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#1 Jun 15 2009 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
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So, with FFXIV coming, we are hearing a lot from both burnt out FFXI and Wow players wanting to give it a go. As someone who has played both games quite a lot, I can safely say that the general attitude of players in each game is completely different to the other. How do you think these people will interact with each other when the time comes? I personally foresee a lot of drama and "prior-game" elitism.
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In the game it won't matter much. Forums are where you will see the worst of it, and we have already seen what will be the zenith of the conflict.
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Those who think WoW is better will just stay playing WoW.

It's supposed to be the perfect balance between the two, FFXI having its own problems, and WoW having its own. Clearly people in FFXIV would have left the game for one reason or another so I don't see why they'd defend games they quit.
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I don't see why they'd defend games they quit.


The biggest thing is mainly the different attitudes of the playerbases of each game. I think the fact that both communities behave differently and have different ways of doing things might cause some sparks. I am probably just wording what I want to say incorrectly.
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I don't think it will be as bad as you think...Sure right Now ffxi fanboys and WoW worshipers don't exactly like each other... But when we all start playing ffxiv its not gunna be about what MMO you came from. We are all gunna be so preoccupied running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out what to do we wont have time to hate each other =P. Of course FFXI still holds the candle over WoW any Day ;D. Im more curios to see if Blizzard is going to release something to offset FFXIV's release. I can't see them just watching a bunch of there subscribers leave and do nothing. WoW2?
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I don't think it will be as bad as you think...Sure right Now ffxi fanboys and WoW worshipers don't exactly like each other... But when we all start playing ffxiv its not gunna be about what MMO you came from. We are all gunna be so preoccupied running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out what to do we wont have time to hate each other =P. Of course FFXI still holds the candle over WoW any Day ;D. Im more curios to see if Blizzard is going to release something to offset FFXIV's release. I can't see them just watching a bunch of there subscribers leave and do nothing. WoW2?


They have Aoin to worry about as we speak, let’s see how WoW will hold up against Aion before jumping the gun on FF14 Vs. WoW ;D
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iMOB wrote:
Im more curios to see if Blizzard is going to release something to offset FFXIV's release. I can't see them just watching a bunch of there subscribers leave and do nothing.

That almost certainly will not happen.
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I don't see why they'd defend games they quit.

Because for some strange reason people tend to integrate themselves into a collective in such a way that the collective represents them. It's the same thing with sports fans. When you insult FFXI or the Red Wings the individual choose to take it as a personal insult.
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Meh. Any "lolz N00B! KEKEKEKEKEKEKE" people from WoW won't last long.

I know I for one won't put up with people talking like complete idiots. I like at least a little bit of intelligence in my FF MMOs.

I think most members will be from FFXI anyway.
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mortalabattoir wrote:
Meh. Any "lolz N00B! KEKEKEKEKEKEKE" people from WoW won't last long.

Unfortunately the flawed stereotypes will exist forever.
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Unfortunately the flawed stereotypes will exist forever.


Not saying everyone from WoW talks like that. But I tried WoW and saw so much of that I couldn't take it anymore. Is it so hard to learn to spell?
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Well I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Blizzards fan base come over to SE servers....so they can see what a real MMO's like. and If any of em give me lip....For there sake I hope theres no PvP.
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mortalabattoir wrote:
Not saying everyone from WoW talks like that.

I know you aren't, but you are asserting that a nontrivial number of people fit that stereotype, when they don't.

It's like saying "I don't want to live in a black neighborhood, I'd rather not get robbed." You can't defend that by saying "I'm not saying all blacks are thieves, but some are!" It's still racist.

People speak in WoW like they do in FFXI. There is no significant difference.
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So, with FFXIV coming, we are hearing a lot from both burnt out FFXI and Wow players wanting to give it a go. As someone who has played both games quite a lot, I can safely say that the general attitude of players in each game is completely different to the other. How do you think these people will interact with each other when the time comes? I personally foresee a lot of drama and "prior-game" elitism.


One thing that really interests me is to make a survey after 1 month of the release of FF14 so to see where people came from before playing FF14;

1. From FFXI
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mortalabattoir wrote:
Not saying everyone from WoW talks like that.

I know you aren't, but you are asserting that a nontrivial number of people fit that stereotype, when they don't.

It's like saying "I don't want to live in a black neighborhood, I'd rather not get robbed." You can't defend that by saying "I'm not saying all blacks are thieves, but some are!" It's still racist.

People speak in WoW like they do in FFXI. There is no significant difference.


