It's not about being 'ultra nationalist', but it IS about defending the MMORPG that we love, that FFXIV HAPPENS TO BE THE NATURAL SUCCESSOR TO.
Defending against what? Who/what is attacking it? The night elves? The moogles? The Scottish? There's absolutely nothing wrong with people saying, "FFXI was a great game, but x/y/z aspect of it really didn't work for me. <Other MMO> does it like this, which I found to be a much more enjoyable experience so barring all else, if SE could incorporate some of that or something similar as part of the evolution of their MMO offering I think that would be cool."
Which is basically the extent of what has been done.
It is one thing to suggest aspects that we like from other games. It is an entirely other thing to COMPLETELY upend the core of a final fantasy game in order to gain subscriptions from another playerbase.
You talk as though you think FFXIV is being made for players of FFXI. It's not. If it were, the FFXI servers would be shut down when FFXIV is released. There are efforts being made so that FFXIV is familiar to FFXI players, but it's still a new game. It doesn't have to be all the same. There are a lot of people currently playing FFXI who enjoy aspects of FFXI that most people find to be dated, dull, and just downright boring. Someone mentions the option to solo to the level cap in WoW and it turns into the same tired old WoW bashing that has been going on...typically by FFXI players who have never played WoW...and none of the would-be MMO gurus trashing WoW ever fully realize that as far as I recall, almost every other MMO that has been released in North America since FFXI has provided players with the option to level solo. It's not a uniquely WoW phenomenon, but it works
. It's an option
. End-game is an option
. Instanced group content is an option
. Professions/rep/questing/PvP...all options
. Stack together multiple options and you get this miraculous thing called diversity
, and diversity is what keeps people from spending 6 hours sitting around a town waiting for a group because there's jack all else to do.
Those of us who completely love FFXI are afraid.
We are afraid that the success of WoW will mean that many of the things from WoW will creep into this new game. I play WoW, and I like WoW for what it is. But I, as do many other final fantasy players, do not want to see WOW in Final Fantasy XIV.
Could you do me a favor and be a wee tiny bit more closed minded please? I want to see if your head implodes and a black hole forms where once was only flawed logic.
WTF do you think you're saying when you say you do not want to see WoW in Final Fantasy? You're afraid there are going to be Tauren and Night Elves? That you might exit your starting city of choice to find a kobold screaming about his candle? What exactly is it that has you so paranoid about the idea of FFXIV taking note of certain components that never really worked in FFXI but are a huge part of the success of other MMOs? Making it so you can solo to the level cap in FFXIV, for example, does not make it WoW. Making a faster and more engaging combat system in FFXIV does not make it WoW. Cutting out an enormous chunk of the senseless waiting in FFXI (HEEEELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ULLIKUMMI! WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE SOMEWHERE!!!) is not going to make it WoW.
So perhaps you...or anyone else for that matter...would like to clarify exactly what it is that has so many FFXI neophytes trembling with fear and loathing at the idea that FFXIV might actually have long term appeal for more than a half million people.
1) Acknowledging that you don't need forced group play all the time, hours upon hours upon hours of doing nothing but waiting, and extreme penalties for failure for an MMO to be entertaining and rewarding would make us realize just how much of our time we had actually been wasting in FFXI relative to actually playing the game.
We don't want to see hot bars.
What's wrong with hot bars?
We don't want to see a UI that must be modded until we can't even see the game.
UI mods are a choice by players, and FFXIV will likely not support them anyways due to their plans for cross-platform console support. Careful though...your ignorance is showing.
We don't want to see a crappy story line.
You'd have to be a right sodding moron to think that SE is going to leave the story aspects out of FFXIV...especially after the press conference yesterday...or to think that those of us from other MMOs would be pushing for a reduced story influence in FFXIV.
We don't want to see a one character, one class system.
Who here has said that that's what they want to see in FFXIV?
We don't want to see a once character, one craft system.
It was one character, two
primary professions, actually. And I recall on these boards having seen very little discussion about crafting system hopes/ideas for FFXIV.
We don't want to lose our cutscenes.
So? Who said you should/did?
We don't want an emphasis on PVP that destroys our PVE environment.
I 100% agree with you there.
We don't want to see WOW in FFXIV.
You need to do better than that. Or at least to read through the boards more thoroughly before you comment. People are suggesting aspects
of other MMOs as examples for comparison. Not saying it should be <insert MMO here> with FFXI models and music.
And for that we are allowed to reject, PASSIONATELY, the addendum that the WOW players here have posted.
It is not ultra-nationalism, it is merely pride in one's heritage. There is a difference.
Lay off the bong dude. Seriously. Edited, Jun 4th 2009 9:06am by AureliusSir