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#1 Jun 07 2009 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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I'm making my own thread about this, because the "More Races" or "What races do you want to see" threads don't discuss this topic in the detail that I wish to.

It is obvious from the FFXIV main website's art, that there is indeed a small horned girl in the far left, at bottom of the picture. Now, many people have been speculating that this will be a Gria. However, what most people don't know is that Gria, at least so far, has been a primarily Female race (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong).

Now, many have said, the Main reason we could not have Male Mithra in FFXI is because it would offset the balance of one Male race and one Female race. People all too well know, that adding a Female Galka simply wouldn't work, so I and many others have speculated that if we added a all Female Race, it would balance the issue, and allow for Male Mithra (which perfectly well exist, we just cannot play them in FFXI).

Now, another great thing about this is, the Gria are a perfect all female race. They are cute, they have the little devilish horn thing going on, and are feminine. They are to Women what Galka are to Men. This could be a perfect balance to offset the Galka. Both races in their lore are more "divine" than most other races, having a interesting way of appearing and ways of life. But keep in mind, I'm not saying Male Gria do not exist, or that they will not exist in FFXIV, I'm just brainstorming about the idea.

But from what I've seen, it's obvious in the art work that Square Enix is teasing us, both with the Pictured Male Mithra, and the Gria.

It is widely agreed upon and almost certain from what many have seen and speculated throughout many threads, that we will most likely see Male Mithra for a number of reasons. I don't feel like re-discussing all of them here, and would like to keep this thread focused more on the Gria Issue. So if you wish to view those discussions, do so :

Here, and Here.

But what we can gather is: There's a huge demand for Male Mithra, and with as popular as the whole furry thing is, or as popular in the least as being part of the exotic animal race, there's simply too big of a demand to ignore, and they would be losing out on potential money by not adding Male Mithra.

Male Mithra would also introduce a type of personality and mindset for Men that they have wanted very badly and did not receive in FFXI. A way to be more "feminine", without being hulky, bulky, or tiny and overly cute. It's a style I guess many can refer to as "Metro Sexual" (Don't even go past this point, don't EVEN...). But let's not forget, this is a new game, and the possibilities are endless, allowing the developers to be creative, and do many things they have wanted to in the past with FFXI, but were unable to (which they've even admitted to themselves).

Galka, are indeed a very masculine race. And a Female to the Galka race would simply not fit in, but that doesn't mean there's not MANY possibilities for Females for their own races, where Males would have an equal place in not fitting in.

So, with all this being said, I think I might have just connected some dots. But, it's all just speculation right now. What does everyone else think?

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 2:15am by EndlessJourney

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#2 Jun 08 2009 at 12:04 AM Rating: Good
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Am I the only one that thinks that its just an unfortunately placed tarutaru?
Look closely and you can see the right "horn" is actually a shadow on the thing behind it and the left one is part of the hanging plant. Also we can see most of the side of his head and the "horns" aren't attached there, they would have to be coming out from the back of the head.

#3 Jun 08 2009 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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Kazeramix wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that its just an unfortunately placed tarutaru?
Look closely and you can see the right "horn" is actually a shadow on the thing behind it and the left one is part of the hanging plant. Also we can see most of the side of his head and the "horns" aren't attached there, they would have to be coming out from the back of the head.



I dunno! I could be wrong, but take a closer look at the picture.
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#4 Jun 08 2009 at 12:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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it doesnt really phisically look like any of the other tarus in the pic at all
even the ears are different
the male mithra i dont see in the artwork but i might see something that could be one in the game logo
#5 Jun 08 2009 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
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I say do away with gender restrictions on all races, it reduces personality possibilities. They could very well add female galkas to the game, but they might not be pretty. Though, I do think that its a unique idea to have a race that is "single gender," but that race should appear genderless.

However, while I would like every race to have both genders, I wouldn't mind if they added a race where we only see and only want it as that single gender. I'm fine with galkas staying all male as I was never as curious about their female counterpart as I was about male mithra. An all female race needs to match the galka as one where we don't care for a male version.

Gria may be female, but with features like horns and wings people will be clamoring for a male version of them too. At the moment I can't really think of any creature design that I would only want to see as female. Viera perhaps?
#6 Jun 08 2009 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
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Nerio wrote:
it doesnt really phisically look like any of the other tarus in the pic at all
even the ears are different
the male mithra i dont see in the artwork but i might see something that could be one in the game logo


Take a closer look.