Oh no.. there's a very definite difference. And WoW has it much worse.
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Oh no.. there's a very definite difference. And WoW has it much worse.

No, there's not. People spawm w in FFXI like they spam lol in WoW. Trade is spammed with WTB in both games. People make typos in both games. People mix up there and their in both games. People use potty humor in WoW and make mithra fun hole or galka sausage jokes in FFXI. It doesn't occur in significantly more quantities in FFXI or WoW.
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mortalabattoir wrote:
I know I for one won't put up with people talking like complete idiots. I like at least a little bit of intelligence in my FF MMOs.


Trust me here; I really, really feel you on this issue. If I had my way, more people would be typing correctly.

But typing poorly isn't the worst thing out there, really. I've still met people who can type but still call things ***, or are elitist asses, or drama kings/queens.

But then, that could just be me. As much as I like having a proper conversation, please and thank you come first.
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Trust me here; I really, really feel you on this issue. If I had my way, more people would be typing correctly.

But typing poorly isn't the worst thing out there, really. I've still met people who can type but still call things ***, or are elitist asses, or drama kings/queens.

But then, that could just be me. As much as I like having a proper conversation, please and thank you come first.


I like you! :D
I hope there are more of you in FFXIV.


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People spawm w in FFXI like they spam lol in WoW. Trade is spammed with WTB in both games. People make typos in both games. People mix up there and their in both games. People use potty humor in WoW and make mithra fun hole or galka sausage jokes in FFXI. It doesn't occur in significantly more quantities in FFXI or WoW.


"Lol" and "w" are not my issues. "Lolololol" and "lolz" are my issues. REAL abbreviations I don't mind, but incorrect variations of abbreviations are ridiculous, and the only time I've seen those in FFXI were followed a few days later with, "This game sucks. I'm going back to WoW." I played FFXI for 5 years and not once did I see "WTB," so I have no idea what you're talking about there. As for mithra fun hole and galka sausage, the FFXI community grew out of them and deemed them annoying, and I'm not saying people aren't allowed to make humorous sexual innuendo. Also, to be fair, I'd much rather have the innuendo than toilet humor. In my experience of playing WoW or watching others play WoW, I have seen a very significant amount of it.
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If I see a dead person, I'm going to raise him/her regardless of what game they chose to play. I never played WoW, because, personally, I thought the graphics sucked. However, I did play Warcrafts 1&2 during the 1990's. I loved designing my own levels and playing online against my RL friends. Sometimes I'd pawn. Sometimes I would get pawned. Everyone starts off as my friend, until they prove to me they are no friend of mine. You never know what you're going to get when online; that's both the bane and beauty of online play.
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#19 Jun 16 2009 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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mortalabattoir wrote:
and the only time I've seen those in FFXI were followed a few days later with, "This game sucks. I'm going back to WoW."

The problem here is that your anecdotal evidence is as good as mine. If yo want to believe that WoW players are on average so much worse than FFXI players, then that is your choice.
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Allegory, having played both games to a nauseating degree myself, you'd be fooling yourself if you honestly believe there are not significant differences between the community of WoW and the community of XI. (Not necessarily just language, aside from game-specific lingo)

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 1:17am by Kirbster
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Allegory, having played both games to a nauseating degree myself, you'd be fooling yourself if you honestly believe there are not significant differences between the community of WoW and the community of XI. (Not necessarily just language, aside from game-specific lingo)

There are. Attitude on pvp tends to be vastly different. Attitude on solo play tends to be very different. Prevalence of immature behavior isn't a category where they differ.
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Even then, I still think there is a somewhat significant difference.

However, this is probably due to the fact that WoW is more 'mainstream.'

In my experience, older players usually tend to flock towards XI, younger towards WoW. Not necessarily a set rule, but a good rule of thumb. Of course, you can have mature teenagers and immature adults, but generally, it tends to flow the opposite direction.

Again, there is the fact that WoW gives players so many more opportunities to be immature and general asshats. For instance, Alts.

In XI, often before a person acts, they have to think about their reputation. Your reputation sticks with you the entire game. It's one of the things I enjoy about it. If you've established yourself as a total *******, people will know it.

In WoW, you're given alts, tons of them. You can be a complete prick on one character, and even steal from your friends or guild, then restart anew on an alt, and nobody would know the difference. It's infuriatingly common.

And then, obviously, world PvP.

