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#1 Jun 05 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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We've all seen the in-game graphics from the trailer. Just by looking at that scene where those aquan mobs are attacking, you can tell that this game will require a somewhat beefed up PC.

They've also been commenting on experimenting with the latest technologies, which I think is great...until you go beyond the means of the average guy.

Anyone else worried about this?

My situation is, I can only use a laptop, and not a desktop or PS3 (No room for a desktop and the TV can't be relied upon since someone is always using it). So the way they keep saying this'll require high specs has me a little worried.

Which leaves me with no choice but to buy a laptop.

My current laptop is a single core processor, and if you were to take the last remnant as an example of the PC requirements, the min you need is a dual core.

I've scouted a good HP laptop that has 2 cores and a 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M graphics card for about $1160. That's something I can probably afford closer to the actual release date.

Anybody got any speculations as to what the potential requirements could be based off of those screen shots?
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#2 Jun 05 2009 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Last Remnant specs would probably be fairly close, but keep in mind that the price of a laptop or PC that can meet those requirements a year from now will be considerably lower than it is now. There's time for hardware prices to fall before you need to start looking at meeting system requirements for FFXIV.
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or hunt down a used 20 gig ps3
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or hunt down a used 20 gig ps3
=/ He said the TV was in use too often.
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20 gig won't be enough for the future possibly anyways.

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You could easily upgrade the Hard drive in the PS3 anyways. Alas, he already can't use it so it wouldn't be a viable option. Though a year is a long time away for obtaining a laptop or another TV.
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oh yeah, the tv thing... well, he could always get the adapter that lets you hook a ps3 to a pc monitor.
and im sure 20 gigs is more than enough, the install would only be around 5 gigs 10 at the most.
would be kinda stupid on sonys part not to include the 20 gig. plus the fewer gigs you got, the lower the amount of space games use.
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Start saving for a new gaming laptop! I've already begun saving for my new PC that I'll be buying/building closer to release.
#9 Jun 05 2009 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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Yea there's no way I can afford the laptop I mentioned in my original post right now. Here's hoping the price falls into an even more affordable range since I really want to be there on day 1 D;
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I'm a little worried too. I need a new PC, this one is too old, can't play some of my games, and WoW, even on lowest settings, has bad FPS. I could wait for the specs, but because of the above reasons I would rather not since that could be a long time away. I just hope whatever I do end up with it can still run it with fairly high settings.
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even though i got a ps3, i may start saving up for a new desktop or laptop just because i dont wanna be restricted to my ps3
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Wait and see, I'd say. Don't go rushing out and buying something new now. Specs will change, prices will change, maybe your situation (with regards to PS3/TV/Desktop/money) will change too. Wait until the specs are announced, or the game is about to be released, and get the best deal then.

Laptops are admittedly not the best for gaming, unless you go for something fairly high end. Laptop hardware is generally just not designed well for gaming, with things like shared graphics memory and a lack of ventilation for overworked parts. As an example, my 9 month old Laptop plays FFXI worse than my 3+ year old Desktop.

As a benchmark, I would say that the specs would be similar to a lot of the current top line FPS games and other titles. MMOs generally aren't likely to have the top-top=end graphics at the time, but a bit below that. So, take the top-end now, and that's probably what we'll have for FFXIV in a year or so.

Dual core 3Ghz+, 4Gb Memory, a high end graphics card...I wouldn't be surprised to see numbers like that. I for one will be buying a new PC, but I'm sure there will still be options to done down the graphics for a machine that's a bit lighter than those specs. What you see in the trailer is the "max settings" kinda thing. When you compare max settings in FFXI to the minimum settings, there's a big difference. I still doubt you would be able to play comfortably with a single core or anything less than 2Gb of RAM (Honestly you can't do much intensive in Vista with less than that anyway). Still, this is guesswork.

