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#1 Jun 11 2009 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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So with FFXIV on the horizen, I couldnt help but wonder if SE was going to once again turn to Bradys Guides to knock out the strategy guide.

A little info for anyone here who is unfamiliar with FFXI, the Bradys FFXI guide has become legendary amongst the FFXI community, mainly due to the misinformation, errors and poor advice it offered. So bad was some of the misinformation that it had a massive negative impact on the game for many years, even players who had never read it, have been affected in some way or another.

A good example would have been the misconception that a BST pets caused their entire party to take an XP penalty, which led to them being shunned by parties for years, and their are people 7 years on, who thanks to the guide still believe it. And I'm sure most of the older FFXI generation have at some time or another partied that DRK/BLM or back up healer WAR/WHM who were following the advice of the guide.

Whilst it still offered some decent info to the new beginner, in the form of quest walkthroughs and crafting recipes etc, the vast majority of owners considered it a big joke, so with that said what would be your thoughts if Brady were approached to write the next guide?

Would you like to see a Brady's FFXIV guide?
Yes:30 (28.6%)
No:4 (3.8%)
NOOOOOO!:26 (24.8%)
I dont care who makes it:1 (1.0%)
I dont care, I dont use strategy guides:12 (11.4%)
Yes, but only for the lulz:32 (30.5%)
Total:105


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i would for the lulz

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#3 Jun 11 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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I am just wondering... what was not good about it? I bought it and relied upon it for basic stupid quests and mission information. Perhaps skills and what they did or even skill chains... although that was eventually too old to use.

I thought it was overall a decent guide all considering. An online game is hard to create a guide for but a fair bit of the information i found in it was reliable enough.


edit PS. I have the spring 2004 edition so it is quite outdated for any class changes etc.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 3:37pm by boriss
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ashikenshin wrote:
i would for the lulz

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Edited, Jun 11th 2009 5:32pm by ashikenshin


Haha I almost put that in as one of the responses XD

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ashikenshin wrote:
i would for the lulz

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#6 Jun 11 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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boriss wrote:
I am just wondering... what was not good about it? I bought it and relied upon it for basic stupid quests and mission information.


Agreed, I think that was what most people used it for, but even then there were a lot of errors, <pos> typos for example that were quite frustrating at times.

But its main fault was the advice on playing the game, and party dynamics. I dont have my old copy to hand, so cant give many examples, but some of the recommendations were horrible, recommending things like PLD/DRK as a solid all round job combo for example.

I'm all for trying new combos and experimenting, but even then some of theirs were a bit over the top. If they dont work, then dont recommend them!

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#7 Jun 11 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Oh **** yeah
Newbies being guided by outdated info ftfw!
Let's hope SE even add in a few whm/war suggestions again too.
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GenryuOfBahamut wrote:
I'm all for trying new combos and experimenting, but even then some of theirs were a bit over the top.


- PLD/WHM is the ultimate undead killer combination
- Ninja is a "hard sell" as a subjob, because the Ni wheel is past 37.
- BSTs solo because they love the outdoors
- DRK/WHM is amazing because you can cure yourself to counteract Souleater

All GREAT advice and 100% true, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Brady Guide. >.>
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I agree but the guide still had a lot of great stuff.

Pages upon pages of profession recipes.
Item examples of what they do
Character skills
basic macro building
quest and mission info(although sometimes wrong not bad for a $20 guide)
hmm what else. a fair bit really...

I personally don't have any gripes against the guide. Sure for the new players it's misleading saying what job combinations to get but by the time you unlock any advanced jobs or find a party someone will let you know.

The quest info might be inaccurate but at the time it was created it might have been in suite perfectly, changes are always made.

For an offline/free source before alla was full of information it wasn't a bad guide...
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I bought both guides for all the other info. I didn't read the job/subjob parts since I already knew I wanted to be a dark knight /warrior.

I used them a lot when they came and don't regret it one bit. I have them still.

They are only for the lulz now but they got me through the first levels since I was new to the whole MMORPG scene.

