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#1 Jun 08 2009 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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The PS3 has voice chat built in to it and programs like Ventrilo are almost required in most online games by the time end game is reached. I think it would be neat, just as long as I don't have to literally hear some guy shouting for a Tele: Yhoat or something. If it were kept to just party/linkshell use that would be awesome.

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#2 Jun 08 2009 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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I'm in favor of integrated voice chat with the following requirements before I would consider it over Vent:

1) It must be of equal or greater sound quality and ease of use as compared to Vent.
2) I must have the option to turn it off.

If they can manage that, I'd be happy to see it implemented.
#3 Jun 08 2009 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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No. I dont personally like voice chatting most of the time. When you put a voice client in a game it becomes harder to avoid.
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#4 Jun 08 2009 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'd rather just use vent instead of seeing this system abused over and over.


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As long as they allow you to minimize without a third party program this time around, I agree with kirb. Besides if WoW can't get the integrated voice chat to function properly I don't have much hope for FFXIV.
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#7 Jun 08 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand why you might prefer Vent but not all players will have access to it. PS3 players would be screwed pretty much to the point I could imagine seeing No PS3/vent req. parties.
#8 Jun 08 2009 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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The issue I see with voice chat is the bilingual aspect. If all the regions of the world are going to be on the same server than you'll hit a big language barrier.

Personally I don't like Voice Chat, but that's just me.
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#9 Jun 08 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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museyy wrote:
As long as they allow you to minimize without a third party program this time around, I agree with kirb. Besides if WoW can't get the integrated voice chat to function properly I don't have much hope for FFXIV.


Yeah. Really, voice chat would be harder to manage (text chat, if someone's harassing you extensively, GMs can quickly review the logs to find the offensive material. Voice chat? Not so easy), plus hearing every other mithra with a deep baritone voice would not be the most pleasing :S
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#10 Jun 08 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Default
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I think I heard that voice chat is something they are considering.

The problem with voice chat is, of course, rude people. The problem with this is almost all rude people are lazy and will refuse to use text to save their life, or the life of the party. So, if you want to keep updated with all party member's strategy, you will therefor be forced to listen to some 14 year old refer to a goblin in racist terms over and over and over again.

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The problem with voice chat is, of course, rude people. The problem with this is almost all rude people are lazy and will refuse to use text to save their life, or the life of the party. So, if you want to keep updated with all party member's strategy, you will therefor be forced to listen to some 14 year old refer to a goblin in racist terms over and over and over again.





I have really high hopes that FFXIVs community will be a continuation of FFXIs and not be anything like WoWs.

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 12:28am by Kazeramix
#12 Jun 08 2009 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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I don't want to have to use voice chat to party. I think the only use it will see is endgame content and personal chatting. I'm planning on playing with a friend from Alaska (I'm in Texas), voice chat would be perfect for that. I think voice chat should be Single targetted or based on Linkshell or some sort, and always able to be turned off.
The no voice chat in FFXI because of PS2'ers made alot of endgame encounters alot harder than they could/should have been. Instantaneous dialouge between tanks? Yes, Please.
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#13 Jun 09 2009 at 12:51 AM Rating: Default
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I think voice chat would be a double edged sword, especially if it is 'optional'.

In the first instance, it would eliminate the whole fake female issue (most of the time), if voice isn't optional. I can imagine this would please a lot of people. However, at the same time, it would give 'real' girls even more of an advantage when it comes to getting help from males who play that way.

In the case that is optional, I'm sure we all know the kind of people I'm talking about when I say it will create a another tier of difficulty in creating parties. Assuming party based play is as big a part in FFXIV as FFXI, even with the more casual friendly elements, you know there will be people who say "no invite unless you voice" etc. I've met these kind of people before in other games, and it does become rather annoying. I for one play my games in the same room as people watching tv. I can't really talk without disturbing their entertainment.
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#14 Jun 09 2009 at 1:59 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem with voice chat is that it would use up a lot of their server bandwidth, possible making the game more expensive to play.
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#15 Jun 09 2009 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Kazeramix wrote:
...and programs like Ventrilo are almost required in most online games by the time end game is reached.

Well, the only "endgame" in an online game I've reached is FFXI, but it sure as **** is not required for anything.

That said, I think it'd be a good addition if it was done right. Have it of course be optional, and you can either just keep it 1 on 1 like /tells, or you can tune in to /p or /l for a group setting.

But really, if they can't stop RMT from jamming hundreds of thousands of in-game /tell advertisements per day into us, I wouldn't think this is about this is high on the priority list.

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#16 Jun 09 2009 at 2:34 AM Rating: Good
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DivyaD wrote:
In the first instance, it would eliminate the whole fake female issue (most of the time), if voice isn't optional. I can imagine this would please a lot of people. However, at the same time, it would give 'real' girls even more of an advantage when it comes to getting help from males who play that way.


