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#1 Jun 06 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I only ask this because I haven't played too many betas in my day, and thought one of you may have a better idea than I do.

When one creates a character in a beta, is this character's level usually reset, or is the character deleted all together— upon the official release of the game, or do most games allow you to keep your character?

I don't know if there's a "norm" for this type of thing, or it's purely SE's discretion/ dependant on what kind of glitches they find.

Any speculation?
#2 Jun 06 2009 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Keeping beta characters after beta is over would be unfair. I think they will be deleted or kept on a specific beta server or test server.
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#3 Jun 06 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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SE deleted PS2 and PC beta characters and made people start fresh. 360 beta characters were allowed to transfer to existing servers, however by that point the PS2/PC playerbase was so top heavy that 360 players weren't being given an advantage. Who knows at this point what SE will decide to do?
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#4 Jun 06 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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The powers that be have already stated we may be able to transfer names from 11, so at the very least you will get to keep your name from beta to release, but past that I believe it is a clean slate restart. Honestly with the experience and connections you make through a beta process, you will find getting back to the point you were, and surpassing it (not making the same mistakes you did the first time through, seeing your input from the beta improving any snags) very quickly compared to brand new players. Even though you will have no "unfair advantage" over another new character, the knowledge and connections you have definitely make "catching back up" a breeze.
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#5 Jun 06 2009 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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As a general rule of thumb.
All games closed beta - Character's wiped/deleted
Free Games Open Beta - Character's not wiped/deleted
Pay to Play Games Open Beta - Character's wiped/deleted
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#6 Jun 06 2009 at 11:51 PM Rating: Default
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Just another question beta related:

-Do you need to purchase anything to play it?Or do you need to download it?
-Will only ffxi players be able to play the beta?
-What did you do to play ffxi beta?
#7 Jun 07 2009 at 3:16 AM Rating: Good
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Generally, to get into a Beta, they will supply a download link for the game. I doubt only FFXI players will get in. They may make FFXI exclusive invite events but only allowing them into beta isn't very smart.
#8 Jun 07 2009 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Overall you have different stages of beta with closed and open beta as important ones.
The closed beta is often smaller then the open beta and biggest thing is you can't bring things out you saw/do in the beta to forums.

Gamemakers always want everyones opinion not only from a specific group, in this case ffxi people.
So while they can give there feedback it isn't always complete as you understand for example controls better cause you get used to it in ffxi.
So they will always get random invites even for the early beta's as often for learning it is needed.
#9 Jun 07 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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People seem to be becomining more and more uneducated about what a Beta is exactly.
It's NOT a product, so to speak.
It's safe to assume absolutely nothing in a Beta test. It can crash at any time, cause any unkown advarse effect on your system and your character can be deleted, modified or changed at any time.

Remember, for all you know, I'll use FFXI crafting as an example;
You could level Clothcraft to 100
In a later patch, they could well remove Clothcraft.

If you're planning on wanting to keep the character, don't bother with the Beta, even if SE say you can keep them, there is no certainty in it.

Also: don't bank on it being a Download
A.) PS3's don't offer this kind of service
B.) On PC it could be a HUGE file for all we know.

Edited, Jun 7th 2009 1:30pm by ditx
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#10 Jun 07 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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ditx wrote:
People seem to be becomining more and more uneducated about what a Beta is exactly.
It's NOT a product, so to speak.
It's safe to assume absolutely nothing in a Beta test. It can crash at any time, cause any unkown advarse effect on your system and your character can be deleted, modified or changed at any time.

Remember, for all you know, I'll use FFXI crafting as an example;
You could level Clothcraft to 100
In a later patch, they could well remove Clothcraft.

If you're planning on wanting to keep the character, don't bother with the Beta, even if SE say you can keep them, there is no certainty in it.

Also: don't bank on it being a Download
A.) PS3's don't offer this kind of service
B.) On PC it could be a HUGE file for all we know.

Edited, Jun 7th 2009 1:30pm by ditx


^^THIS^^

Also, if you are interested in being a part of the beta, understand that you are TESTING the game and providing feedback in order to make the game as good as it can be before release. You must apply to be a part of the beta, and you must recieve an invitation. Not everyone will get in. A lot of it will depend on your system specs, whether you've beta tested other games in the past, and if you are a current FFXI player, I'm going to go ahead and guess that they're going to look at your record there to make sure you haven't been banned or have other marks against you.

You WILL be signing an NDA if you are accepted into the closed beta. So, don't think that once you're in the beta, you can go around whereever and let everyone in on what you've seen. You'll be testing anything and everything from the smoothness of character animations to battle systems. The developers will have certain events where they'll have you test specific things, like gathering everyone in one area to test the stress on the servers, or to see how smoothly the game runs during large battles. Once the closed beta is over, they may or may not have an open beta where many more people can take part. After the open beta, devs usually shut down the servers for a few days or weeks, wipe all of the character information, and everyone starts on the same footing at release.

Ultimately, beta testing isn't for people who just want to see the game before anyone else. You are beta testing so that everyone can enjoy the game to the fullest when it is released.
#11 Jun 07 2009 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Also: don't bank on it being a Download
A.) PS3's don't offer this kind of service
B.) On PC it could be a HUGE file for all we know.