So it may not be the playerbase itself, (although I honestly believe it is, to a degree), but the style and structure of the games themselves. FFXI completely depends on teamwork and cooperation with others, so it makes logical sense that there would be a larger population of more socially-inclined people than WoW, which you can effectively solo to 80 without speaking to anyone.

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Allegory wrote:
The One and Only Deadgye wrote:
Oh no.. there's a very definite difference. And WoW has it much worse.

No, there's not. People spawm w in FFXI like they spam lol in WoW. Trade is spammed with WTB in both games. People make typos in both games. People mix up there and their in both games. People use potty humor in WoW and make mithra fun hole or galka sausage jokes in FFXI. It doesn't occur in significantly more quantities in FFXI or WoW.


I don't see your mom and ***** jokes in ffxi at least once a day. (Followed of course by, "Reported".) The worst ffxi gets is just spam. I don't mind stuff like shouts that have a purpose like trying to sell something, trying to buy something, or trying to get people together for something. It's all the ******** insults and other stupid things that annoy me. And ffxi has far less of those.
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I don't see your mom and ***** jokes in ffxi at least once a day. (Followed of course by, "Reported".) The worst ffxi gets is just spam. I don't mind stuff like shouts that have a purpose like trying to sell something, trying to buy something, or trying to get people together for something. It's all the bullsh*t insults and other stupid things that annoy me. And ffxi has far less of those.


I couldn't agree more with that. I played XI a long time ago now so I dunno if its worse now, but the worse you got on XI in terms of spam was people saying they wanted to sell something.
In WoW like everyday non stop you get people linking things (abilities and such) with the word **** next to it...its so childish and annoying.
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In WoW like everyday non stop you get people linking things (abilities and such) with the word **** next to it...its so childish and annoying.


Hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha ;D
Sorry I’m literally laughing my a*s of here, hehehe ^^

I have to agree, in Sweden where I’m from my brother works in an elementary school, and since he plays WoW himself he told him that he was surprised to find out that in his school almost 50% of the male students played WoW. That just shows what kind of player base WoW has / is targeting. In most of the Swedish television channels you have the constant bombardment of WoW adds every 60 minutes, as well as all the major newspaper, gaming site, community sites and so on. Blizzard seem to pump in billions of dollar just to keep WoW afloat ;D


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I have to agree, in Sweden where I’m from my brother works in an elementary school, and since he plays WoW himself he told him that he was surprised to find out that in his school almost 50% of the male students played WoW. That just shows what kind of player base WoW has / is targeting. In most of the Swedish television channels you have the constant bombardment of WoW adds every 60 minutes, as well as all the major newspaper, gaming site, community sites and so on. Blizzard seem to pump in billions of dollar just to keep WoW afloat ;D


Although I wouldn't want half of my school to play XIV, it'd be nice to see SE advertise like that outside Nippon! I don't think I ever saw an FFXI advert anywhere in my country when it came out in europe >_>;.
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Urgh. The last thing I want is SE to be catering to the below 18 target demographic, but I suppose money is money.

Am I a bad person for hoping that XIV is JUST non-casual and complex enough to scare away the younger crowd?

The little idiots spamming general and trade chat always irritated the **** out of me.

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Urgh. The last thing I want is SE to be catering to the below 18 target demographic, but I suppose money is money.

Am I a bad person for hoping that XIV is JUST non-casual and complex enough to scare away the younger crowd?


That's what I hope too. However, that's where the 'clash of communities' comes in I guess.
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and since he plays WoW himself he told him that he was surprised to find out that in his school almost 50% of the male students played WoW. That just shows what kind of player base WoW has / is targeting.

No it doesn't, you're a poor statistician. all that tells you is that WoW is a popular game, which we already know. What would tell you WoW was targeting a younger audience would be a comparison of the percetage of WoW's total base that demographic formed with a percentage of FFXI (and other MMOs) total base that demographic formed.

I don't actually doubt that WoW would have a slightly younger audience, but I'm just tired people drawing false conclusions or making information up about WoW. Libel enough and you're bound to be accidentally right at least once, that's the problem I'm having here.
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Am I a bad person for hoping that XIV is JUST non-casual and complex enough to scare away the younger crowd?

You're not a bad person, but you either have very strange tastes or are very confused about what you want. "non-casual" means "time-consuming, and "complex" means "time-wasting" here.
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Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

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Am I a bad person for hoping that XIV is JUST non-casual and complex enough to scare away the younger crowd?


