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#52 Jun 08 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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Yep at best they could be very hot, at worst they'd be like human females in WoW... which is still just okay.
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#53 Jun 08 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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People all too well know, that adding a Female Galka simply wouldn't work


Why wouldn't it work exactly? Because the Bastok storyline says so? This isn't FFXI, this isn't Vana'deil and those aren't really "Galka". And even if they are called Galka, that does not make them the same Galka in FFXI. Reaccuring characters and races have shown throughout the FF series and in each follow a completely different background and set of rules.

Shiva lived under the Earth one FF, another planet in other games and was nothing more than a genie in a bottle in others. Moogles can say nothing but "Kupo" in some FFs and live in caves while in others they are as human as any of the other races, living in cities and speak normally.

You can breed a Green chocobo in FFXI, but that doesn't mean it can run over mountains. Gilgamesh lives in Norg and has no idea who "Butz" is. FFXII has "humes", but they were not created by the FFXI gods. Many FF games have crystals, but they have very different roles in each. The list goes on and on, but don't assume any FFXI rules will be applied in FFXIV.
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#54 Jun 08 2009 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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All I know is that if that little horned person is a Gria, and winds up playable, then SE is introducing Ivalice races into the game and I better see Bangaa, Viera, and Nu Mou playable at the least. >_>
#55 Jun 08 2009 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't any new race show up in the logo? I'd assume all races would be in it...

Also, two things:

1) The Gria in that picture definitely looks like a young boy to me.

2) I do not see a male Mithra anywhere in that picture.


Edited, Jun 8th 2009 10:47am by Seloan
#56 Jun 08 2009 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Same races playing different roles in this FF. Females Galka might very well be in this game and the Gria looking boy/girl might just be a new race completely since I don't see any wings on him/her.


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/439/98123464.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4157/hmmml.jpg
What race is that supposed to be?
It's not a female Elvaan...
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#57 Jun 08 2009 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Thx so much for the link Jotabe cuz it helped me to remember the truly hillarious ffxi manga "Level Up" (drawn by Calcula). I hadn't kept up with it for well over a year and I wonder if she'll do some for ffxiv when it comes out. *Makes mental note to post up a msg on Calcula's site and ask*

Endless Journey, awesome speculations (and yes, I just read your blog as well, superb jottings there xD). I personally agree that you might be on to something regarding the Gria and male Mithra thingy, and it makes great marketing sense. I say this because I remember a while back I was reading an interview with Square Enix president Yoichi Wada, and he explained how they research very deeply on female player demographics.

Particularly, he said that: "When marketing to females, there is a separation between elementary school, middle school and high school. You also have honor students, girls into fashion, girls popular among the boys - the female community is more varied." (You can read the full interview here.

When one really thinks about what he said, you begin to gather that for a game on a massive scale like ffxiv, the devs would have created a suitable amount of races to cater for the female player base; and thus the high possibilty of adding a "cutie-furry" kinda race. Hence the Gria, so yes I agree with this theory.

Yeah, EndlessJourney... you're onto something here. ^^



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#58 Jun 08 2009 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I think female Galka can be pulled off. When I read this thread first thing that came to mind was the Dreanai race the males arent much to look at but the females pull the more femanin card off well. So I have faith it can be done.
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#59 Jun 08 2009 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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There seems to be a giant assumption that female galka are going to look like their male counterparts after a botched gender reassignment. It's very possible that they only resemble Galka in skin tone but are otherwise "normal" (normal being the stereotypical definition of female beauty perpetuated by cultural obsessions..blabhlahblahblah soapbox)
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#60 Jun 08 2009 at 7:54 PM Rating: Good
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They are cute, they have the little devilish horn thing going on, and are feminine.


This sounds like 99% of women in a nutshell. Especially the devilish part.
#61 Jun 08 2009 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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You know ..... Funny thing .... thats probably just a elvaan girl in smn af.....
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#62 Jun 08 2009 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I also don't see why there couldn't be female Galka. Especially with the new Galka looking a bit more like big, regular people...with grey skin. They could just be like "normal" girls, but taller, or beefier but not as beefy as the males.

****, I'd love it if they had Girlka's that were an inbetween, with some muscles on top of a slightly bulky but very feminine frame. It could be done.

But any case, I'd love to see Gria in the game along with more new races. So long as most of them aren't gender specific.

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#63 Jun 09 2009 at 12:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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You really aren't. There are degrees of sexism below making kitchen jokes, you know. I'm not saying you're an evil misogynist or anything, but assuming that females have to look and act a certain way or it's just not right is sexism.


