What is known, is riddled through Final Fantasy XI. They are the ones who built the Ancient Temples and Structures such as the Teleport-Crags, Delkfuts Tower, Tu'Lia, and Al'Tieu.

You learn further on in the story, that the Zilart tried to open the "Gates of Paradise" or basically force their way into heaven (or perhaps another world...?). One way or another, Bahamut was summoned and stopped them, but from what you learn, he didn't kill them all off, or stop them all. It is very much shrouded in mystery and not fully explained. I know I myself have died to see the story of the Zilart ever since I found out of them, their history, and what happened to the ones who did supposedly open the gates of paradise.

You can probably see where I'm going with this by now...

From what I gather, FFXIV will have something to do with the Zilart, in some way or another. There are two main possibilities in my opinion. Those are, the fact that we are in that world, that the Zilart opened up, or that we are back 10,000 years ago, perhaps in that world, or what became Vana Diel. It does look like a different time in the pages of history from what we see, however it could be in current times, and different locations. Who's to say? These are just my idea's, and personally I think it would tie in AMAZINGLY to the whole story and lore of FFXI. This could even attract people to FFXI, and would help attract the FFXI people to FFXIV.

So, that is just part of my Idea of what Eorzea will be. It's obvious from the pictures we will have our ever loved races of vana diel, and even some of the jobs, perhaps all? perhaps some new? Also, it is quite obvious there will be Male Mithra, and perhaps if we are at a different point in history, Female Galka? Although that's not supposedly possible, you never know what fantasy could be bent a little. I do know these new Galka's look a bit less monsterous? Who knows! (For more on that discussion go here)

So let's discuss what we think Eorzea will be like. How big it will be, and anything you can speculate about the story and lore behind it! One way or another, this is a very exciting time for us all!

Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 10:23pm by EndlessJourney
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#2 Jun 02 2009 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Fantasy XVI Online.
You should fix that soon. =P

Eh, I see your point but I'm really hoping the Zilart don't have anything to do with this. That would seem much like FFXI-2 and less a new game. I think this is Vana'diel in the future or on the other side of the planet. (I haven't seen the map in a long, long time, but I don't think it wraps around the globe)

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 1:24am by TheShadowWalker
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#3 Jun 02 2009 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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TheShadowWalker wrote:
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You should fix that soon. =P


My pardon! Let's just pretend it's the year 2029 though, shall we? lol
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#4 Jun 02 2009 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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My pardon! Let's just pretend it's the year 2029 though, shall we? lol
Aha! Probably around the time that'll be coming out. With how long games are taking to produce these days. (the good ones)
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and I'll thank god I made it out of there
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#5 Jun 02 2009 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
I disagree; I think Eorzea will be a new world that contains something of the "spirit" of Vana'diel. Just like new installments of the mainstream FF series contain the "spirit" of Final Fantasy, but change the setting. I think the racial similarities will be due to the sentimentality of the development team, and nothing more.

This is really just a feeling or hunch of mine, but based on interviews I have read and from what I understand about the development teams behind FFXI, I really doubt that it will have any ties, story-wise, to Vana'diel because of the split in the writing and development teams for FFXI. Different teams worked on Zilart and CoP than ToaU and WotG and there seems to be a pretty sharp division between those two teams (and apparently the latter team is working on FFXIV while the old team is developing stuff like Crystalline Prophecies, etc. currently).

So basically, I think the creative split here bred what we now see in FFXIV. What I imagine is a world that is basically a total re-hashing of what FFXI and Vana'diel could have been, from the developers' point of view.

Something else I noticed is the monster designs in FFXIV so far, while somewhat reminiscent of FFXI, are different. Those flying towers/battleship things are totally unique, and the aquatic monsters are new (as far as I know). If it was set in Vana'diel I think SE would also emphasize that a lot, to draw back old players and instill good memories of the world, like they always seem to do with catchphrases like "Welcome back to Vana'diel!".

Anyway, those are my takes. Not very solid, but it's the impression I got. I think the new development team honestly wants a fresh start, with a new story that is more cohesive. I feel like it's kind of what they were trying to do with creating the past in WotG in the first place.

#6 Jun 02 2009 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Something else I noticed is the monster designs in FFXIV so far, while somewhat reminiscent of FFXI, are different. Those flying towers/battleship things are totally unique, and the aquatic monsters are new (as far as I know)


Actually, they're pretty similar to sea monsters in early FF games, particularly 1-5, where you don't know what you're fighting. Some disgusting, nameless horror from the bottom of the sea. I'd be willing to bet this is a return to the large scale combat from early FF games, where there could be nine enemies for your four party members. Rather than it being about standing up to one tough monster, it would be about surviving hordes of weaker monsters.
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#7 Jun 02 2009 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
To Malinne,

Yeah! I had the same thought when I saw the trailer. It looks like a real overwhelming group of enemies like groups of attackers in the main FF series. If I were the team behind FFXIV, I would definitely want to make the game feel more like an FF. Fighting single monsters over and over again with no enemy group dynamics doesn't feel like an FF...

