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#1 Jun 15 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I actually got into FFXI on the PS2 and though I went to the PC off and on I always enjoyed it on the TV and couch more...plus I had an excellent full keyboard controller that helped. ;)

Anyhow quit FFXI a long time back (Catsith server!) and went onto WoW but always missed the major elements of FFXI. Quit WoW over a year ago and up until I heard about XIV I was about to buy XI for 360 and start again...

Now I feel compelled to wait for XIV but I will be pretty peeved if it is not out for the 360. I think it is extremely promising that Squinex jumped up right after Sony's supposed 'exclusive' announcement stating they are looking into ALL windows based hardware and consoles.

What do you all think? Will there be a chance of a multi-platform PS3/PC/360 launch?

I hope so.

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#2 Jun 15 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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Would it work though? From what I hear, the 360 already has trouble with stuttering and freezing in FFXI right now. Maybe it's just a bad port, but if it can't keep up in beseiged for a game as old as FFXI, then it's going to be tough to get FFXIV to run smoothly on it.

I think SE's statement was more to include a PC release, which they already announced since then.

Personally for an MMO, I think the more platforms it's available on the better.



Edited, Jun 15th 2009 1:53pm by Calispel
#3 Jun 15 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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The actual quote (Via Joystiq) is:

The game is currently pegged for the PS3 and PC, though "in terms of other hardware devices, including Microsoft's, we're considering all possibilities."

Which sounds very much like a nod at the old Box.

As for playability on the 360 I have no idea...I never played XI on the 360 but I had zero problems on the PS2 so I would chalk any issues up to a bad port as you and others have said. Seeing what the current generation of 360 games are and continue to pull off I do not see it being a hardware issue.

Then there are the rumors of a whole new Xbox in 2010...would be a great game to launch a system with. ;)
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#4 Jun 15 2009 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I think we are looking at a port for the 360 quite a bit later than when FFXIV launches on PC and PS3 in 2010 (hopefully). The 360 is such a small cross section of their MMO customers, I just don’t think they care too much. The majority of Japanese people will play on PS3, and since Square Enix obviously cares a lot about their fellow countrymen the PS3 version will rock. Likewise the vast majority of players outside of Japan will be playing on PC as well, this version will rock as well because there will be many more people playing on PC than PS3. Which leaves the 360. Square Enix will realize that they have little to gain by adding the 360 to the list of platforms. So 360 owners will get another crappy port like FFXI. Screen tearing and lag time galore. I played FFXI on the 360 for years and I would only play FFXIV on 360 if every PS3 and PC I bought kept getting smashed to pieces by a drunken monkey.
#5 Jun 15 2009 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, unfortunately if it is not on the 360 I will be out. Can't afford or want a new PC or PS3...so unless it hits the 360 (Or Mac) looks like I will sit it out. :(
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#6 Jun 15 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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maybe they'll make it for the next version of xbox (if its out soon)...?

xbox360 is weak.
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All I see are terrible reviews for FFXI on 360. It really isn't that bad. It's just as stable and looks better than PS2, and just as good as my PC. but my PC isn't your PC i'm playing on a 4 year old dell xps 400 with upgrades. (I accually prefer to play on 360: 52" screen, wireless controller & wired keyboard) PC might have less lag issues, but you trade one thing for the other.

IF FFXIV has any delay coming to 360 the only reason I see MS and SE bumping heads would be like back in the old days (when SE wanted to bring FFXI to xbox1) how do players get online? I'm sure MS wants a chunk of the change and FF is a HUGE name, and people will pay to play FF. SO i'm sure MS would like to see more Gold Members to come out of it. Since FFXIV is more than likely be P2P, SE wants access on the silver membership. which means less money for MS.

I'm sure SE WANTS to put this on all 3 platforms, they have nothing to lose. more platforms more money.

MS should look at it like this: If people buy FFXIV for 360 and have a blast playing online with other people, it might make them (if they don't already) buy a Gold Membership to play other games online.

Crystal tools was written for cross platform games, and coding a game for windows is probably like 90% coding for 360. (who knows but i'm sure it doesn't take too much work to bring that code to opperate on xbox)

Maybe Sony made an agreement with SE to announce FFXIV "The only console at LAUNCH" but the day after all is fair. right? right. 2010 is still a ways away a lot can change in that time. And remember project Raputure went from Xbox 360, PC & PS3 bound to Xbox360 and PC only, to the current PS3 and PC only.