It's been my experience that the vast majority of women don't enjoy playing ugly/unfeminine characters. I know scores of men who will play female characters (for whatever reason) but women who will play male characters or who will play masculine looking female characters seem fairly rare, though they do exist.

This is only my perception. There could be legions of secret women who play as male characters and just don't tell any one, or who have somehow evaded my notice. On the other hand, I can only draw conclusions based on what I have personally observed or what seems to fit a more general pattern.

It would be sexist to say that all women would prefer a feminine/pretty looking race vs a masculine looking race, but I don't think it's sexist to say that the former would be far more popular than the latter.

Certainly, S-E has access to their own marketing research, if marketing is indeed a consideration when it comes to the inclusion of a new race.

To me, the mysterious character appears to be male, possibly a human boy.

Also, it's always been my perception that Elvaan males are the true metrosexuals of Vanadiel.
#64 Jun 09 2009 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't understand why there would need to be a balance. An all male race, or all female race, either or, both, but why do we have to have one because we have the other. I think that alone would make it interesting and mix things up. Personally galka could stay all male, and that Gria (if thats what it is) personally looks male to me, but then again we're all speculating and seeing different things.

A galkan-like woman would look kind of savage, like an overgrown cat/ape type creature. Or maybe they would make them elegant and lithe, ya never know I can see both sides being played. Just because a male of a particular race has an attribute doesn't mean the females have to share it.

I think it is fun and fine to speculate, but to argue some logistics as to if you have one you have to have the other you gotta ask yourself first: why? and then second: would it really even matter? I'm sure females all over the world wouldn't turn their heads in disgust then projectile vomit and boycott FFXIV, i for one do not care lol.

PS: If they added viera i'd definately play it though!!
#65 Jun 09 2009 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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People all too well know, that adding a Female Galka simply wouldn't work
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Galka, are indeed a very masculine race. And a Female to the Galka race would simply not fit in, but that doesn't mean there's not MANY possibilities for Females for their own races, where Males would have an equal place in not fitting in.

I have two words for you...

"@#%^... That"

Seriously, if I wanna play a masculine female, I should be able to. I see absolutely no reason why the new "Galka like" race cannot have females. The old justification was that they reproduced assexually, but that's just a crappy excuse.

If men want to play an effeminite race like mithras, why shouldn't women be able to play a masculine race like Galkas?

Maybe I like playing a Fantasy game, and don't want to play the pretty princess who has to be saved. Maybe I like being strong? Maybe I like playing dwarven-like masculine races? Maybe I like playing WAR instead of WMG? Why shouldn't I be allowed to?

EDIT: That wasn't meant to come of like, all angry like that. But seriously. It's ridiculous to think that some women wouldn't like playing a female Galka.

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 9:27am by Karelyn
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#66 Jun 09 2009 at 5:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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There are a lot of butch women out there and proud of it too!

Represent!

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Ditto, I play a Female Tauren and a Female Dwarf in WoW.

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I'm as far from sexist as you can be, but from what I've personally seen, 99% of women wouldn't like to be anymore masculine than Elvaan women already are. I mean hey, whatever your thing is, is fine with me. But you also have to think of marketing and how the majority of people will feel about something.

You might think so, but if World of Warcraft Taurens are anything to judge by (The WoW equivalent to Galkas), female and male Taurens are split almost 50:50

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Fran was my mage too. Who can blame you? She's a magicky type it seems like, very in tune with magic in the story.

But I totally made Ashe into my tank. She was all like "RAWR" and with her shield and it looked awesome. And yes, I designed her to be more of a Knight or Warrior style tank, as opposed to the Paladin type tank.

And I kept Balthier around, even though he didn't do much in my party, mostly because he was a hotty.

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#67 Jun 09 2009 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent
Personally i dont think SE will make another gender specific race like mithra and galka were. I think it was a mistake that they don't need to make again because a large portion of the player base took all the races and then decided on who had the best base stats overall which turned out to be mithra. Which is a big reason why there are so many mithra male players running around in ffxi, if they did the same with gria they could just end up repeating what happened in ffxi with them. Its also more restricting in choice than it is anything else.

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#68 Jun 09 2009 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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This is a curious assumption and one that I must debunk. A skilled illustrator can make a female Galka that we could all eventually love.
Something like this, maybe?

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want...