Also, I keep seeing things like "Will it require Windows 7" mentioned in some places. I wouldn't worry about that. Windows 7 is really just an incremental update over Vista, and none of the changes are anything that would prevent you from playing a game.

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#13 Jun 05 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Dual core 3Ghz+, 4Gb Memory, a high end graphics card...I wouldn't be surprised to see numbers like that.


I remember saying in another thread where folks were complaining about the lack of development in XI that it wouldn't be long before a GeForce 295 felt like minimum spec.... Guess it's a little sooner than even I thought.

The good news is, Win7 will be out in October, which will give us probably half a year for prices to drop on hardware designed for 7 before XIV is released. So looking at hardware now is probably just the excitement getting the best of you and it will be a completely different world by the time it is out.

I'm with the majority here though in stating that you might be better off getting a playstation and a small LCD monitor or flat screen TV than trying to get this to run on a laptop, even a year from now. From the comments they have made, it sounds like the pc version will be a big of a hog and if there is one thing that happens all too often with laptops, it's graphics cards overheating and dropping fps like a brick.

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Guess I'll use this thread to ask.

I've got a top of the line Mobo, don't feel like looking up the specs but the Mobo alone was about 300 dollars. I've got 2GB of ultra high speed ram, a 1TB hard drive, and right now I use the onboard graphics card to run FFXI (it runs perfectly at high settings like this). But I plan to get a graphics card. If I got something like a Geforce 9600 I wonder if I'd be ready for windows 7 and FFXIV? What about like a Radeon 4650? or would I need a 9800+ and a 4850+? I'm also running a AMD Phenom Quad Core 2.4ghz Processor.
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The good news is, Win7 will be out in October, which will give us probably half a year for prices to drop on hardware designed for 7 before XIV is released.


Hopefully SP1 for Windows 7 comes out before XIV, because I planned to get or build a new computer right after SP1. I have a feeling my 2.8Ghz P4, Radeon Pro 9600, 1.5g of ram computer won't be able to handle FFXIV. Smiley: lol
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I don't know a whole lot about the Radeons, but I know that the Nvidia chips you are talking about are 9th gen and we have just moved out of 10th gen chips where the numbering system was completely redesigned (hence the GTX 295 I mentioned above).

I'd recommend waiting at least a few months until the benchmark program comes out and some of us can test against our specs because I'm not confident telling you a 9th gen card will give you the performance you are looking for with windows 7 and especially this game.
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Well if you're going to need an ABSOLUTE top of the line PC to play FFXIV Square Enix is really going to be hurting themselves. My PC is very good, and I have the money for a high range graphics card, if you need things like the 300 dollar and up graphics cards, and 3ghz+ GPU's they're going to be excluding a LOT of people, and is going to be a very bad decision on their part. It needs to look good, but it also needs playability on something that isn't built by NASA, or costs 3,000+ dollars. Because 99% of people won't have that available, so it will come down to if you have a PS3 or not...

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Does your laptop include a dvi port on it? or a hdmi port? if so, you could get a ps3, and probaly use your laptop as a monitor....(aka tv)
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As others have said, I wouldn't worry. If a PS3 can run it, most any modern PC can. PS3 isn't that powerful of a system in reality.

The gameplay shots looked about on par with several games that have already been released. No matter what they say, this game won't have "cutting edge" graphics for games in general, it'll be "cutting edge" in MMO terms, which is always a year or so behind the times.

That being said, I doubt a laptop will be an especially viable option to play FFXIV. It'd be like trying to run Far Cry 2 maxed, or Crysis. Laptops just aren't designed to play more graphically intense games; you could buy one that can supposedly meet spec, but it'll likely be very expensive and have cooling issues.
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#20 Jun 06 2009 at 2:30 AM Rating: Good
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The Crystal Tools engine which XIV will use is a pretty strong engine. It's able to render, real time CGI "to recreate the battle scenes in FF7 Advent Children", which is a serious amount of power when you consider that modern 3D films can take days to generate a few minutes worth of CGI. It's also able to use 4 of the PS3's 6 cores.

