There is nothing wrong with saying x/y/z is wrong with FFXI, but there is something wrong with insisting that <other MMO> (or in the case of your arguments WOW WOW WOW WOW) is the only other option as opposed to refining the many excellent changes made to FFXI in the past 2 years.
This whole conversation would be a lot more entertaining if you would just read and ponder and comprehend.
If I say that I like the option for diverse solo content in an MMO, that's as far as it needs to go. It doesn't matter which MMO I've played the most recently and it doesn't matter how different that idea is from what FFXI players are used to because it's simply a concept. It's a concept that has been employed to great success in other MMOs...it just so happens that WoW is the most noteworthy of the bunch.
What is so horribly disappointing is the aggressive narrow-mindedness and supreme arrogance of a group of people who can't conceive of a game where casual content (to include but not limited to diverse solo options) can happily co-exist in a game with dedicated hardcore content. To read through these posts, there is no shortage of exceptionally ignorant people who have convinced themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt that casual friendly can only exist to the exclusion of hardcore. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
In a forum that was created to discuss a new MMO, the second of which released by the company that made an MMO that I played for 3-4 years, there are no shortage of FFXI neophytes that have jumped in and start talking down to everyone like they own the place. They'll learn, of that I'm convinced. Especially when more information comes from SE that echoes what they've already touched on...that FFXIV is not going to carry forward the bulk of FFXI with some tweaks and changes.
Whether the FFXI community likes it or not FFXIV is
going to have components that resemble other MMOs, including but not limited to WoW. It will have aspects that are familiar to people who have played FFXI, and it will no doubt have aspects that none of us have seen before in any other MMO.
Again, I don't think you got the point of that, YES FFXI players ARE afraid that every 10 year old with a mother's credit card will be able to hit the level cap without any social interaction whatsoever and suddenly be raining down Barrens chat in every endgame event. We welcome anyone into the game, we just want to maintain a sense of community that was so prevelant in FFXI and made the game feel like 'Home' in the MMO-verse. We gained that sense of community through quests and missions that required social interaction. We all know you don't need forced group play all the time, and so does SE, as evidenced by the many changes made in the last 2 years.
With the significant amount of negative feedback SE has received over the years regarding world spawn bosses, coupled with the positive feedback they've received about the instanced content they implemented later on, I think it's a pretty safe bet that there will be more instanced end-game content in FFXIV than non-instanced. I'm not suggesting that world spawn bosses would be a mistake...only that I fully expect SE to capitalize and expand on past successes.
If that turns out to be the case, if you experience undesirable behavior in your end-game content and it persists for any length of time, it's not SE's fault for creating a diverse game...it's the fault of your linkshell's leadership for not telling them to put a sock in it or they're going to be removed from the group.
But I am guessing you don't know any of that, since you only hit level 66 at your highest and I am betting that was a number of years ago. If you want a game you can play completely solo, and are so enthusiastic about that option, either go level another alt to 80 in wow, or unplug your modem and play an offline game. I hear they are great for solo-only play.
Thank you for once again so eloquently proving my point.
I say solo options, you twist it around to say I only want solo play. You look at an exceptionally dated reference to my FFXI character on my forum profile and assume that tells the whole story of my FFXI experience when in fact you are wrong. I stopped updating my character information in my Alla profile over 2 years before I stopped playing FFXI, but you don't get that, do you? You don't understand the concept of objective thought and, "Hey, it says 66 but it's not info from SE, it's a friggin' user updated profile on a discussion forum. I'd be a right sloppy twit to ram my foot in my mouth and use that as the basis for an argument without confirming it in some way first."
Ya, I'm right.
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ABOUT THE FARTHEST YOU CAN GET FROM A FINAL FANTASY GAME IN THE WORLD OF RPGS.
The FFXI user interface didn't exactly mimic the interfaces of any of the standalone titles, either. Hotbars are an extremely effective option for having a user interface that allows rapid access to a large variety of abilities. That's not in any way to suggest it's the best option, but to say you don't like hotbars because it's too much of a departure from a Final Fantasy interface? Are you off your meds? What a fundamentally ridiculous argument. It's fine if you don't like them. It's fine if you'd prefer to see something else. But because they're not Final Fantasy enough. Good lawd...
My point being that in WoW the UI MUST BE MODDED TO BE AN ADEQUATE RAID PLAYER.
Any idea why that is? Actually, first of all, maybe you can tell me what mods are mandatory. You don't need specific names, just what they do and why they're a benefit to a raider. Then you can entertain me with your take on why certain mods are necessary for top end raiders.
That is completely ridiculous. If the game itself cannot offer an adequate enough UI to simply PLAY endgame, the developer should spend more time on the UI. I like the customization of the WOW UI, but I think it is wrong that it became a NECESSITY to change the UI to simply progress. Blizzard themselves have realized that it was a mistake, and changed the way raids work in WotLK in order to start correcting this, not to mention soon the 3rd party applications everyone relies on will be regulated by the company. But it may be too little too late to change the tide in WoW.
You're a funny guy. Blizzard incorporated the option for users to create their own UI mods because it was a neat feature. Rather than Blizzard trying to take on the impossible task of releasing a variety of different UI configurations to suit every player, they instead gave players a framework to create their own. It frees up development time on Blizzard's end and allows for a much greater scope of diversity on the player's end.
Well, a crappy storyline is something I am afraid of when I hear WoW, Warhammer, and Age of Conan thrown around as points of insipiration for the new game. THEY ALL HAVE CRAPPY STORYLINES. And yes, it isn't hard to think that some people from other MMOs (such as yourself) would be pushing for a reduced storyline influence when the 'other mmo' community seems more concerned with getting more PVP play and less 'grinding of quests'. ****, the quests and missions in FFXI are what MADE the majority of the storyline.
How can you be bright enough to understand the twists and intricacies of an SE created story line yet not bright enough to understand that when people talk about COMPONENTS
of other games, they aren't talking about the entire game? Tell me how that works.
Yeah, I want to be able to level all the tradeskills if I want to. Just because I know how to make an awesome sword doesn't mean someone can't teach me how to sow, or garden, or woodcraft, or jemcut, or whatever.
Cool...so maybe you could be a sport and link me the post where someone said they wanted a one character/one profession system in FFXIV. Because if you didn't, there was no point to you bringing it up. Some of us are talking with eager anticipation about what we want to see in a new MMO. Others of you can't get past an opportunity to bash WoW. FFS...get over it.
Except that this is a post for WOW fans. And the other MMO discussed in this thread is WOW.
We don't want to see WOW in FFXIV, if we wanted to play WOW, we would play WOW. And I do play WOW. But I won't play FFXIV if it is like WOW.
I'm going to restrain myself for poking fun at you for not knowing this, but there is a history behind this thread that began with a user who created it to trash WoW players for putting forward ideas about FFXIV because apparently, FFXI players had more right than anyone else to share their ideas. Apparently, FFXI players are the only ones who should be entitled to discuss FFXIV, and people who share ideas that don't suit the FFXI fanboi mentality were to be publicly ridiculed by a post that was started for the specific purpose of bashing them.
But you didn't see the initial thread that was nuked. All you saw was the repost with the changed title. I'll forgive you for that. Just do me a favor and going forward, stay off your **** fanboi high horse and think before you beak off. Edited, Jun 7th 2009 12:13am by AureliusSir