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To me, starting a new MMO at release is the best. Everyone's still excited, everything still has to be explored, and the whole community is learning things together. I wouldn't miss that wagon just to get the same title on a different platform. But I say this as a PC user anyway, so maybe take it with a grain of salt.
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#9 Jun 15 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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In all honesty if I could get it to run on my 17" HP (4 years old but it ran FFXI and WoW silky smooth) then I would in 2010 when it launches...

Of course I don't see that happening. ;)

360 is my best bet but as just mentioned, we are all learning together. We'll have to wait and see.
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#10 Jun 15 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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For people in your situation, where you can't afford to buy a new console, I hope you get what you want. Have you taken your case to the XBOX 360 forums? There's bound to be more people to chime in. When Microsoft smells blood (for money) they might sign on. After all, noone knows how many millions of $ Microsoft poured into the DLC exclusivity for both Fallout 3 (Broken Steel/The Pitt/Operation Anchorage) and Grand Theft Auto IV (The Last and Damned), shutting the PS3 users out completely. Good luck and salute!
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#11 Jun 15 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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Well PS3 is getting all the FO3 stuff...and I am sure that they will get the GTA DLC also. ;)

Yeah I know, I am just enjoying this forum more right now.
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#12 Jun 15 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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50 millon $ wasted in GTA IV dlc, they could do 10 great exclusive games with that budget, that was some way of wasting money mindless lol.
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It would be nice to keep those 360 players, but I won't hold my breath.
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2010 is still 6 months away and they probably wont release ffxiv at the start of 2010 so maybe a year or more to get our hands on ffxiv. PS3 or a new PC that would play FFXIV is not that unreachable if you start saving up a lil bit from now till then.

I don't think you will be left out if you plan for it. If you don't and just expect them to port it to the 360 and if they don't I think it will be your own fault.

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#15 Jun 15 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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It probably has less to do with SE caring only for their "countrymen" and not caring about NA subscribers than you think. It's mere speculation, but I am 99% sure that it's a Gold versus Silver discussion that they are in right now. I don't think that M$ is going to cave this time around, and we may never see this game make it to the 360 because of their absolute greed. In fact, I was shocked that they caved for XI.

The short of it is, I doubt very highly that this is SE not wanting to bring it the 360 - it's Microsoft blocking it. Complain to them.
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Calispel wrote:
Would it work though? From what I hear, the 360 already has trouble with stuttering and freezing in FFXI right now. Maybe it's just a bad port, but if it can't keep up in beseiged for a game as old as FFXI, then it's going to be tough to get FFXIV to run smoothly on it.


If it runs on ps2 right now id be kind of surprised to see the Xbox struggling. Then again the average PC has a hard time with campaign and besieged.. Most of that was server workload and network traffic.. the client machines themselves being the least of the bottleneck. Even still most of the time clients had a hard time because of the games actual engine architecture.. *shrugs*

Newer engines run better on newer systems as apposed to old engines on newer systems.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 5:27pm by thorazinekizzez
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It strikes me as odd that Microsoft would be against the potential of a large scale MMO on the 360. Unless they simply fear the sky falling, the only other logical explanation is that a huge MMO would skew the market strongly toward large swaths of people who ONLY play that one MMO rather than spreading the love more evenly across the board.

This isn't Chicken Little talking.. that's a lot of money not going to other peoples hands.
#19 Jun 15 2009 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Now I feel compelled to wait for XIV but I will be pretty peeved if it is not out for the 360. I think it is extremely promising that Squinex jumped up right after Sony's supposed 'exclusive' announcement stating they are looking into ALL windows based hardware and consoles.


There was never an "exclusive" announcement... they never even used the word exclusive. They said that the PS3 was the only console it was coming to and at the present, they are correct.

In the responses to the question of an eventual 360 port it seems clear SE would like it to happen, and have said negotiations are continuing. It seems that Microsoft will have the ability to make the title appear on the 360 if they wish it, but it will happen on SE's terms. It hasn't been made clear what the hang up is at the moment. Perhaps MS isn't happy with the current framework XI operates under on the 360. Perhaps SE is asking for additional leeway this time around. It stands to reason the hangup has something to do with MS's desire for a closed online system, and the restrictions that puts on a cross platform MMO.


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What do you all think? Will there be a chance of a multi-platform PS3/PC/360 launch?