But back to the topic of Eorzea as a world--when I said they didn't look familiar, I meant they didn't look like any mobs in FFXI, but they sure do still look FF-ish.
#8 Jun 02 2009 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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My guess?

I don't think its the same world. I know it's been posted that the trailer referred to Eorzea as a "Land" and not "World" but I'm guessing that's reading too much between the lines. The Zilart theory is a nice read, and certainly sounds plausible, but I hope not.

I guess I just don't want there to be any real substantial tie in between the two games, physically, or story-wise. I think both games have long futures in front of them and I guess I feel linking the two together would end up restricting both worlds in the end. And the Zilart theory kinda means you'd need to play both to completely understand the story. I don't want anyone to feel like they have to leave FFXI to see the rest of what's going on, and I don't want someone in XIV who has never played XI feeling left out either. A MMO should be big enough for it's own story.

I'm surprised to see the races we know back (with minor changes) and I expect SE has something to say about it... they have to know the questions will be asked. I just hope it's not game defining. Then again, when it comes to a good story, in SE I trust. :)
#9 Jun 02 2009 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's obvious one way or another, they are taking many things that make FFXI great, and adding them to the new MMO. That much can't be denied, so people cannot say it has no ties to FFXI, because it already does, obviously and blatantly. Now, whether or not the stories will intertwine or mesh together is another subject. I think if they did it right, it wouldn't really exclude people from one story or another, but could be remotely related. Who knows right now, I'm just giving idea's of mine, not saying they're right by all means. We'll just have to wait and see, but I do enjoy the speculation. Continue everyone!
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#10 Jun 02 2009 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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Well I'll admit your Zilart theory was intriguing, and a Portal to "The gates of paradise" would make for an interesting final expansion pack for XI (if there might be one on the horizon). But like most people I'm fairly certain XIV will have no tie-ins to XI. Similarities in game concepts of course (chocobos and airships will be forms of transportation, crystals will likely be involved in some form, Gil will be the name for money as some examples), perhaps some misplaced familiar faces (Cid for sure, perhaps Gilgamesh, possibly even Biggs and Wedge, Bahamut obviously weather he's summon-able or not, who knows we might even get a Shantotto or Maat cameo and if we're lucky we might get some kind of inside joke out of them, like Maat showboating his 'cap'), but while these characters will retain the personalities that have grown on us they'll ultimately be separate entities from their previous incarnations having no distinct recollection of their past lives.

This is how SE has always presented Final Fantasy, enough familiarity to give the series a cohesive feel while never actually tying one world to another. I don't expect nor would I want for them to deviate from that now. Let Vana'diel stay in Vana'diel so that Eorzea has room to grow a life of it's own.
#11 Jun 02 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
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Personally I think it will tie into the past of Vanadiel, in the trailer they talk about the Gods and such. I personally loved the lore and layout of FFXVI, seeing the relics in FFXI become center pieces in FFXIV would be amazing, think of Sky as being a city more or less! I think its intresting, or seeing certain places that look familiar but arnt there just yet! Maybe learn more about the Giant Skelly that leads to Castle Oztroja! Beastmen may be playable although highly unlikely! I think that a link between FFXI and FFXIV is inevitable, and I think for the better, much like FF7:CC and the Original FF7! Adding on to a much loved Storyline
#12 Jun 03 2009 at 12:16 AM Rating: Good
It's not a skeleton that leads to castle orz. :P It's a conduit line, and it actually connects from Delkfutt's to either Ro'Maeve or Fei'Yin, I don't remember which. Supposedly there's 5 crystal lines that meet at Delkfutt's, though they're mostly underground.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2009 1:21am by digitalcraft
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#13 Jun 03 2009 at 12:30 AM Rating: Good
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Just an fyi, according to elmers translation of the japanese subtitles for that trailer, its a new planet and not just land. So it seems the english translators took a little liberty and made it a little metaphorical like they tend to do (Crusaders of altana - translated to Wings of the Goddess for instance, the japanese script is more literal like always).

In other words... completely new world, not vana'diel. Could very slimly be the so called "paradise" that was hinted at in FFXI, but it has nothing to do with vana'diel, not post-apocalyptic or otherwise.
#14 Jun 03 2009 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Im sure they will alude to the great moments in 11, with semi static charecters in each FF! I dont know what to hope for, we just have to trust SE
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