In a way we are lucky that CPU development hasn't branched upwards, top of the line is still in the 3Ghz range (i7 3.6Ghz) so we can probably expect minimum requirements to be in the 2.6Ghz range, which is pretty low. Memory wise, minimum should be 2GB.

We should see minimum requirements (for basic no frills gameplay)

2.6Ghz Dual Core CPU
2GB RAM
DX 10 Compliant VGA with 256MB RAM

Optimal?

3.2Ghz Quad Core CPU
4GB RAM
x64 Operating System (even if they only create it as a 32bit process)
DX 11 Compliant VGA with 512MB RAM (maybe even 1GB) and hardware physics card

Hopefully SE will add quality options, from lowest (minimal screen resolution, all the fancy stuff turned off, respectable frame rate) to highest (1600*1200 resolution+, real time rendered special effects, physx physics, 1fps on any system which doesn't meet optimal requirements).

Will a laptop be able to run 14? Probably, but it won't offer fantastic performance compared to a desktop where a desktop can have much hotter running components due to having better cooling options.
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#21 Jun 06 2009 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea there's no way I can afford the laptop I mentioned in my original post right now. Here's hoping the price falls into an even more affordable range since I really want to be there on day 1 D;


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Hmm... better pimp out my new computer, just to be sure. Well, within reason.
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I think most people are slipping way too easily into mass hysteria.

I've mentioned it before, but I'd like to bring up a little game the hardcore PC fans call Crysis.

Everything about this game was designed to perfection, every shade, every motion blur, every shadow. It could blow a PS3 games graphics off the earth. (I won't lie though, it wasn't the BEST FPS around mechanics wise)

It was, and still is the pinacle of current gen graphics. Wanna know what its recommended reqs are?

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OS - Windows XP / Vista
Processor - Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Memory - 2.0 GB RAM
GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar


Not even Quad core.

And carrying on, in a article I read someone was in fact able to make the game run on lowest settings with something along the lines of at a stead 20-25fps;

CPU: Celeron 2.8Ghz
RAM: 512MB
Graphics: (I don't remember exactly but I think...) Geforce 8600 - Don't be fooled by the 8- the 600 part denotes its actually an awfull card.


Hopefully this will put alot of your minds to rest about what SE are saying, it's clearly a figure of speach, because "we will release on what the most recent hardware is" would mean the specs would be something like

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
CPU: Intel i7 3.2Ghz
RAM: 8GB DDR3
GPU: GeForce 9800 GX2 SLi (basically means x2)
Broadband connection: 50Meg+
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I'm praying I'll be able to BootCamp it with my Macbook Pro; since i'll be in college.
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hahahaha i really dont think they'll be releasing it for mac os
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hahahaha i really dont think they'll be releasing it for mac os


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Average gaming desktop hardware out now can easily handle the ps3 ports and cross platform games on the pc. The ps3 isnt an ever evolving platform like the pc. They have to build this game to the ps3s specs. If your pc can handle ps3 games out now on the pc like UT3 or Assasins creed, Id say its a safe bet it will handle ff14 at least ps3 graphics capability. I wouldnt worry if youve bought your pc with a decent graphics card in the last 2 years.
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Hope i'll be able to run it well but based on what's being said, I should upgrade my processor now, everything else should be fine, right?

Specs:
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
RAM: 6 GB DDR2
GPU: 2x Diamond 4850s Crossfire
CPU: Intel e6600 OC'd to 3.3 Ghz

Based on FFXI, it barely utilized the video card at all so the 4850s should be alright by then if FFXIV uses something similar. If not, i'm sure a gtx 295 will be cheap by then. Doubt DX11 cards are going to make much of a difference considering PS3 is still in DX9.