I've learned to never say never, but it seems highly unlikely a 360 version could be prepped and ready alongside the other two versions which are already under serious development. And every day MS drags it's heels makes the slim chance of it happening even slimmer. I fully expect a 360 version to grace the console if the player base puts enough pressure on MS for it, but if you intend to play on launch day, you'll be playing on a PC/PS3.
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It probably has less to do with SE caring only for their "countrymen" and not caring about NA subscribers than you think. It's mere speculation, but I am 99% sure that it's a Gold versus Silver discussion that they are in right now. I don't think that M$ is going to cave this time around, and we may never see this game make it to the 360 because of their absolute greed. In fact, I was shocked that they caved for XI.

The short of it is, I doubt very highly that this is SE not wanting to bring it the 360 - it's Microsoft blocking it. Complain to them.


They caved for XI because they still held hope at the time of finally breaking into the JP market with the 360. Now several years later, it didn't work for them and they're redirecting their energies towards markets more receptive of their system.
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I think XIV will hit a Microsoft platform eventually ,Maybe not 360 and maybe not on release, but sometime after XIV is out and matured. Just like how xi came out for 360 several years after its creation. probably to raise the server population after all the "first month free players" are long gone.
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#22 Jun 15 2009 at 5:37 PM Rating: Default
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What do you all think? Will there be a chance of a multi-platform PS3/PC/360 launch?


I'd bet, there is no chance at a multi-platform launch outside of PS3/PC.

Sony announced it was exclusive. If anything, SE/MS are negotiating when it will come to the 360. 6 months after launch or a year after launch.
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Well, unfortunately if it is not on the 360 I will be out. Can't afford or want a new PC or PS3...so unless it hits the 360 (Or Mac) looks like I will sit it out. :(


I'm not trying to be a ****...$7 a week and you have a PS3 in a year, and that's WITHOUT a price cut and one is almost certainly coming this fall.

$15 a week and you have a $800 PC in a year.

Considering the game won't come out until later in 2010, probably the September - November time frame you have even more time than a year to save up. I'm just saying if you want to play the game you have options.

A PC is good for more than just FFXIV. And a PS3 is good for more than just XIV.

There is always the alternative of staying on FFXI XP
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If it runs on ps2 right now id be kind of surprised to see the Xbox struggling. Then again the average PC has a hard time with campaign and besieged.. Most of that was server workload and network traffic.. the client machines themselves being the least of the bottleneck. Even still most of the time clients had a hard time because of the games actual engine architecture.. *shrugs*


If by average PC you mean Single Core Pentium III with an integrated GPU & 2GB of RAM.

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As someone who has played FFXI on an Xbox for almost a year and on a PS2 for about 2 years I feel comfortable saying that releasing it for the Xbox360 would be a terrible idea. It might just be the port, but Campaign killed 2 of my Xboxes and I refuse to believe they could make FFIV any better. I'd rather blow the money on new hardware than waste time with that miserable crap.
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Because of MS stubbornness which they do not allow other online game play service on their xbox live service.. (they also rejected EA online service too, where you can see world tournament on PS3, but not on 360).

If they open this up like what Sony did, Xbox live will be free.

I cannot see there will be a chance of FF14 on 360.

We can see FF11 on 360 because it is on playonline. Now, it will be a different case.

That why Tanaka said they have a big problem on the agreement with MS during interview.

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#27 Jun 15 2009 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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maybe they'll make it for the next version of xbox (if its out soon)...?

xbox360 is weak


They won't make one for years. They expect Project Natal to do well enough for the 360 to not have to work on making a new console.

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Square Enix wants it to come out on 360. The only problem is Microsoft isn't completely on-board with it just yet. SE stated they are currently working it out with Microsoft to try and get it on the 360. Odds are it will eventually come out, but not upon release of the game.
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#28 Jun 16 2009 at 12:48 AM Rating: Default
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I almost exclusively play on the 360. I first started out in FFXI on the PC and moved to the xbox because it was difficult to get time for me to play on what is a family PC.
Although I have not played FFXI for about a year now - quit for a number of reasons - I would like to give FFXIV a go seeing as it is supposed to be more appropriate for casual players. (Didn't like how the game was fast becoming a career.) But seeing as its not coming to 360 upon release, and I would have liked that head start, I'm not sure I'll bother at all with it.
#29 Jun 16 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Default
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Well I kinda hope they do release it for the 360, a couple of my mates only have the 360 so they can't play if its not.
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As someone who has played FFXI on an Xbox for almost a year and on a PS2 for about 2 years I feel comfortable saying that releasing it for the Xbox360 would be a terrible idea. It might just be the port, but Campaign killed 2 of my Xboxes and I refuse to believe they could make FFIV any better. I'd rather blow the money on new hardware than waste time with that miserable crap.