And keep in mind all the points me and many others have made about them adding male mithra. You have to also look at it on a developers stand point, a consumers stand point, and a business stand point. All signs point to yes.

Again, nothing is confirmed or certain, but keep these things in mind.
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#7 Jun 08 2009 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Westyle wrote:
I say do away with gender restrictions on all races, it reduces personality possibilities. They could very well add female galkas to the game, but they might not be pretty. Though, I do think that its a unique idea to have a race that is "single gender," but that race should appear genderless.

However, while I would like every race to have both genders, I wouldn't mind if they added a race where we only see and only want it as that single gender. I'm fine with galkas staying all male as I was never as curious about their female counterpart as I was about male mithra. An all female race needs to match the galka as one where we don't care for a male version.

Gria may be female, but with features like horns and wings people will be clamoring for a male version of them too. At the moment I can't really think of any creature design that I would only want to see as female. Viera perhaps?


I agree with many of your points, however, with Galka being in the game, I just do not see a Female Galka, or whatever they will be calling the Galka Like Race. I do understand, that Males would be asking for a counterpart if it's Gria, but keep in mind, Females need a all Female race as well. I've suggested things like a "Pixie" type of race, but this might come very close to that. I also don't see the demand being AS large, especially if they add Male Mithra, for them to add a counterpart. It's another "Fantasy" type "Mystical" race, where it could fit in as single gender, like the Galka. The Mithra have men, and reproduce so.

Anyhow, I see what you mean, yes, all valid points. I never liked Gender exclusion either to be honest.
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#8 Jun 08 2009 at 12:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mxs102/ffxiv-logo-analysis-hi-res-logo-included--135054.phtml

i dont know how to post a pic so i post this
but if you look at the full pic of the logo on the top right in the back
what race would that be?
#9 Jun 08 2009 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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Nerio wrote:
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/mxs102/ffxiv-logo-analysis-hi-res-logo-included--135054.phtml

i dont know how to post a pic so i post this
but if you look at the full pic of the logo on the top right in the back
what race would that be?


All I personally see is, Galka, Male/Female Mithra, Tarutaru, Hume, and Elvaan. I'm trying to see what you are talking about, and sorry if I'm looking over it, but I need some more clarification as to what you are talking about.
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#10 Jun 08 2009 at 12:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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There is only one other taru that I can see and both have elongated pointy ears.



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I agree with many of your points, however, with Galka being in the game, I just do not see a Female Galka, or whatever they will be calling the Galka Like Race. I do understand, that Males would be asking for a counterpart if it's Gria, but keep in mind, Females need a all Female race as well. I've suggested things like a "Pixie" type of race, but this might come very close to that. I also don't see the demand being AS large, especially if they add Male Mithra, for them to add a counterpart. It's another "Fantasy" type "Mystical" race, where it could fit in as single gender, like the Galka. The Mithra have men, and reproduce so.

Anyhow, I see what you mean, yes, all valid points. I never liked Gender exclusion either to be honest.




We're actually not sure if we are dealing with the same type of Galka that Vanadiel has. For instance FFXIV galka don't have the tail their predecessors have. If it is a new type of galka then it probably doesn't have the same lore either meaning female galka could exist.

Besides, female galka wouldn't be that hideous just think of something along the lines of a female body builder with gray fur.
#11 Jun 08 2009 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Besides, female galka wouldn't be that hideous just think of something along the lines of a female body builder with gray fur.


Ohh the humanity!!! My Eyes!!!

All joking aside. Even though you are correct, the world of Eorzea won't have the exact same lore, many things will be different, and the possibility of Female Galka exists, Final Fantasy likes keeping a distinct look about itself. It plays off of stereo types, and enjoys making things have a more natural and appealing sense. Like, Galka works really well, for guys who want to play into the whole Macho Male, Big and Bad guy, Large yet Silent and Intelligent type. It works out really well, but I don't see it working out for Females. So a more Feminine and Mystical type of race, could really work out for girls who want their own race, and something with the type of mystique that Final Fantasy likes playing off of.
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#12 Jun 08 2009 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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Another thing I want everyone to keep in mind is, if they added Gria, as a Spefic Female Only race, that would not only offset the balance of adding Male Mithra, and the Galka Type presumably male only race, but it would also add one new race to the Game for both Girls and Guys, keeping it even, and giving people something great, one of which they've been wanting for a long time and there is a high demand for, the other of which is a huge surprise and very exciting and creative.
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#13 Jun 08 2009 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, what's a Gria's "thing"? Like, Tarus are good at magic, Galka are strong, etc.
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So, what's a Gria's "thing"? Like, Tarus are good at magic, Galka are strong, etc.