*reach longingly for*

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 9:58am by Karelyn
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#69Wrip, Posted: Jun 09 2009 at 6:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Once again more wow people coming in saying "we like it in WOW put it in the new FINAL FANTASY" and when we disagree saying in the FFXI community the more feminine females work. And that maybe a more masculine female wouldn't work in the next game we're suddenly sexist. This is NOT wow 2. It is FFXIV.
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http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4157/hmmml.jpg
What race is that supposed to be?
It's not a female Elvaan...

The two on the right sorta look like what would happen if Balthier and Fran had children.

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I say this because I remember a while back I was reading an interview with Square Enix president Yoichi Wada, and he explained how they research very deeply on female player demographics.

Particularly, he said that: "When marketing to females, there is a separation between elementary school, middle school and high school. You also have honor students, girls into fashion, girls popular among the boys - the female community is more varied." (You can read the full interview here.

When one really thinks about what he said, you begin to gather that for a game on a massive scale like ffxiv, the devs would have created a suitable amount of races to cater for the female player base; and thus the high possibilty of adding a "cutie-furry" kinda race. Hence the Gria, so yes I agree with this theory.

I found that to be an interesting read... Something that I really find interesting is came immediately after that quote you made... In fact, in a way, I think you cut off one of the most important parts...

"Square Enix does already provide content directed towards a female audience such as Kingdom Hearts, Full Metal Alchemist and 黒執事. We feel it is vital for a provider of entertainment to maintain this wide variety of markets."

I had no idea that they considered Full Metal Alchemist to be designed for a female audience. If that is true, this shows a remarkable level of maturity towards the fmeale audiance, and an appreciation of them behind the "little girls like the color pink and barbies... right?" mentality that seems so previlent.
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What the heck are you smoking? Take that paranoid tinfoil hat off you nutter, this has nothing to do with WoW. There are actually people out there, men and women, who are not opposed to the idea of women that (oh no) look different from the accepted norms.

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Something like this, maybe?


And you can't tell me that looks bad. I'd love to have that in game. You'd still get your mithra anyway, you whiner. Stop trying to rain on other peoples parades.
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For all the women who are trippin balls about the post and wanting to play a masculine female race. Go for it I have no problem. Stop taking everything to the heart. Women are made alot different then men. Mainly because they are women and we are men. These differences shouldn't be capitalized on but welcomed. One persons treasure is anothers trash and vica versa. But take into account unfrotunatly the way the world works >< and not saying its right by any means there is a general idea of what attractive is. They even said its mathematical! Which is silly. Yet no one wants to look at an ugly character model for 7 years of their life but I think that is all relative and whatever makes ya happy is what makes ya happy so play what you want.
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#74 Jun 09 2009 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I think female Galka can be pulled off. When I read this thread first thing that came to mind was the Dreanai race the males arent much to look at but the females pull the more femanin card off well. So I have faith it can be done.


I actually thought about this too. I rather like that race and I thought they designed females rather well. Very regal and majestic. I felt they were on par with the Elves as far as being a tall and beautiful race.

I don't see why female *galkas* would have to be designed bulky and ugly. They can still be unapologetically female while just being on a larger scale than a human woman would be. They would be taller and most likely stronger, but that doesn't mean they have to be disgusting.

I always found Klingon females to be rather ****. Could be the same with female Galkas.
#75 Jun 09 2009 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Well, err, for one, we're not all women. I sure as heck ain't.

For two, no. The whole "women are genetically suited to be what we define as feminine" is bull and has been pretty much disproven. There have been a variety of cultures out there that have valued femininity as being very different traits from what we modernly do, and even cultures where males are the "pretty, stay inside" gender. The genetic difference between the sexes is much slighter than your modern brain-washers would have you believe.

But that's way, way over the head of FFXIV as a whole, so (please dear god) let's not even discuss that.

Part of the thing we keep saying about female Galka is that they don't have to be "ugly", either. Stop acting like that's the only option here.
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#76 Jun 09 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Hear, hear Prinny. I'm getting such a headache over reading some of these responses.
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JingleHymer wrote:

For all the women who are trippin balls about the post and wanting to play a masculine female race. Go for it I have no problem. Stop taking everything to the heart. Women are made alot different then men. Mainly because they are women and we are men. These differences shouldn't be capitalized on but welcomed. One persons treasure is anothers trash and vica versa. But take into account unfrotunatly the way the world works >< and not saying its right by any means there is a general idea of what attractive is. They even said its mathematical! Which is silly. Yet no one wants to look at an ugly character model for 7 years of their life but I think that is all relative and whatever makes ya happy is what makes ya happy so play what you want.


Wow, I was in agreement with you until I saw this post. You know it's less about playing a *masculine* race than it is about having some realistic options. Women can be quite varied in appearance, ranging from petite to atheletic and there are even some physique competitors!