While I'm gonna be playing a bit of devil's advocate here, I do need to point out that PS3s do in fact have a download service called the Playstaion Network from which videos, demos, smaller games, PS1 classics, occasional full PS3 releases, add on content, are regularly made available each week... And betas have been distributed several times in this manner.
#12 Jun 07 2009 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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When I played the FFXI beta, it was through IGAMES. Our LAN center was in on the event, and we had to follow some strict rules from SE.

Each person that played the beta had to play the game in the LAN center. We were sent CDs to install the game and each player had to be 18+, and had to fill out an NDA form that we would fax back to IGAMES.

After the beta, we were allowed to keep our POL IDs and transfer them to retail. The only thing we got to keep were the IDs and our friends list. I cannot recall if we got to keep our names. Character levels, craft levels, etc were wiped.

What I would recommend is just keeping an eye on IGAMES to see if they make any announcements down the road regarding the beta, and looking at any news on the official site or on ZAM regarding the beta.

Some betas I have seen just pick people randomly based on PC specs, and some pick people based on their level of participation on the forums. The only time I have heard of people being picked by their experience of playing a previous MMO, was in the WoW beta. I heard some guilds were picked from EQ to test out the raid content for WoW. Either way I just plan on signing up when the form comes out and just looking for an e-mail for an invite if one comes.

I cannot recall the name of the game I beta tested some time ago, but it was a huge file, over 10 gigs, but the files were split into download friendly sizes. I think around 2-4 gigs. I can see a download for the beta being distributed via download, but as someone else mentioned, for the PS3 it would probably be a DVD. On another note I think I remember hearing that people that beta tested the PS2 version of FFXI were sent a hard drive along with the discs.
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#13 Jun 07 2009 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Xraidead wrote:
All games closed beta - Character's wiped/deleted
Free Games Open Beta - Character's not wiped/deleted
Pay to Play Games Open Beta - Character's wiped/deleted

As far as I have seen, I have never seen a game which did not adhere to this patern.

Considering FFXI will be a Pay to Play game, you can virtually guarantee that your character will be deleted, whether Square uses an Open or Closed Beta.

One of the interesting things about Betas, is that your character could be wiped multiple times before the game even goes live. Heck, your entire class could be deleted.

Edited, Jun 7th 2009 2:19pm by Karelyn

Edited, Jun 7th 2009 2:22pm by Karelyn
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#14 Jun 07 2009 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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As mentioned already. They want feedback on the game, not just someone going out there to say they got into the beta. We gathered information from the beta testers to send back to SE. I cannot recall if we did that every week or once a month, but we did make sure that people shared any thoughts, errors encountered, etc to send back.

You want it to be the best possible game out of the gate for everyone to enjoy. Even though you aren't getting paid, the information is very valuable to them. If you get into the beta, make sure to collect notes and send the information back.

Everyone will be grateful down the road.
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#15 Jun 07 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Exactly what above poster say.

Often the problem is that you get a lot of people who are already playing a MMO and so they are familiar with the gamestyle and how it is played.

So it is also very important that SE get people who never played any of the FF titles as they also need their view of the game.
#16 Jun 07 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just going by what I know of the NA beta, we were told that we would not be able to carry our characters over, at all. Then, a couple years later, during the first "Return to Vana'diel" campaign, we were actually able to restore our characters from the NA beta.

In other words... it's possible that you can keep them, but don't count on it.
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#17 Jun 07 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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PS3 doesn't offer this kind of service? i'm sony betatester myself, and i can tell they could run FFXIV beta with no problem.

At an start, this thing wasn't avalaible for third parties, but 3rd parties can run their own closed/open betas now.

For a player it's even easier to get into the beta at PS3, just have to use a code in the store and DL it.



Edited, Jun 7th 2009 3:34pm by Squallido
#18 Jun 07 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Many times on PS3 they have offered betas on the PSN store. You entered a code and your download would start. However the filesize would probably be too big to download. Its possible but I am guessing they probably don't want to make people download a 10gb or so file.

The FFXI beta on PS2/PC they sent out discs. I am guessing they will probably do the same for FFXIV.
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#19 Jun 07 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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The PSN has never offered an Next Gen MMO beta download service, just to clarify.
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#20 Jun 07 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
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The PSN has never offered an Next Gen MMO beta download service, just to clarify.

FAIL, no one has never offered a next gen MMO for any console so far.

When there's one, such as FFXIV, there's no problem on making a BETA for PS3 along with PC (so obviously no beta for nextgen PC, and for me, there aren't nextgen mmo even on pc, just AoC because of the graphics... the others like warhammer online even an xbox can run it lol)

Changing of subject, i don't think a single beta would ever be 10 gb

I don't think they're gonna sent out discs this time (bout could be kewl) right now, we have pretty **** good connections, you can download 4 gb really fast, for both ps3 and pc.



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Edited, Jun 7th 2009 4:38pm by Squallido
#21 Jun 07 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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ditx wrote:
The PSN has never offered an Next Gen MMO beta download service, just to clarify.


Clarification noted, you nit-picker :P

Of course, I would imagine that could change in the near future with the number of MMOs that are slated to come in the next 18 months.

Also, SIREN: Bloodcurse was 9gb for the entire game, so I don't think the size of a potential beta would be the sticking point on whether SE would distribute it digitally or Sony would allow it. It's gonna be whatever they prefer.
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