Just out of curiosity, how did Campaign "kill" your 360s?

(I played FFXI entirely on the PS2).
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360s die on their own all the time. It's not the game's fault.
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#32 Jun 16 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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WTF is wrong with people? Everyone should want this title to come out for Ps3 PC and Xbox. does it make thier investment in a console less valuable? No. Will more accessability make FFXIV more successful? Yes.


It's not about PS3 VS Xbox, or what system is more powerful. If you are concerned about that, SE should make this PC only.

But It's a game going multiplatform in a genre of increasing costs and failures. So the more poeple who get to play FFXIV and support SE the more likely of a successful game we'll get to enjoy. It's simple.

Get out of your stupid console war trenchs that were dug in the 90's, wake up and realise we are all rooting for the same game, even if it means we access it from a differnt platform than you.
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#33 Jun 16 2009 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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WTF is wrong with people? Everyone should want this title to come out for Ps3 PC and Xbox. does it make thier investment in a console less valuable? No. Will more accessability make FFXIV more successful? Yes.


It's not about PS3 VS Xbox, or what system is more powerful. If you are concerned about that, SE should make this PC only.

But It's a game going multiplatform in a genre of increasing costs and failures. So the more poeple who get to play FFXIV and support SE the more likely of a successful game we'll get to enjoy. It's simple.

Get out of your stupid console war trenchs that were dug in the 90's, wake up and realise we are all rooting for the same game, even if it means we access it from a differnt platform than you.


Who's trashing the XBOX 360? Agreed. Console wars are totally lame, usually started by kids. I remember the days when I'd trash on the Sega Genesis because I owned a Super Nintendo Entertainment System. LMAO. I must've been like 10 or 11 years old, or something. Now that I am an adult, I can afford to own all systems and a PC. Funny how I now think the Wii sucks. The XBOX 360 does have a track record of breaking. I can attest to this, through personal experience. I, too, have had two XBOX 360's crash and burn on me. I said enough, and got a 3 year warranty on the system. I've also had one PS3 Bluray laser get fried on me. So, from personal experience, each system has its faults. Which system do I prefer? I'd go with the PS3, because it's a more reliable system and it delivers on Final Fantasy titles. They almost lost me when Sony lost exclusivity rights to FFXIII, but regained my fan loyalty when announcing FFXIV.
With that said, it's Microsoft's own fault they don't have rights to FFXIV. They have tens of millions of dollars to throw away on one DLC for Grand Theft Auto IV, but not for one of, if not the most popular RPG's of all time? Please.

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#34 Jun 16 2009 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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WTF is wrong with people? Everyone should want this title to come out for Ps3 PC and Xbox. does it make thier investment in a console less valuable? No. Will more accessability make FFXIV more successful? Yes.


No one was having a PS3 vs. 360 discussion. It's about why it's not being launched for the 360... And it's not SE's fault, it's Microsoft's. Read the thread.
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I've been following this thread since it was made. I just over reacted by a few statements:


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As someone who has played FFXI on an Xbox for almost a year and on a PS2 for about 2 years I feel comfortable saying that releasing it for the Xbox360 would be a terrible idea. It might just be the port, but Campaign killed 2 of my Xboxes and I refuse to believe they could make FFIV any better. I'd rather blow the money on new hardware than waste time with that miserable crap.
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maybe they'll make it for the next version of xbox (if its out soon)...?

xbox360 is weak.

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#36 Jun 16 2009 at 5:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a 360 myself but going to buy a ps3 for xiv cause i want to be sure i can play at launch.. im also gonna get it for pc so i can switch between console and computer.
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I'd agree with the previous poster who said it's likely a gold-silver issue, or at least it's something to do with the xbox live service and negotiations are in order. I don't think any software company on the scale of squeenix are gonna give away anything before the deal is done anyway, so we can only wait, but it's VERY promising that they've even confirmed an interest this early in the development process.
It's also worth noting that since FFXI continues to be available on the silver service, this implies that microsoft are capable of offering this for FFXIV too. The only thing I think would be good is if they plan on integrating things such as further content with the xbox live service - I don't see why they couldn't offer expansions or additional content as a download on the live service, especially if they're scrapping playonline (thank god).
Also FFXI players are going to still be a sizeable demographic of the initial playerbase for FFXIV, and since a large proportion of them are going to be 360 players who obviously prefer to play on a console, I highly doubt M$ are going to want a few hundred thousand hardcore gamers to buy PS3s and defect to Sony.