You know men are as varied in appearance as women are. Men have the same capacity to either be physically fit or fat and lazy, the same as women. And if you think for one second that there isn't an universally accepted idea of what constitutes an attractive male, you are seriously delusional. The next time your girlfriend watches Burn Notice ask her if she is really interested in the art of spying. Yet, we have some character models in the game that don't fit that description. Why is it so taboo to have women that look different?

Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Coolidge.

Just two different scales.
#78 Jun 09 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Am I the only one that thinks that its just an unfortunately placed tarutaru?
Look closely and you can see the right "horn" is actually a shadow on the thing behind it and the left one is part of the hanging plant. Also we can see most of the side of his head and the "horns" aren't attached there, they would have to be coming out from the back of the head.

After all this, it would be absolutely hilarious if you turned out to be right... and I think you just might be.

Still, that's an odd looking Taru. What's with the ears and the long neck?

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KPBeta wrote:

This is a curious assumption and one that I must debunk. A skilled illustrator can make a female Galka that we could all eventually love.


Something like this, maybe?

Actually, FF14 galkas seem to be a lot better proportioned than FF11 ones, at least about the relative sizes of torso and legs. This opens up better chances for appealing females.

That's a pretty good design. Alternatively:

Female Galka.
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That's a pretty good design. Alternatively:

Female Galka.
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Right, because any strong woman automatically is a militant ******* man-hater.

Honestly.
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Uhm I remember those: They wanted SNU SNU! (which wasn't a ******* thing at all)
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the first female galka drawing = *drools*

the amazonians from futurama actually kinda abused the males lol

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#82 Jun 09 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Women are made alot different then men. Mainly because they are women and we are men.

I know, but even though you are a man, we still attempt to value you as a human being. *nods*

It's not your fault that you were born the inferior ***.

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Right, because any strong woman automatically is a militant ******* man-hater.

Honestly.

Look, I swear I'm not a militant man-hater. I was totally speaking satirically in an attempt to invert what JingleHymer was saying.

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Something like this, maybe?

Actually, FF14 galkas seem to be a lot better proportioned than FF11 ones, at least about the relative sizes of torso and legs. This opens up better chances for appealing females.

That's a pretty good design. Alternatively:

Female Galka.

Alternatively... We could use the classic design for a female DnD Dwarf, scale up it up to 7 feet tall, and tweak it slightly to make it a little more hairy-er-animal-like.
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/media/images/screenshots/full/nov06fd_06.jpg

Not that far off from a Galka really.

Half-Orc kinda works pretty good too...
http://icewind.db-forge.com/images/female_half_orc.jpg

Another Half-Orc
http://www.josiahknight.com/game/campaign/rules/generation/races/races_half.jpg

A body build similar to any of those 3 designs, would probably work great for the base of a female Galka. I used to play a half-orc in DnD.

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#83 Jun 09 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Karelyn wrote:

Look, I swear I'm not a militant man-hater. I was totally speaking satirically in an attempt to invert what JingleHymer was saying.


My comment was completely sarcastic. I knew what you were saying.

I was just trying to illustrate that males seem to have this complex that any woman who isn't a cheerleader is somehow a threat to their manhood and therefore is an *amazon*. (Got news for you about some cheerleaders too, guys.)

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I was just trying to illustrate that males seem to have this complex that any woman who isn't a cheerleader is somehow a threat to their manhood and therefore is an *amazon*. (Got news for you about some cheerleaders too, guys.)

Besides, I wouldn't date any man who isn't a woman anyway.

So no worries to your manhood, males of FFXI.

:D


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#85 Jun 09 2009 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll be threat enough for all of us mwa ha ha

I'm a cheerleader! (or used to be)

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 7:11pm by Torrence
#86 Jun 09 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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SE is most definitely teasing us IMO, looking at the speculated male mithra, I love the fact that a plant is covering what would be the breast region. The one area that would most likely give us a solid indicator what *** the character is
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I want to make it clear that I didn't intend to insult or smear EndlessJourney when I pointed out his sexist statements. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying you're not even remotely sexist, and then following that statement with one that's blatantly sexist. I don't think sexism is really a positive thing, but it is part of human nature. I tried to subtly hint at this when I called myself a sexist. However, his ridiculously comical overreaction just brought out the troll in me. It's like that song:

Johnny Cash on vocals wrote:
The troll in me
Is caged by frail and fragile tubes.
Restless by day, but by night
Rants and rages at the noobs.
God help the troll in me.