Despite their size, in previous games, Gria were exceptional at Melee, believe it or not. Just another reason they would make a good counterpart to Galka. However this is just in previous games, no one knows what things will be like in FFXIV. ****, if I had to take a guess, I would say all the Races would be much more balanced stat wise, and you choose your avatar based more off of just appearance.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 2:13am by EndlessJourney
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gria: i agree that we should have an all female race or no gender restrictions at all. and i also agree with what someone else said about making us not care about the other gender like galka did. that being said gria wouldnt cut it. as it was said ide be too interested in the male version. now veira...i could care less about what there maels look like lol im to preoccupied with the female version. the mithra came close to this, but the idea of being lion-ish and/or tiger-ish or whatver is kinda appealing to guys.

galka females: though i dont care...who said they'd be ugly? there are animal species where there are huge differences between the male and female of the species to where it took a long time for people to realize "oh snap, thats the same animal!!!" like the angler fish. female galka may look nothing like the male counterpart and look quite feminine. also if they truely are galka, like truely, then dont females not exist? i was pretty sure they were all guys and reproduced through reincarnation. of course this is a new game, and there are differences between the galka like character in the trailer and galkas in FFXI. the resemblance being superficial is not only possible, but likely.

viera: yeah, im a perv. but i can honestly say i dont want them in the game for pervy reasons <was never really into pixels lol, tey arent my type> but **** i cant say they arent asthetically pleasing. but they do genuinly interest me. fran was one of the few characters i actually liked in FFXII. i think they would be a great addition

male mithra: as ive stated, it would be cool to be calike AND a guy. whether it be a kitty type like the way most female mithra were in XI or a big cat type like a lion or tiger or something. cats in nature prove to be

1)agile
2)flexable
3)strong
4)fast
5)smart and quick thinking
6)vicious

its appealing to all genders and all ages
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regardless i think we all agree that we need more races. rehashed old ones are fine..but that better not be it. i wouldnt mind recycled ones from other games or new ones entirely. or both. maybe bring all the old races, add male mithra, and bring in viera gria and ronso and maybe another one, and 1 or 2 new ones

trick out the customization and voila
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#16 Jun 08 2009 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Galka, are indeed a very masculine race. And a Female to the Galka race would simply not fit in, but that doesn't mean there's not MANY possibilities for Females for their own races, where Males would have an equal place in not fitting in.


Sexist! There are a lot of butch women out there and proud of it too!
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it is not about being "Sexist" is it about marketing
if you think of te fact that most of less feminine hume faces were almost completely ignored when making a character and that Elvaan females were also very rare because considered too bulky.. i dont think a female galka would have much success

and i am not trying to be even more sexist :o i am a woman and i play a female Tauren in WoW >.> so i wouldnt mind it but i am not the whole ff audience

sorry if this doesnt make sense XD
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Sexist! There are a lot of butch women out there and proud of it too!


Ohh Please... Hopefully you are joking though...

I'm as far from sexist as you can be, but from what I've personally seen, 99% of women wouldn't like to be anymore masculine than Elvaan women already are. I mean hey, whatever your thing is, is fine with me. But you also have to think of marketing and how the majority of people will feel about something.

Having a Cat Boy, or a Horned Demon Girl is one thing, having a very out of place in the Final Fantasy universe, hulking, body building Galka Woman, while I personally wouldn't care, probably wouldn't set over well with the playerbase, or what Square Enix goes for as far as the feel of the Final Fantasy series.

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#19 Jun 08 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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Am I the only person who thinks the "Gria" on the FFXIV site looks more like (Square Enix's idea of) a boy?
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I think it looks like a Gria boy but pretty much most of the characters in the artwork look somehow like lil kids...
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actually yeah i was under the impression it was male as well
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#22 Jun 08 2009 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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It looks male to me too, but I agree that it looks like a Gria to me and not just objects behind the head.
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I'm sure there are plenty of women who would be glad to play as a female that won't be harassed by horny 14-year-olds. Or middle aged losers, as the case may be.

Also, don't assume that everyone is as attached to traditional gender roles as you are, or that everyone finds the same things attractive that you do, or that some people wouldn't simply like to play as an ugly character.

That said, I seriously doubt there will be any females in the new Galka-like race. SE is, in fact, quite attached to traditional gender roles. Would it kill them to have the woman as the aggressive sword-slinger and the male as the weak mage for just one ******* time?