Finally I'd say anyone worrying about system compatibility is worrying over nothing - FFXI 360 is clearly a rubbish port, far more graphically intensive games play without a hitch on 360. What we've seen so far of XIV is by no means beyond the console's graphical capabilities.

In the unlikely event it dosen't come to 360 though, I'll be buying a PS3. My PC probably won't run it anyway and I like having the laptop nearby so I can muck about on it seperately. Plus since all the new consoles work fine with pretty much any USB mouse and keyboard then there's no real reason we can't have full PC-style functionality from our sofas.
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Would it work though? From what I hear, the 360 already has trouble with stuttering and freezing in FFXI right now. Maybe it's just a bad port, but if it can't keep up in beseiged for a game as old as FFXI, then it's going to be tough to get FFXIV to run smoothly on it.

I think SE's statement was more to include a PC release, which they already announced since then.

Personally for an MMO, I think the more platforms it's available on the better.


I thought that was because of the obvious port or something? I dunno.

I'd expect it to be on 360 by some time in 2012. I'll be getting it on PS3, as I did XI on PS2.
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I have an Xbox360 and had no probs playing FFXI on it, however, if I have to buy a new console to pla this new FF on then I aint gonna bother. Plus if eryone is looking to ditch FFXI then I'm coming off MMO all together and going back to good old Call of Duty. I can't believe Square enix is doing this, and I understand people will want something new but did they have to bring out a very different game. We got a PS3 in the house but I aint buying the new FF for it.
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Mastersaxon, if you own a PS3, why not buy the game for the new content and beautiful graphics? I just don't understand. Salute!

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I have a 360 myself but going to buy a ps3 for xiv cause i want to be sure i can play at launch.. im also gonna get it for pc so i can switch between console and computer.


Behold! There is the answer to this much talked about subject.

Square Enix does not spend millions upon millions of dollars producing a game because they want you to be super duper happy and really pleased with them.

They make games because they are a company and that is the product they sell. This entire thread reminds me of people in Arcades that forget they have to insert money in order to play. The cabinets are not there for your amusement, they are there so the arcade owner can make money.

Sony and Square are attempting to team up together and produce a product that not only reels in a previous audience for a well branded new title, but also encourages the purchase of their new console. There are plenty of people in Japan that are saying "[I am] going to buy a ps3 for xiv cause i want to be sure i can play at launch.." now too. Something that was said precisely during the awkward PS2 launch there, when you had to buy the HDD unit along side the game.

It would be nice to see XBox players jump right in along side me at launch. Even more so I am sure I will miss some LSmates that do not feel like purchasing or upgrading their PCs or saving up to buy a PS3 for the game too.

However, I think that FFXVI is a title mainly focused at the Japanese market as FFXI was initially as well and as XBox has done absolutely horribly over there, I would expect that an analyst has advised them to test the waters before pouring millions of additional dollars into an XBox version. This is not even mentioning how ******* greedy Microsoft is with Live! licensing fees. I can't even imagine what that conversation was like between the two.
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#42 Jun 17 2009 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not going to say that it isn't coming out for the 360 because I'm sure it's well within the scope for SE to make it so. Last Remnant which uses Crystal Tools from what I heard pushed the 360 hard and it lagged, but I'm sure SE has done some tweaking to make it so that it's able to handle it.

It all comes down to MONEY in my opinion. Like some of the previous posters, I heard a little rumor that SE is having issues with Microsoft on the issue of billing. Microsoft wants money for usage of their Xbox Live service, and since SE is charging for their service as well the customer would end up paying two bills instead of one.

If I recall correctly, when FFXI came out for the 360 there was an issue similar to this. People complained that they were getting charged for the Xbox Live and for the Playonline. Microsoft eventually just caved and made it so that you can access Playonline free of charge through Xbox Live. It might have been that FFXI was so old that they just caved or SE's system had been out for a long time and they didn't want to disrupt the flow of things, who knows but in the end they settled.

But with FFXIV just on the horizon and a new payment system, I'm sure Microsoft wants a piece of that recurring subscription pie, especially with an MMO. Think of it, from a FFXI standpoint 500,000+ people active, each with a minimum of $12.95 monthly payment.