I may not be fully clear here, so let me give an example of what I mean. If a new parent chooses to dress their baby girl in nothing but pink, that would be sexist, but ultimately harmless. However, if that same parent made a big show of boasting about how non-sexist they were, then immediately showed me the frilly pink dress-up dolls they got for their daughter, I'd call ******** on their claims.

Enough of that. Back on topic:

In general, I'd like a lot more options for the characters we can choose. Maybe I want my hume to have a beer belly, a greasy and shaggy beard, and a permanent scowl. Maybe I want him to be a skinny nebbish. Maybe I want butch woman with a buzzcut. This is all before getting into the fact that everyone in XI was either caucasion or goofy fantasy creature. I don't think that the character choices in FFXI were so much sexist as they were looksist. It was just pretty white girls and prettier white boys.

This is understandable, though, especially for a game on the PS2. Since every different body type requires another model to be designed for every piece of gear in the game, the choices can't be endless. This means that, practically, any body type that is used by less than, say, half a percent of the population represents wasted labor on SE's part. Since these can't be removed from the game once they're in, I can't blame them for being conservative here.

The question, then, is how popular would a butch female race actually be? I don't know, and I assume that SE has better data on this subject than I do. I'm gonna guess that there'd be enough people who would make such a character to justify the development cost for it, simply going by the popularity of such characters in other games. Which is to say, not the most popular, but not so rare that it's a surprise to see one.

Besides, how many pretty-boys do we really need?

I hope that they include highly customizable faces, at least.
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#88 Jun 09 2009 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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The question, then, is how popular would a butch female race actually be? I don't know, and I assume that SE has better data on this subject than I do. I'm gonna guess that there'd be enough people who would make such a character to justify the development cost for it, simply going by the popularity of such characters in other games. Which is to say, not the most popular, but not so rare that it's a surprise to see one.

Ultimately, they would mostly be as popular as the game is with women.

Let's face it, there are basically two kinds of women who play MMOs.

1. Girlfriends
2. Women who are tomboy gamers

The first category will play whatever they think it cute or ****, and generally give women gamers everywhere a bad name by being grossly incompetent.

The later generally goes with whatever race they think is most badass, and to a lesser extent, whatever race will get them the least harassment, and let them get on with kicking **** in the game, without everyone assuming they are weak or bad players.

*shrug* If I was to go back to WoW... If you saw a female Elf in WoW, odds are it was a man. If you saw a female troll, orc, dwarf, or tauren, you could be almost certain the player was female IRL.

Go figure how that works.

Essentially... a butch/strong female race would be popular with the smallest segment of the gaming population... women who are actually playing the game because they are gamers.

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Either way, this thread derailed from speculation on Gria in FFXIV straight into The View.
#90 Jun 09 2009 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe what this thread has turned into.

I apologize to anyone who thinks I came off as sexist, because even if I mistakenly did, I honestly am not sexist in any way and did not mean to come off that way. I was simply trying to predict what Square Enix's movements would be. If women want a butch race, more power to them. I always saw Elvaan Female in FFXI as a bit more Masculine than the other females, and actually thought it was very cool. I'm sure if they did add female Galka it would be done right and with plenty of artistic talent behind it to pull it off right.

Again, I was never saying it was bad, I was just saying in Square Enix's eyes, the way they do things, I doubt in their own style we would see something like the equivalent of a Female Tuaren. But It's not to say they couldn't pull off a more masculine female race.

The only thing that saddens me is all this griping and fussing when I never wanted it to be that in the first place, and people jumping down eachothers throats about sexism and stupid BS like that, honestly, try to be more mature about things and know some people might not mean something exactly how it sounds. Don't assume the worst out of people, assume the best, make the world a better place.

That being said, I'm going to request a lock on this thread, because it seems to not be so much about the Gria and Race speculation anymore, and seems to have derailed. As square enix would say...

Sorry for the inconvenience.
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#91 Jun 09 2009 at 8:47 PM Rating: Default
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try to be more mature about things


Coming from you, there's really only one appropriate response to this: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You derailed your own thread by throwing a fit. And now, for the second time, you wanna go running to the mods to fix it? Stop being a **** baby about it.

And in case you hadn't noticed, this thread has had a pleasant conversation about the upcoming races in FFXIV, once you stopped your little tantrum.

Seriously, sack up. And yes, that's a sexist thing to say. OMG!!
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#92 Jun 09 2009 at 8:54 PM Rating: Excellent
Agreed with Endless, locking because this thread has veered way off topic.

From now on, I recommend taking debates about sexism to the Out of Topic forum.
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