With that being said let me say that Aurelius is the most stubborn sob I've ever seen. Many times have people from the ffxi community tried to give him some insight as to why people feel the need to defend ffxi, and why we don't want to see wow in the new game.
Naw, I only poke fun at people when they can't seem to address the issues or form a cogent argument.
Let me try to
some sum up his whole argument in very broad strokes
"Be more open minded. Yet don't expect the same respect from me in retaliation. In fact I will insult and openly mock anyone that disagrees with me. I fail to realize I'm being a hypocrite by being closed minded in an argument in which I ask for the opposite."
Not quite, but it was a good try.
Anyone who says XIV is not a successor to XI is being silly and grasping at straws to support their argument.
Subjective assessment is subjective. What defines "successor"?
Why must the ffxi community openly accept people who want to change what we've come to love?
Well, I guess the best answer to your question would be that they don't. BTW, the Alla forums for the FFXI community are here
. This is a forum for the FFXIV community. If you want to argue with people for going to your community and telling you what changes they think should be made to the game you play, follow the link and find them there.
I DUNNO, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA TELL US!! YEEHAW!!
The ffxi community is happy playing ffxi.
Good. But then...what the **** do they care about what happens in FFXIV?
We're not worried about wow, and what wow does right or wrong. It caters to a more casual player, that's fine for them. We would expect the wow 2 game to be much of the sime. So we would stay away. We know what we like, and we like our ffxi.
We like putting the hours in, we like feeling rewarded for completing missions, or gaining levels. There is something to be said for dinging level 75 and having the group say "w00t, grats!" etc. Opposed to just going out and doing it all your lonesome. (sorry bsts we still love you!)
Afterall this is a massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg. Key word being multiplayer.
Absolutely. Of course, depending on who you talk to, multiplayer could mean simply that you share a virtual world with multiple people. Now, if it was an MGORPG (Massively Group-oriented Online Role Playing Game) you'd get no argument from me.
So, how are we being close minded by saying "hey, we like this game. We'd like the successor to be more of what we like. And less of what we don't"
Because the people I take issue with aren't saying that. They're saying that they want the game they want to the exclusion of everyone else, and there's a difference.
There is always room for improvement sure. And the ffxi community has never been shy about speaking their minds about what we like and what we don't.
Yes, and the FFXI community has never been shy about claiming to like something that they really don't like, or claiming to know something about something they've never experienced. I know, because I used to be one of them.
Yes, we want IV to be open to everyone. If you play wow and you want to come over. Sure. We'll open our arms and accept you. Just please respect the fact that we've played the previous installment for years, and we like what we like. Don't try to tell us what the other game does better. And if you must don't attack us because we hunker down and defend what we've come to enjoy.
If it was a case of live and let live, it would be a non-issue. But once again, it's not. It's a case of a narrow minded group of people (or more specifically, segment within a group of people) who can't fathom the idea that you can have elements of other MMOs in the new game and still preserve everything it is about FFXI that you enjoy. That
is being open minded. "We like what we like and you're welcome to join us as long as you only want to do what we like to do" is not.
[quote]In my opinion SE should cater to their installed fanbase first.[/quote]
Their installed fan base, at least as far as North America goes, started to develop with a game for the Nintendo Entertainment System called Final Fantasy. It evolved with subsequent releases across a variety of console platforms. FFXI is only a very small segment of that fan base, and there are unique aspects of FFXI that many of us who loved the other games in the FF universe could just as happily do without, regardless of what other MMOs are doing.
Final Fantasy is much, much more than FFXI, and you'd do well to get that straight.
[quote]And the group they hope to draw second. What happens if they release a came catered towards casual players and the majority of ffxi players decide they don't like it.[/quote]
Then my hope would be that the majority of FFXI players find a game that they do
[quote]And all go back to ffxi.[/quote]
That would be an option.
[quote]And the wow players decide it's nice, but are more comfortable on wow and go back there.[/quote]
That would also be an option.
[quote]Where does that leave XIV? it leaves it as a failure.[/quote]
No, it would leave it a game played by people who enjoy it for what it is, while the people who enjoy FFXI for what it is play FFXI, and the people who enjoy WoW for what it is play WoW.
[quote]Both ffxi and wow both are niche' gaming to perfection. Let's leave it at that. Respect the fact that we want something with a Final Fantasy Online branding to be more of what we love with some tweaks here and there. Afterall you wouldn't want a WOW 2 to be ffxi now would you?[/quote]
Well unfortunately, form the information we've received from the devs, your "tweaks" are shaping up to be more like "overhauls" with some similar elements left intact so that it feels familiar, but by no means the same. Edited, Jun 8th 2009 8:14pm by AureliusSir