Not that I can talk, I made Fran into a mage on my FFXII game.

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You really aren't. There are degrees of sexism below making kitchen jokes, you know. I'm not saying you're an evil misogynist or anything, but assuming that females have to look and act a certain way or it's just not right is sexism.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 6:16am by MrSenethSomed
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I'm sure there are plenty of women who would be glad to play as a female that won't be harassed by horny 14-year-olds. Or middle aged losers, as the case may be.

Also, don't assume that everyone is as attached to traditional gender roles as you are, or that everyone finds the same things attractive that you do, or that some people wouldn't simply like to play as an ugly character.

That said, I seriously doubt there will be any females in the new Galka-like race. SE is, in fact, quite attached to traditional gender roles. Would it kill them to have the woman as the aggressive sword-slinger and the male as the weak mage for just one ******* time?

Not that I can talk, I made Fran into a mage on my FFXII game.


I have already admitted I don't care how anyone wants to look, but I'm trying to see things from Square Enix's perspective, and what they would logically do/not do, given the demand. Stop with this bull shit QQing about me being sexist. And stop putting ******* words in my mouth like "I'm attached to traditional gender roles". If you haven't noticed I'm excited to be a male mithra, why? Because it will allow me to be more feminine as I am in the real world.

I'm perfectly fine with anything, so stop putting words in my mouth, and go be butthurt and WAHHHHHHH some where else please.
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Anyone else giggle when you read the word "butthurt"? *giggle*

Anyway, I should say something on topic...anyone think the Gria will get their own nation? They sound like they would fit well in the Elvann nation.
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MrSenethSomed wrote:

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You really aren't. There are degrees of sexism below making kitchen jokes, you know. I'm not saying you're an evil misogynist or anything, but assuming that females have to look and act a certain way or it's just not right is sexism.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 6:16am by MrSenethSomed


You are the most insecure person I've seen around these boards lately. Try actually reading my posts, like the one saying

EndlessJourney wrote:
having a very out of place in the Final Fantasy universe, hulking, body building Galka Woman, while I personally wouldn't care, probably wouldn't set over well with the playerbase


I'm sorry that you can't accept reality how it is. Most people are honestly judgmental about these sort of things, and I'm pointing out how that would be a reason why a video game developer that didn't even put darker skin tones in their last MMO might not go for something like that.

Some one very important in my life is actually a female body builder, hard to believe right? If I had my way, personally? There would be 20 different races, and some of them would indeed be ugly to add more depth to the game. But this is Square Enix, and I'm trying to follow their patterns and what they will most likely do and not do.

Again, I'm glad you need some one to take your raging emotions and hormones out on, but don't make it me, because once again, as I have tried to describe many times here, I am far from sexist, and completely against it, so take your bullshit some where else.
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I'm not QQing and I'm not butthurt. Don't project your feelings onto me.

I would have played a male mithra if one were available in FFXI, but not because I wanted to be feminine. I simply liked the idea of being a cat, and the attributes that come with it. You know, agility, cunning, aloofness, and things like that. I'm just not really into playing cross-gender, so I went with elvaan. I wish I could say I had a good reason, but I just picked the tallest character available.

In any case, do try to calm down. Nobody is impressed by your large collection of euphemisms for crying.

EDIT: Oh man, this is just too funny:
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You are the most insecure person I've seen around these boards lately.


More projection. I'm not the one desperately flailing around. Seriously, take a deep breath. It's ok.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 6:31am by MrSenethSomed
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First of all, I totally agree that male mithra would fill a market that FFXI'ers have been begging for for forever, an agile cunning race without having to get hit on by every male on the server :-p

What if galkas are gendered beings in this game, but the males and females look DRASTICALLY different, like a peacock male and female, while the male looks like

http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/11-galka-a.jpg

the female could look like

http://animedesho.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/ffx12viera.jpg

*chuckles, giving up on trying to sound serious*

.....even a *** man can advocate bunny girls in an MMORPG! Flimsy defense of not!
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#29 Jun 08 2009 at 3:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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MrSenethSomed wrote:
butthurt


*giggle*

MrSenethSomed wrote:
I simply liked the idea of being a cat, and the attributes that come with it.


I can relate. The mithra race was very tempting to me, but my personality better fits a taru.
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I'd assume that if there were female galka-or-whatever-they'll-really-be-called in the game they would have been in at least one of the released pictures. Of course, if your peacock theory is right, maybe the little horned person is the female galka. They could be like those fish that have tiny males and huge females, and the males permanently attach themselves to their mate, only with the genders swapped. What else do you think those horns are for?