You don't need to play a female character to be manipulative.
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#17 Jun 09 2009 at 2:42 AM Rating: Default
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You don't need to be manipulative to get help from males as a female...

Isn't that the whole point? Desperate guys will willingly give up time and effort to help a girl regardless of whether she wanted it or manipulated to get it.

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 10:43am by DivyaD
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#18 Jun 09 2009 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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DivyaD wrote:
You don't need to be manipulative to get help from males as a female...

Isn't that the whole point? Desperate guys will willingly give up time and effort to help a girl regardless of whether she wanted it or manipulated to get it.


I think that this kind of males only constitute a minority in the population but I may be wrong :P
Besides, most females tend to find that particular kind of males a bit annoying because they may help them, they also harass them a lot, so females end up avoiding those "desperate guys" as you call them.


Edited, Jun 9th 2009 7:21am by Lehila
#19 Jun 09 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I cannot remember how it worked, but a couple patches back WoW added in game voice chat for party use. I never used it as I prefered vent. I believe its turned off be default, and you could silience other players in your party if you had it turned on. The config was built into the game menu to change settings.

I think the players hud would glow when they were talking.

Not to sure how popular it was. I never was asked to turn it on. If voice chat was needed, someone usually had a vent server up.

I wouldn't mind if they had in in FFXIV, for party use, and I think it would be neat if they added small gathering areas where you could use the voice chat to talk to others around you or LS halls where LS members could have meetings using voice chat, but to have it open wide for people to voice chat anywhere would be horrible.
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#20 Jun 09 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Default
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DivyaD wrote:
However, at the same time, it would give 'real' girls even more of an advantage when it comes to getting help from males who play that way.

More like it would give away real women actually being real women, and lead us to constantly receiving unwanted help, and generally attracting creepy stalkers.

GAH

DivyaD wrote:
Isn't that the whole point? Desperate guys will willingly give up time and effort to help a girl regardless of whether she wanted it or manipulated to get it.

Emphasized the important parts.

Do you have any idea what sorta guys are those desperate guys? Seriously, they are disgusting. Imagine what sort of individual would be so desperate for female attention that they try to get women to like them online. *shudder*

Too frequently I've found guys stalking me that I cannot CONVINCE that I do not want, nor do I need help.

Just because I ask for assistance one time, does not mean I want you following me around for weeks, much less that I want to be your girlfriend. GO AWAY CREEPY STALKER BOY!

EDIT: I wanna emphasize that most men are not like that. But even one man like that is one too many D: GET THEM AWAY

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 10:54am by Karelyn
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#21 Jun 09 2009 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Voice chat can be a convenience, but it certainly wouldn't replace text chat. Auto-translation, whispers, non-voice enabled players, being able to read logs and take screenshots of your linkshell cheering after beating a crazy boss; even the heaviest voice users wouldn't be able to avoid typing. I'm all in favor of including it, but if they don't, we'll still get along just fine. Don't forget PS3 users have that nifty controller-attachable keypad as an option, something which will promote typing at the same time.

For those of you saying voice would be a bad idea, allow me to direct you to Second Life. Voice chat was a planned feature for some time, and the amount of sky-is-falling dissent being flung around before they finally implemented it was nothing short of embarrassing. People worried it would completely phase out text chat, you'd be forced to buy an expensive headset, it would ruin roleplay (male mithra, deep-voiced tarutaru), you'd never get away from the mic-spammers, you'd never be able to understand other languages (Second Life has far more global presence than FFXI), and so on. Voice was implemented, none of these fears came to light, and it is an enjoyable option that many people use for sake of convenience and accessibility. It all worked because it was well-implemented with controls that let you mute individuals among other things. All this from a company notorious for doing everything wrong all the time.

Point: If SE implements voice chat, they will do it in an intelligent fashion that avoids the downsides as much as possible, because you know they wouldn't settle for anything less. Any issues that come up because of voice chat will be resolved during beta.
#22 Jun 09 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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#23 Jun 09 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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I personally like the voice chat options outside of game and would love to see them implemented and actually work in game. Xbox has it right, so just because WoW fails doesn't mean that SE can't implement a really good working system.

I left a linkshell recently because the linkshell leader actually said that if we ever started using Vent or another voice chat program he would cancel his content ids and quit the game because *chat destroys linkshells*. I didn't understand that and certainly didn't agree so I just left.

I think it makes life a lot easier when you can speak in real time rather than putting down the controller, typing the message, then picking up the controller again. Total pain in ***.

As far as the language barrier is concerned, for those instances where you are in a group that has a mix where you need to chat (the only situation I see this happening is in a party, as most linkshells for end game and other activities are largely one or the other), I expect there would be separate channels to switch to and you could still use the in game typing to give instructions through the auto translate.