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yea when i first bought the game, when it first came out in 03. The guide was awesome nothing i disliked about it great for missions and quest that was so time consuming even when you had the guide just to point you in the right direction so ur not aimlessly running around and for recipes, items, food, armor,and weapons to help build your character and btw drk/whm was baddass >.> soloing.. so they should just for mainly helping out on long quest that arnt hard just time consuming because im all about doing everything my self but when your doing a quest that would normally take you hours to figure out because it had more then one spawn area. i'm up for looking at a guide

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#12 Jun 11 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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The only good stategy guide to an MMO I've ever seen was the Kunark book for Original Everquest by Prima. Pretty much every other book that has come out is useless.
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#13 Jun 11 2009 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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I bought my FFXI guide about 3 weeks before I started playing the game. I think I read it 15 times. The strategies and fighting guides were off but it still had alot of valuable info in it. I hope they release a guide and I hope they do it before the game comes out.
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When I first starting playing FFXI, the Brady guide was fairly common. It had its benefits; namely, access to information about specific quests etc. in a game where tabbing out to check teh intartoobz wasn't much of an option.

What it failed to take into account, however, is the dynamic content of an MMO coupled with the fact that in most MMOs you can't advise based on concept. The job combinations were horrible, for one thing. I don't need to pay someone so that they can look at a manual and put 2 + 2 together based on job descriptions to come up with ideas that look good on paper but ultimately fail in the game.

As far as FFXIV goes, my sense is that in FFXIV we will find a game that will keep theorycrafters busy for years trying to decipher how everything works with the character development system. Brady fails at theorycraft. Bad. And even if they've miraculously managed to hire someone who has a clue in that department, all it takes is one content patch tweak and the book you paid for becomes not more than a handy-dandy coffee table leveler.

One of the things I fully expect SE to incorporate in the PC version of FFXIV from day one is the option to run windowed and/or tab out. With that in mind, I'll take my information from Alla before I'll go out and spend money on a guide filled with as much muddled speculation put forward as fact as it has actual fact.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 8:12pm by AureliusSir
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I will buy one for an 8 hour read wile my game loads. Plus for the first few months its the best source for reliable info. Unless I'm lucky enough to get into the beta, then maybe I wont need one.
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I'm still ****** off I didn't get my god **** water ore...
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#18 Jun 11 2009 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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I managed to find my old copy up in the loft. Its actually better than I remembered, but still full of misconceptions and poor advice after 10 minutes of flipping through here are a handful of random ones.

  • At 73, Rdm's get Cure V!
  • Blm/Smn makes a good combo because you can call a powerful creature to protect your self and damage the monster.
  • Apparently Tarus are faster than the other races, and gain an eva bonus due to their small size!
  • Elvaan are the slowest race
  • Mnk/Rdm is a worthwhile combo for your ability to deal damage as well as enfeeble and exploit your enemies weaknesses.
  • Rng/Thf works great because the eva bonus allows you to pull hate more often, as well as being able to sneak attack every 30 seconds.


  • There just a few brief examples, I could go on for several pages on dodgy SJ combos alone, but I'd be here all night.

    Edited, Jun 12th 2009 4:48am by GenryuOfBahamut
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    I'm still ****** off I didn't get my god **** water ore...


    lol I remember that one too, the fallen star quest in Bastok! I was gutted after completing that one lol, especially considering how much money they sold for back then :(

    Edited, Jun 12th 2009 4:49am by GenryuOfBahamut
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    lol as cheesy and worthless the guide is now, it definitely was helpful during release for me to get up and on my way. I was the quest guru, funny you should ask this because I had some old ls mates hounding me about this a week or so ago, recalling how I used it as a bible and guided us all to salvation XD.
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    I spent a noteworthy amount of my BST career disproving the whole "BST RUINZ TEH EXPZ" concept. Especially when EM pets could be found <33
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    The Brady guide gets a really bad rap, but as far as guides for MMOs go, it's probably the best one that's been made.

    It had great info on job abilities-- when you get them, and what they do.

    It had great info on quests-- how to unlock chocobos, sub jobs, advanced jobs... it had information on the early missions, and even a lot of miscellaneous quests.

    There was even information on how to construct macros, emotes, and basic communication.

    There was some wrong information about a few spells, and the thing about BST pets reducing XP, but 99% of the information was accurate and useful.

    The only place the guide really failed, IMO, is 1) Advising people to put annoying "cutesy" chat in their macros, and 2) Some bad advice for creative job/subjob combos that made no sense.