$12.95 x 500,000 = $6,475,000

If my math logic is correct, you're looking at that much income for just one month. This is off of just the standard fee of 1 character, and lets face it NO ONE plays just one character anymore so the fee is going to jump.
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#43 Jun 17 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure that S-E wants to do it for the 360, and since the 360 is, at its core, just a PC, it wouldn't be that difficult to do. The reason it's still up in the air probably has a lot more to do with Microsoft and the way that Live is run than anything else.
#44 Jun 17 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Default
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But with FFXIV just on the horizon and a new payment system, I'm sure Microsoft wants a piece of that recurring subscription pie, especially with an MMO. Think of it, from a FFXI standpoint 500,000+ people active, each with a minimum of $12.95 monthly payment.

$12.95 x 500,000 = $6,475,000

If my math logic is correct, you're looking at that much income for just one month. This is off of just the standard fee of 1 character, and lets face it NO ONE plays just one character anymore so the fee is going to jump.


I'm pretty sure that FFXIV will costs more like $19.95+ a month, to start. With that said, it only strengthens your case.

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 5:47pm by TheJollyjokers
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#45 Jun 17 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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KayannaBigGrr wrote:
I'm not going to say that it isn't coming out for the 360 because I'm sure it's well within the scope for SE to make it so. Last Remnant which uses Crystal Tools from what I heard pushed the 360 hard and it lagged, but I'm sure SE has done some tweaking to make it so that it's able to handle it.


If I recall correctly, when FFXI came out for the 360 there was an issue similar to this. People complained that they were getting charged for the Xbox Live and for the Playonline. Microsoft eventually just caved and made it so that you can access Playonline free of charge through Xbox Live. It might have been that FFXI was so old that they just caved or SE's system had been out for a long time and they didn't want to disrupt the flow of things, who knows but in the end they settled.



Last Remnant uses the Unreal 3 engine. It was SE's first attempt at using it and they didn't do a great job. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, it stutters at the begining for a battle, loads some textures but after the first 3-5 seconds it's smooth. But honestly it's a bummer they didn't code it better.

FFXI on xbox only required silver membership, maybe some people didn't read their instructions (shocker!) and thought they had to pay for gold membership and the sub fee for FFXI and complained about it. You know how Internet drama gets started. It just takes a few people to spread around the word.

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#46 Jun 17 2009 at 3:30 PM Rating: Default
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Last Remnant uses the Unreal 3 engine. It was SE's first attempt at using it and they didn't do a great job. It's not as bad as people make it out to be, it stutters at the begining for a battle, loads some textures but after the first 3-5 seconds it's smooth. But honestly it's a bummer they didn't code it better.


I was curious about the game, wondering why the reviews were so bad on amazon.com. Guess I won't bother with The Last Remnant. Shame. I'm bored out of my mind and I have no game to play until June 23, when the new Fallout 3 DLC is launched. Even then, I'll probably have the DLC content beat within a matter of hours. Then it'll be back to being bored senseless again, until Dragonage Origins is released.
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#47 Jun 18 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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TheJollyjokers wrote:
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I'm pretty sure that FFXIV will costs more like $19.95+ a month, to start. With that said, it only strengthens your case.

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 5:47pm by TheJollyjokers



why would it be 19.95 a month? FFXI is 12.99 and the magic sub fee for all other mmos has been 14.99 (or under) for a while now. why do you think a five dollar jump will happen?
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#48 Jun 18 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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why would it be 19.95 a month? FFXI is 12.99 and the magic sub fee for all other mmos has been 14.99 (or under) for a while now. why do you think a five dollar jump will happen?

FFXI decreased the price from $19.95 to where it is today, at $12.95. I am only assuming they will charge more when they have a popularity complex. I seem to recall paying closer to $19.95 when I first started playing FFXI, back in 2002/2003. I'd love it if SE kept it cheap, though.

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 11:40am by TheJollyjokers
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#49 Jun 18 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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US release has always been 12.95, you probably got boned for changing currency.
#50 Jun 18 2009 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Nah lol. I forgot I had a bunch of mules running around. That's why I paid $19.95. Excuse my poor memory.
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#51 Jun 18 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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F it.. If they don't decide by Christmas.. I'm goin to get a ps3 lol and I want to play the game the day/week it comes out... I don't want to wait monthes or years for thde xbox version to come out ;/....
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