#24 Jun 10 2009 at 3:09 AM Rating: Default
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Do not misunderstand, I was not implying that females want to have the advantage that I am talking about. But to dispute that a lot of guys are more helpful to females than other males would be pretty silly. Its something that has happened the world over for centuries. I was just saying that on a game like FF, having the ability to know for certain that a female is a female, would in turn lead to said females receiving help and assistance more readily than their male peers.

Edit: Incase you still aren't sure what I am saying. Even non-desperate guys are much more happy to hear a female saying nice thank you's etc over voice, than another guy. It is just how the world works, unless the two guys are really good friends.

Edited, Jun 10th 2009 11:11am by DivyaD
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#25 Jun 10 2009 at 4:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Vent type communication is a necessary evil in teams & raids. It's the quickest way to change strategies during the heat of battle. I'm not a big fan of using Vent, but I usually have it on just to listen to instructions while my headset is sitting on the floor somewhere. While I'm in town or out farming, I still use my keyboard to chat with friends and guildies.

While playing D&D online and WarHammer, I was glad to see a working intergrated voice system. But then I found one still needs Vent so you can chat with guildies outside of teams or raids. So now I had to deal with two voice systems and two press-talk hot keys.
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#26 Jun 10 2009 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
We've gone in ffxi without voice chat just fine. I think in certain cases it works alright, so leave that up to the people playing if they all want to get on ventrillo and play. What is annoying is when you join a party in another game without a mic, and they are all chatting over the mic and either you can't hear them, or understand them. It also takes away from the realism, specially when someone can't figure out why their mic is so bad and screeching or echoing everytime they talk. So then you have to mute everyone anyways then you dont' know whats going on since they are still talking over the mics. So i'd prefer it left out, and leave people to their own devices if they want to voice chat with their friends.
#27 Jun 10 2009 at 4:20 AM Rating: Good
I honestly believe having voice chat integrated into FFXIV would ruin the game for me.
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#28 Jun 10 2009 at 5:53 AM Rating: Default
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voice chat would mean one more thing Id have to do. guy types to me in spanish probably some cowardly cursing, so I blacklist then he shouts spanish in my mic so now I have to mute lol.
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#29 Jun 10 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Love voice chat but want to limit it to grouping (party, alliance, linkshell).

I also want the ability to DJ as I have on Ventrilo.
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I've played a lot of Counter-Strike. As much as I loved the game, and as many mature players as I played it with, voice chat was murder on my ears. It was great to hear "He's flanking in the tunnel" when it was impossible for anyone to type that fast, it was (and always will be) so buggy for so many reasons.

1) "Dude, turn your f*ing mic down." You know this guy. He doesn't know his mic is somehow 10x louder than everyone else's. He also doesn't notice your ears bleeding.

2) "I can't hear you." Every few seconds you see their 'talk' icon appear, but nothing happens. They constantly ask "Can you hear me now?" to which the answer is always silence, since they can't hear you.

3) Guy whose family came into the room and they're now having a discussion about going to the DMV. This is me. I always forget my **** mic is on. I want to apologize for that one in advance.

4) "So I had to take my motorcycle to the..." Boring story guy. Thank you, boring story guy. I know we would have been equally bored with you typing, but now you get to assault our ears since now it's so much easier to tell every part of boring story.

5) Audio is inherently more difficult to understand than text. A friend of mine mumbles a lot. Every sentence is followed by "I'm sorry, what?" There is a lot of this with voice chat. With text, you can just keep reading it until it makes sense. Even I can understand his "u hav 2 go?"

6) The unruly sailor. This guy curses loudly and often. Impossible to filter without muting him, making it pretty much impossible to play in any sort of mixed company (children, visiting family, moms who don't know MMOs are playgrounds of filth)

7) The user above me just reminded me of something else. People who insist on playing their music for the world to hear. Chief, I'm listening to my music right now, or the game music, and in greater quality than I'd get over a telephone.

One major problem as well would be prejudice based on someone's accent. I think the game works so well cross-region that even if you don't speak perfect English/Japanese/etc, you can still type clearly enough to make people believe it. (I gotta stop quoting lyrics of 'Yatta!' to Japanese speakers. They start speaking to me in Japanese because they think I know how and then I feel like a douche)

So, yeah. While these are all problems that arise when voice is implemented directly into a game, they are also much more easily overcome using a third-party program such as Ventrilo. I also like the idea of the developers and QA focusing all their energy on the gameplay and not with emergency maintenances to rectify a problem where the voice chat was transmitting every message to everyone in Eorzea.

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Here's something to keep in mind; I just read this thread and you all sound (in my head) as nice, intelligent, and witty people that I'd be happy to share a world with. Who knows what my ears will tell me. Also, I like imagining the voice. I don't have much experience with mmorpgs, but I'm finding voice a bit hard to forsee enjoying.

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I want it for party use only. There's no reason to have 50+ people shouting what they please. However, party-chat would make grinding a lot smoother.
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