    In general, guides work poorly for MMOs because MMOS change so much, and because MMO = Internet = If the game is popular, you'll probably find some good information some place, for free.

    Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:51am by KarlHungis
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    I just liked to look at all the pictures and dream of my future in ffxi.. allllll day. Of course I was only 18 when it came out. Now I'm 24, bummed, married, working full time, going to school (again finally), and looking forward to the glimmer of hope that is FFXIV.. I'm seriously using it as motivation to work my *** off, just to have a good month to do nothing but play.


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    I have this funny habit of collecting Game Guides, even for those games that I don't play.

    So it's a yea.
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    #25 Jun 12 2009 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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    Much more accurate information that is, in addition, kept up to date is available online for free. The only reason to buy a Brady guide is if you really, really like glossy pages, and even then it is only slightly cheaper than printing your own.

    Edited, Jun 12th 2009 3:37am by Allegory
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    On a serious point about book guides, ever since FF8 came out in the UK, we've been treated to some actually **** fine printed guides to the main FF games, from a company called Piggyback.

    Usually 250+ pages, and they usually go into masses of details - plus they're authorised by Square, so they get masses of concept art splashed about the place. The FF12 guide was something else - hardback, old tome embossed with the Ivalice map and edged in gold-foil Epser glyphs. For collection purposes alone, I'd be very glad if Piggyback produced an FFXIV guide.
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    i actually looked for a new version. i had the spring 2004 version and i wanted something with the basic missions past #5 and expac quests areas and etc. well, we all know how my search turned out.

    so yea, i'm in. i'm hoping they package it with the game for a discount. doesn't gamestop usually knock off a % when you buy them together?
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    I wised up after about a month into playing XI and took most of the advice in the Brady Bible with a fist-sized chunk of rock salt.

    However, I found tables, charts, and a few other things quite useful for a while. I'd say for the first year or so, I still kept it nearby for certain things.

    Now the Vanadiel Atlas... THAT was a steaming load... incorrect grids, missing zones, incomplete information... Well, not to say the Brady Guide was much better... But at least I got some use out of that one.
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    EbenezerSpooge wrote:
    Now the Vanadiel Atlas... THAT was a steaming load... incorrect grids, missing zones, incomplete information... Well, not to say the Brady Guide was much better... But at least I got some use out of that one.


    Dont get me started on the Atlas lol! My copy was hard to come by, and it cost me a fair penny at the time, only to realise when it arrived that the maps I actually bought the thing for were missing! This was all back before SE released their windower, when navigating some of the more complicated zones like Ifrits Couldren and Den of Rancor was a living nightmare with no map XD

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    I have Spring 2004 version as well, man that book is sooo broken down, the spine is exposed and at the ends the pages are coming apart, i have about 5 pages that have fell out of the book... *takes me back to the good ole ffxi days* =D
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    It's nice to have something printed to look up stuff quickly in front of you. That's the only reason why anyone should own a copy of the guide. The advice should be taken as a grain of salt.
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    Marou wrote:
    It's nice to have something printed to look up stuff quickly in front of you. That's the only reason why anyone should own a copy of the guide. The advice should be taken as a grain of salt.

    I agree. It wouldn't be bad to have a map of the areas, basic information about jobs and abilities/spells, mobs, weaponskills and so on.
    Just basic facts which you can take for granted so you can look something up quickly if you want to.
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    While I wouldn't want another guide with horrible suggestions that ***** a class for years (sorry bst), I would love to see another atlas. I don't even play FFXI anymore, and I still have my atlas around! Though, maybe keep the information a BIT more up to date this time...
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    I've never seen the guide. How bad was it?
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    CrimsonNeko wrote:
    While I wouldn't want another guide with horrible suggestions that ***** a class for years (sorry bst), I would love to see another atlas. I don't even play FFXI anymore, and I still have my atlas around! Though, maybe keep the information a BIT more up to date this time...


    Well there is FFXI-Atlas dot com. >_>" I do realize that not everyone has the luxury of dual boxing. Printed material is nice though.

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    Personally I like to have a guide lying around and although there was a lot of misinformation in there, I always found myself turning to it for the good stuff that was there. Skillchain guides, crafting, basic quests etc.

    I'd like to think they will release a guide for FFXIV, but lets hope that it has none of the bad stuff this time. :)
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