Was wondering if it's worth it to upgrade my processor to a Q9550 and OC it to atleast 3.5-4.0 Ghz. Microcenter has an extremely good deal for $170 on it. Although I'm tight on money right now and was wondering if it was worth it and if my rig would run ffxiv at least on medium settings. Oh and I can run a few ps3 games quite easily. I destroyed the SF4 benchmark and I can run crysis at 1680x1050 with custom configs aka medium setting performance with high setting eye candy.

btw: sorry for bumping old topic, just in a bit of a predicament right now and i'm sure others would like to speculate on specs as well.
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For those who want to know about Windows 7, ask me. No questions on how I got it though... :P

I have an AMD Athlon 64 processor at 2.2 GHz, Nvidia GeForce 8800, 3 GB of RAM, and, of course, Windows 7. I haven't seen a need for SP1 yet.

Deadgye, RAM is cheap as ****, so I think all you'll need to do is dish out $20 for 1 GB or $40 for two 1 GB sticks of RAM. I've seen them go for $10 too. ATI cards suck, but a 9600 might work fine.
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Hope i'll be able to run it well but based on what's being said, I should upgrade my processor now, everything else should be fine, right?


Don't worry about your processor. It might be spec-demanding, but nowhere near as much as Age of Conan, which ran perfectly on my dinosaur-old processor.
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If your worried about specs and are thinking about buying something new to play FFXIV I would just wait till the game is closer to being released. Prices on computers are always dropping as more advanced CPU/GPUs comes out. So the longer you hold off buying a new laptop, you can get one that will be cheaper and more powerful.
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#32 Jul 01 2009 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Guys seriously.... upgrading or worrying about system specs for a PC game that doesn't come out until next year? We will probably go through at the least two more generations of of GPUs and at least one more generation of CPUs before this game even hits the market. Core i5s will arrive this year and I am sure Intel will have something better then them on the market next year when this game launches. Direct XI cards also arrive later in the year and I am sure both nvidia and AMD will make something better by the time this game comes. So worrying about PC specs at this point is really irrelevant. PC specs next year will make this years tech look stone age. Just wait until next year, a few months before the game comes out.

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#33 Jul 01 2009 at 12:40 AM Rating: Good
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I've already got a pretty decently specced PC but I'm saving for a new Graphics Card before FFXIV. Not sure what else I can do besides that - I'm not exactly a technophobe but I don't do 'taking things apart' so will probably enlist someone to do that for me lol
#34 Jul 01 2009 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
Games always look better in these previews. Yes they tell you it's gameplay and using the actual in game engine, but there's still some polish to it. I would really wait and see what the minimal specs are before jumping the gun on buying a new pc.

Some games run great and look great on lower settings. My old pc from 2005 can still run newer games. It doesn't run them great, but it's still more than playable and decent looking. Old AGP card, 2.8ghz P4 CPU, etc...

If you are looking to build, like people have said, start saving up now. I just recently built a gaming rig for about 500$ Canadian. If you're willing to put it together yourself, you'll save a couple hundred bucks if not more. Even if you've never put one together, there's plenty of info on the net, not to mention setting up the motherboard connections is pretty much idiot proof now. Either way though, I would just wait and see what the min specs are, maybe they'll have a huge range from min to max requirements. MMO's like Lotro can run off of a realllly old comp as much as it can beat the **** out of a new one.
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Well, you gotta think. This game is going to be running on the PS3 so a top of the line rig at this moment would be more than enough for FFXIV. Although you'll probably need a really good processor to match that cell processor in the ps3. ;)
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Your not special, MS has been offering 7B and 7RC to anyone who wants it for 6 months now.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx


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Yeah, i know people who've been using 7B for a pretty long time now. It's looking good.
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You could easily upgrade the Hard drive in the PS3 anyways. Alas, he already can't use it so it wouldn't be a viable option. Though a year is a long time away for obtaining a laptop or another TV.


yep, its not like the XBox 360 where you need to buy the accessory hard drive upgrade. AFAIK it'll take any laptop hard drive SATAI or SATAII even 500GB ones
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