No you're not, I think this is what a lot of ex FFXI players are hoping for, a game with the same level of difficulty, minus some of the time sinks and annoyances. I'm not looking for FFXIV to be the same as FFXI, that would be a waste of time, but I do want it to have the same feel attached to the game.
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Im almost positive XIV will draw the young-uns since SE mentioned the casual gamer thing. Just gota hope they make ignore lists big enough to handle the influx of children and child like adults.

BTW, played XI for 3yrs and have now been in WoW for 1 year. With an increase in hours at work WoW is a much more accessible game to those limited on time but I still miss XI everytime I log into WoW.
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You're not a bad person, but you either have very strange tastes or are very confused about what you want. "non-casual" means "time-consuming, and "complex" means "time-wasting" here.


No, I actually meant challenge and depth. Most people I know who tried XI briefly before going to WoW had no appreciation of an elemental calendar, in-depth crafting system and fairly complex economy, different ways of aggroing mobs, mobs that you actually have to be careful around because you can't solo everything. Etc, etc. The list goes on.

I'll be blunt here, WoW is a casual's MMO. There's nothing wrong with that, but let's face it, XI has a lot more depth in all of its elements than WoW does, BECAUSE if WoW was not as simple as it is, it would not appeal as much to casual gamers. (With a few exceptions)

And frankly, I, and people like me need that sort of depth and challenge to keep us interested. We're the kind of geeks that played Metroid for the NES and drew elaborate maps on graph paper. We play and genuinely enjoy games like Etrian Odyssey. We're masochistic, in a way.

The way I see it, XI players are often of the map-making geek ilk. And WoW players are often the casual player who inputs cheats in a single player game so he can have a blast blowing everything up.

You can complain about libel and defamation all you want, but I've played both games to endgame and beyond, I know the playerbases pretty well, them's the facts. There will always be exceptions to the rule, but if I'm trying to explain the general playerbases, that's how it is.

So let's get off our high horse here, mate. All MMOs are time-consuming and time-wasting. The point is that you have fun and are engaged while playing it. And they both provide a different type of fun.

Also, I hate kids.

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Word up Kirbster. Word up.
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I don't think there'll be a huge clash. The people from other MMOs that choose this over Star Wars: The Old Republic are doing so because they're FF fans. The immature ones will either learn their ways or be ignored by a large portion of the [more mature] player base that lends itself to any FF title.
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From my experience WoW has a bit more immature players while FFXI has a bit more arrogant players. The only difference is since a larger number of WoW players compared to FFXI are still teens they actually have an excuse to be immature while a number of FFXI players only think they are better than everyone else.
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while a number of FFXI players only think they are better than everyone else.


In what way better ?
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The biggest thing is mainly the different attitudes of the playerbases of each game. I think the fact that both communities behave differently and have different ways of doing things might cause some sparks.

I definitely think this is an overgeneralization that occurs way too often.

Is there a tendency in WoW to attract more immature players? Definitely. But having played both games, I can point to innumerable individuals that I met in FFXI who were highly childish, and I can point to innumerable individuals in WoW who were very mature working adults.

Steriotypes are ultimately nothing more than steriotypes.

Every type of attitude and player mentality and maturity level exists in both gamse. Some may be more common in one game than the other, but they still exist in significant quantites in both...

Sad as that may be... I wish there was a MMO out there without immature children. Best thing to do is ignore them, and move along.
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Maldavian wrote:
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while a number of FFXI players only think they are better than everyone else.


In what way better ?


From what I've seen, every way. More mature, more skilled, more devoted to their game, the fact that they play FFXI makes them think they better. The ones who have never played WoW consider that a true mark of excellence, believing those who have only played it for a week that it's a horrible game.
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I never played WoW, because, personally, I thought the graphics sucked.

I still think the graphics in WoW are better than FFXI. Yes they are cartoony and not realistic. However, I feel that the textures, models, and animations, of both characters and enviroments, tended towards having higher artistic integrity and detail. Some of the things that Blizzard managed to do with extremely low-poly models is simply mind blowing.

That artistic design just happens to fall closer in line with American comics than it did with Japanese Anime. I may not like every style of art, music, or writing, but I can still appreciate what is skillfully done.

Having a minor background in game art, I've personally developed a greater appreciation for detailed sprite-work and low-poly models that are still expressive, as opposed to highly realistic high poly model. Too many game artists feel that they can simply throw more polys into a model, and that it will help overcome the lack of expressiveness in their model... Unfortunately from an artistic standpoint, too many gamers do ignore flatter characters if they have a higher poly count.

As far as I'm concerned, if a graphics artist manages to produce a similar model, but with significantly less polys of another artist's model, while still upholding the integrity of the model, I feel that the artist who made the lower poly model has more skill.