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Well, nobody wants bunny boys. And I'll admit that I'm being sexist here!
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I really am the only one! xD

Anyways I now have 100% proof that its a taru! Check out where it is looking in the picture. Doesn't that seem a little low to be that mithra's face? Only a taru would be that pervvy so openly!
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MrSenethSomed wrote:
I'm not QQing and I'm not butthurt. Don't project your feelings onto me.

I would have played a male mithra if one were available in FFXI, but not because I wanted to be feminine. I simply liked the idea of being a cat, and the attributes that come with it. You know, agility, cunning, aloofness, and things like that. I'm just not really into playing cross-gender, so I went with elvaan. I wish I could say I had a good reason, but I just picked the tallest character available.

In any case, do try to calm down. Nobody is impressed by your large collection of euphemisms for crying.

EDIT: Oh man, this is just too funny:
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More projection. I'm not the one desperately flailing around. Seriously, take a deep breath. It's ok.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 6:31am by MrSenethSomed


Flailing around? I'm describing what an idiot you are, with amazement, and how insecure you are. You come here and start insulting me out of no where, when I explain several times that I'm not sexist in the least, and that I'm very far from it, but you are insecure about how people are, obviously this entire topic struck a nerve with you that you felt the need to lash out onto me about being sexist when there is no basis for what you even say.

Also, being completely hypocritical and saying I'm projecting things onto you that I'm obviously not, only makes you look like a bigger idiot.
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Yes, when I calmly pointed out that assuming females must look a certain way is, by definition, sexist, I was "lashing out." You sure got me there. You're obviously not even remotely agitated, and it was very silly of me to think you were.

You're also correct that my tone is obviously insecure, as opposed to yours, which is solidly rock-ribbed. You got me! Wow, to think I didn't see it in myself.

I clearly need to spend some time reexamining who I am. Not you like, who is plainly self-assured.
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MrSenethSomed wrote:
Yes, when I calmly pointed out that assuming females must look a certain way is, by definition, sexist, I was "lashing out." You sure got me there. You're obviously not even remotely agitated, and it was very silly of me to think you were.

You're also correct that my tone is obviously insecure, as opposed to yours, which is solidly rock-ribbed. You got me! Wow, to think I didn't see it in myself.

I clearly need to spend some time reexamining who I am. Not you like, who is plainly self-assured.


Agitated? No, Frustrated? A bit. When you go into a thread where some one is trying to discuss the new races and possibilities at hand, and they are obviously trying to put things in Square Enix's perspective, and where they explain several times that they are talking about the majority of players, and that they widely do not care how some one looks, especially being as they want to be a bit different their self, then you call them sexist, and insult them out of no where, then you do not listen to them reason with you about how they are in no way sexist and do not mind anyone looking how they want, do you expect them not to be a bit frustrated?

It seems from most of your posts you are honestly after that goal, of just arguing with people and trying to agitate them. You proclaim out of no where, in a negative and abrasive manner that I am sexist, and when I try to assure you that I'm not, you try to argue with me with what my views are.

There is no evidence to back up your claims, and everything to disprove it, and I sit here and tell you directly that if there was some one to actually SUPPORT Female Galka it would probably be me, but that I'm trying to explain the views of players and the developers. But you cannot simply hear that out, you have to be right in your claim that I am sexist don't you? So you know what? To shut you the **** up, there, you're totally right, I'm completely sexist! Are you happy now? Go away if you don't want to discuss Gria or the new race or I'm reporting you for derailing a thread and harassment. This isn't a thread about EndlessJourney and if he is sexist or not, it's a thread about Gria and new races.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 5:06am by EndlessJourney
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Yes, when I calmly pointed out that assuming females must look a certain way is, by definition, sexist, I was "lashing out." You sure got me there. You're obviously not even remotely agitated, and it was very silly of me to think you were.

You're also correct that my tone is obviously insecure, as opposed to yours, which is solidly rock-ribbed. You got me! Wow, to think I didn't see it in myself.

I clearly need to spend some time reexamining who I am. Not you like, who is plainly self-assured.


God forbid the playerbase (or, just myself), would rather have females actually look female and not look male, but have a vag.

Having females look feminine is not being sexist. Sheesh.
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EndlessJourney,

Actually I pointed out one part of your thinking that I found sexist. And you could have just agreed that it was sexist and have let it go, but instead you deny it, make arguments again that are just as bad and go on a tantrum versus MrSenethSomed, derailing your own thread.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 2:20pm by RedGalka
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#37 Jun 08 2009 at 4:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Female Galka in the logo as pointed out in a previous post.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 9:12am by TraumaFox
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double post

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 8:23am by TraumaFox
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RedGalka wrote:
EndlessJourney,

Actually I pointed out one part of your thinking that I found sexist. And you could have just agreed that it was sexist and have let it go, but instead you deny it, make arguments again that are just as bad and go on a tantrum versus MrSenethSomed, derailing your own thread.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 2:20pm by RedGalka


Let me say this one more time.

This is not a thread about sexism, or other people thinking I'm something that I'm not, and taking something that they know is out of context just to argue it. I'm not going to keep explaining, how I have nothing against the idea of it, but that the way Square Enix sets up Final Fantasy games, and the Lore behind the races themselves, that it would simply not "fit in" right. That does not mean I am some one who is sexist, or that I am judgmental about anyone or how they want to look. I am quite different myself, and am very accepting of very different people as well.

If you go on about the sexist thing as well, I will report you to. Drop it.
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#40 Jun 08 2009 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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that is acttualy what i was pointing out as male mithra XD
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Please, report me for responding to you. I could use some more laughs this morning. You've already provided so many, it seems greedy to ask for more, but heck, if you're offering...

P.S. Being frustrated is a form of agitation. You're really not one for definitions, are you?
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Now, many have said, the Main reason we could not have Male Mithra in FFXI is because it would offset the balance of one Male race and one Female race. People all too well know, that adding a Female Galka simply wouldn't work, so I and many others have speculated that if we added a all Female Race, it would balance the issue, and allow for Male Mithra (which perfectly well exist, we just cannot play them in FFXI).


This is a curious assumption and one that I must debunk. A skilled illustrator can make a female Galka that we could all eventually love.

Or perhaps it is best stated that we do not have TRUE evidence that SE wants to preserve balance so far as choice is concerned. Were there not more Melee classes in XI than Mage classes? (Counting neither Bard nor Summoner in that equation). We shouldn't assume SE is trying to balance numbers here.
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ITA KPBeta, it seems people are quick to imagine a female galka as something akin to a male galka in drag. A friend pointed out to me how WoW handled female Draenei and also how Lineage 2 designed Female Orcs.

As for the gender balance issue, I see no problem in having one race only represent one gender while the others represent both.

Now in regards to the supposed Gria, it is a very interesting theory! Especially considering how your attention is particularly drawn to the character rather than have it as a subtle figure in the background. I'm definitely eager to finding out more on what they have planned for the playable races and if there are new ones being added.
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Play nice children.

On a related note the report post button is not to be used when someone is engaged in an argument that you keep responding to and are apperently losing.
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I think that clearly defined gender roles give designers a safe way to create avatars that the most amount of people can easily identify with.

Perhaps blurring these distinctions is also something appropriate in this day and age. With all the tools at their disposal, I am sure Square Enix will deliver much more variety in character creation this time around, and satisfy the people who are looking for more nuanced character types.

An interesting topic that doesn't require any personal attacks.

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You guys are using AMINO art to try to identify GENDER?!
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#47 Jun 08 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
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personally i wouldn't mind them to just add female galka and male mithra both plus a couple more races to keep the game fresh
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personally i wouldn't mind them to just add female galka and male mithra both plus a couple more races to keep the game fresh


The game is new, how would it not be fresh already? o.O
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#49 Jun 08 2009 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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well considering they used old races that aspect of the game look wise even if improved is not so new :/ to me at least


Dengeki: What will FFXIV have in common with FFXI?
Tanaka: The game will be taking place in an entirely new world, but the game’s setting and characters look similar to XI’s. To help players feel more at ease in the FFXIV universe, we specifically chose to model the new characters after the old ones.


that sounds so much like remake :(

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 10:05am by Nerio
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There were historical reasons why we couldn't play male mithras and female galkas (male mithras stayed at home, galka are technically Asexual), but this is a different universe and because of that, these races won't be called "Mithra" or "Galka" and thus, could have female and male sexes. I would also guess that they are adding at least one new style of race, which would make sense since this game has the potential to be much larger than FFXI and would require another race for more variety.
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KPBeta wrote:

This is a curious assumption and one that I must debunk. A skilled illustrator can make a female Galka that we could all eventually love.


Something like this, maybe?

Actually, FF14 galkas seem to be a lot better proportioned than FF11 ones, at least about the relative sizes of torso and legs. This opens up better chances for appealing females.
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