This is all purely my opinion of course.
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I still think the graphics in WoW are better than FFXI. Yes they are cartoony and not realistic. However, I feel that the textures, models, and animations, of both characters and enviroments, tended towards having higher artistic integrity and detail. Some of the things that Blizzard managed to do with extremely low-poly models is simply mind blowing.


That's a reaaally tough one to pass! Simply because I think the complete opposite, haha. But no way to prove anything, however I think it's because of WoW having so many more abilities and animations that the animation team doesn't have too much time to focus on little things, or the combat is so fast that it doesn't matter. It did matter to me though.

And one has to remember what system the game was made for- PS2. I think WoW couldn't run on PS2, so we have to remember that when comparing the 2 as well. I think XI gets pretty **** close even if it may not beat it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOFk4WIiTKU

Cutscene wise at least. It's not the best they've done, but pretty cool otherwise.

EDIT: Imagine that with XIV graphics!

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 6:12pm by Hyanmen
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In my experience, older players usually tend to flock towards XI, younger towards WoW. Not necessarily a set rule, but a good rule of thumb. Of course, you can have mature teenagers and immature adults, but generally, it tends to flow the opposite direction.

It is worthy to note that WoW tends to have almost an equal quantity of adult and teenage players. The adult players tend to only socialize between themselves, and not in public channels.

This creates the illusion that only immature teenages play WoW. Most adults have turned off the public channels, like trade, and general, and allow the teenagers to have fun with them.

Part of being a mature adult, is having the ability to ignore and not associate with childish behavior, and still have fun with the game. I have not socialized with children for over a year in WoW, nor have I had to deal with, nor witness, nor play with these kinds of immature jerks that are described as incorrectly described as the average playerbase in WOW. And in no way do I ever feel like I am restricted to only a small part of the player population. It typically feels that we outnumber the immature teenagers ten to one.
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I never played WoW, because, personally, I thought the graphics sucked.

I still think the graphics in WoW are better than FFXI. Yes they are cartoony and not realistic. However, I feel that the textures, models, and animations, of both characters and enviroments, tended towards having higher artistic integrity and detail. Some of the things that Blizzard managed to do with extremely low-poly models is simply mind blowing.

That artistic design just happens to fall closer in line with American comics than it did with Japanese Anime. I may not like every style of art, music, or writing, but I can still appreciate what is skillfully done.

Having a minor background in game art, I've personally developed a greater appreciation for detailed sprite-work and low-poly models that are still expressive, as opposed to highly realistic high poly model. Too many game artists feel that they can simply throw more polys into a model, and that it will help overcome the lack of expressiveness in their model... Unfortunately from an artistic standpoint, too many gamers do ignore flatter characters if they have a higher poly count.

As far as I'm concerned, if a graphics artist manages to produce a similar model, but with significantly less polys of another artist's model, while still upholding the integrity of the model, I feel that the artist who made the lower poly model has more skill.

This is all purely my opinion of course.
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It wasn't my intention to offend. I was only merely pointing out that the graphics didn't appeal to me. The graphics could've been better for FFXI, but I played anyways because I am a diehard FF fan. I thoroughly enjoyed playing Warcrafts 1 & 2. They were both revolutionary, in their own right. The actual reason why I didn't bother with WoW was two reasons...
1) I was already hooked on FFXI
2) Reports on CNN about Chinese kids dying in their seats, playing WoW. The news sure knows how to scare the crap out of people. I have no personal gripe about WoW, though. I'm sure it's a great game. If it weren't, it wouldn't have over 1,000,000 subscribers.
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That's a reaaally tough one to pass! Simply because I think the complete opposite, haha. But no way to prove anything, however I think it's because of WoW having so many more abilities and animations that the animation team doesn't have too much time to focus on little things, or the combat is so fast that it doesn't matter. It did matter to me though.

And one has to remember what system the game was made for- PS2. I think WoW couldn't run on PS2, so we have to remember that when comparing the 2 as well. I think XI gets pretty **** close even if it may not beat it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOFk4WIiTKU

Cutscene wise at least. It's not the best they've done, but pretty cool otherwise.

It is an opinion thing. So it's fine to disagree.

In WoW, I believe every race/gender has the following different player combat animations...
Casting (three animations used for different spells)
Two-handed Weapon (two animations each for 5 different weapons, ten total)
One-handed Weapon (two animations each for 5 different weapons, ten total)
Ranged Weapon (one animations for each of 3 different weapons, three total)
Special Attack animations (I think around 7 different ones per race)
Block
Parry
Dodge
Being hit (two animations)

That's over 300 different player combat animations between the races and genders, not even including noncombat animations. I think a few may be readjusted and reused for different races, but it is still a LOT of different animations. You have not lived until you have seen the amazing feral agression that is a Undead Female's Unarmed animation and special attacks.

One of my few complaints about FFXI, was I felt there were too few different animations, which lead characters to look very rigid in their movement, almost like marionettes.

As for cutscenes, WoW definitely has too few of those. But for a good example of some official WoW Machima, you could look at the Ulduar Trailor, or the Wraithgate Cutscene... You probably won't understand the plot of what is going on in them... both are dealing with several complex subplots coming together very rapidly in a short videoclip, but they are still well done. (I would link them myself for you off of Youtube, but I am currently on a public computer that blocks Youtube.)

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I have high hopes for FFXIV graphics :D

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It wasn't my intention to offend.

I wasn't offended. Just pointing out my differing opinion.

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We're in %100 agreement on the animations. I thought FFXI look too rigid, as well. Check out my post in the "Elements from older Final Fantasy's u wanna see" thread. I have no doubt there will be more in FFXIV...at least, there had better be <_<
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We're in %100 agreement on the animations. I thought FFXI look too rigid, as well. Check out my post in the "Elements from older Final Fantasy's u wanna see" thread. I have no doubt there will be more in FFXIV...at least, there had better be <_<

It's been a long time since I played FFXI, did characters have idle animations? I seem to recall that they did not. That when you stood almost perfectly still, the character stood perfectly rock solid still for hours at a time unmoving and unbreathing.

That was creepy.

Now I think WoW idle animations probably occur too often, but I think every WoW race had like three different ones they would use at random every 15 seconds or so of standing still (probably shouldn't have occured that often). But they are still a nice addition to making the characters feel more alive. Doesn't have to be much, just like stretching, or shifting from one foot to the other, or sighing, or other things that normal real life people do when they are standing still.
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It is worthy to note that WoW tends to have almost an equal quantity of adult and teenage players. The adult players tend to only socialize between themselves, and not in public channels.

This creates the illusion that only immature teenages play WoW. Most adults have turned off the public channels, like trade, and general, and allow the teenagers to have fun with them.

Part of being a mature adult, is having the ability to ignore and not associate with childish behavior, and still have fun with the game. I have not socialized with children for over a year in WoW, nor have I had to deal with, nor witness, nor play with these kinds of immature jerks that are described as incorrectly described as the average playerbase in WOW. And in no way do I ever feel like I am restricted to only a small part of the player population. It typically feels that we outnumber the immature teenagers ten to one.


This is actually true, and it baffles me how some people associate a mostly adult community with FFXI and a mostly adolescent community with WoW. There are at least four people that I could name from the top of my head on this very forum, who are obviously well-spoken and educated adults, who happened to play WoW and yet all of you still insist that the game has nothing but children. It's a little insulting, and I'd really appreciate it if that kind of bigotry ended. My guild is an adult-only guild, to the point where you cannot get in unless you have had a voice interview with the leadership. Don't look at the trade channel and act like that is representative of the entire population, because that's just silly and make it seem like you are only seeing what you want to see.

I'd also like to point out that we aren't even talking about two games that are close to the same class. I don't know why WoW is such a sore spot for XI players, I guess because it's so popular, but it is what it is, and I that's a cross that I and the others will just have to bear.

FFXI does have far fewer players than WoW, and something that people conveniently forget is that a significant portion of that fan base doesn't even speak english. WoW is a heck of a lot different in those two regards. When you have the vast playerbase that WoW has, you will see "more" asshatish behavior, but proportionally, it's not any different than XI.


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Nope. No idle animations. All you do is stand still, or /sit your character down. Tarutarus head bobbles from side to side. I don't recall blinking. There does need to be the stretching, yawning, and blinking. Hopefully, SE will have an eye for the small details for this generation of gaming. We'll see;)
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I don't know why WoW is such a sore spot for XI players, I guess because it's so popular, but it is what it is, and I that's a cross that I and the others will just have to bear.


I have no sore spot for WoW gamers. It's all a matter of choice. Many WoW gamers came from FFXI. I come from Hippie-land, Oregon, so maybe I was just raised to love everyone. I welcome gamers from all MMO's/backgrounds into FFXIV. The elitism/bigotry does need to stop, though. Salute!

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