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#1 Jun 17 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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For those who don't know, Lehko Habhoka was a Male Mithra NPC added in the Wings of the Goddess expansion and plays a significant role in the Windurst story. He's a pale skinned pretty kitty boi who admitted himself that he was weak and fragile but has a great mind and a sassy tongue.


What would you guys prefer Male Mithras(Or whatever they're called in FFXIV) to be like? Should they be the stereotypical Square androgynous characters and leave the badasses to humes, galkas, and elvaans. Would you want Manthras to be king of the jungle steroid freaks like the FFX Ronso? This is under the assumption that Male Mithras are playable in FFXI and the character generator doesn't give enough leeway for both.

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Edited, Jun 25th 2009 12:53am by Tenison
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#2 Jun 17 2009 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't mind either way - it would be neat to see a different take on them.

Edited, Jun 28th 2009 4:07am by Kotisu
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Seems like the humes got a big -1 to badassery with XII...
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If I had to choose, I'd honestly want them to be about neutral on the pretty-boy/steroid-junkie meter.

But still, more than that I'd demand the options for both. Well, maybe not as big and muscley as Ronso's, though. But yeah, sometimes frail, pretty-boys are cool. Sometimes scarred, lean-muscled warriors are cool. No reason not to let people do both.
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I'd probably have go with them like Lehko Habhoka.

I spose it just matches the race more than having one that doesn't appear quite as "agile". No real stresses over if it is or not. New races might make it less appealing to play anyway.
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Mithras will be all female like in FFXI, just watch.

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 8:00am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#7 Jun 18 2009 at 5:02 AM Rating: Default
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Mithras will be all female like in FFXI, just watch.


That would 100% suck.
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That guy is hot.

So I vote yes.
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Although I like female Mithras *cough* (who doesn't?) I'd like to see males too.
But Lehko is too feminine for my taste.
I'd be for something athletic and somewhat muscular.
Something like this maybe:
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#10 Jun 18 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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i agree with above

making them pumped up would mess them up
mithra's are the hot race of ff11

Lehko doesn't scream pretty boy mithra to me. his hair is so messed lol

picture brown cat and add pretty boy features along with scars and/or face paint



Edited, Jun 18th 2009 10:56am by Leyego
#11 Jun 18 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Default
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I think Lehko Habhoka looks more like a hippy to me. I live near a huge concentration of hippies and he would blend right in with them. I am sure some of them look like him too. XD

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt197/shanttoto/60HIPPYGUY.jpg

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 11:11am by DrWhowhatwhenwhereandhow
#12Kajidoh, Posted: Jun 18 2009 at 8:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Not all cats are sleek and agile. Maybe SE will add more customization for a more lion-like male mithra. I think the main reason for that guy's feminine looks is PS2 limitations.
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I'd be more than fine with it.
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Pretty kitty boys?

I love that! <3

But what if there are female Galkas? Should they be large muscular amazon women?
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Finaa wrote:
But what if there are female Galkas? Should they be large muscular amazon women?

I should hope so. Take an example from the a few of the established large strong women in fantasy.

Dwarves
Half Orcs

Like male Galkas, they should be stocky but not fat.
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Seems like the humes got a big -1 to badassery with XII...



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it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't so **** pasty looking ._.
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#18 Jun 18 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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keep them lean thats the mithra way. in general lehko was very close to the male mithra i prefer to play. sure he was a bit pale and fragile looking but that also was part of the story line. not to mention his choice in garbs, not sure what was going on there. so with a fair bit of customization i think that SE can satify everyone, Hopefully. ill post a character later for example.
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Karelyn wrote:
Finaa wrote:
But what if there are female Galkas? Should they be large muscular amazon women?

I should hope so. Take an example from the a few of the established large strong women in fantasy.

Dwarves
Half Orcs

Like male Galkas, they should be stocky but not fat.
I'll agree with this. Female Galka should be the muscular amazon counterpart to the males

On the topic of mithra, huge muscles shouldn't be part of their design (unless you want to follow traditional "males focus on strength, females focus on speed" conventions). The males could be maybe a little more toned, with obvious features like broader shoulders and such, but not that much bigger from the females in relative size, IMO. I'd personally like to see them as the agile warrior race, allowing galka or elvaan to take center stage when it comes to strength.
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One of the main reasons people have wanted Male Mithra, is because in FFXI there was really no "Bishi" style or race for men. It's a very popular stereo type that is in high demand in this day and time. If you look at all the Male Characters in FFXI, they are all stocky, and muscular. There are really no "Feminine" male characters to choose from in FFXI. Tarutaru are little dwarf people, so they don't really play into that equation as they go off the complete little tiny cute thing.

I think they should be feminine, but maybe not to a sickeningly feminine point. But maybe we could choose from a few body styles? I don't think any of them should be very bulky, but being kind of fit and "in shape" is gladly welcomed. I would just guess they won't be "Bulky" and "Thunder Cats" style, because men already have many masculine races to choose from (from our knowledge) and there has always been a lack of more Feminine Avatars, in FFXI. So hopefully they add some balance to that in FFXIV, which I think they will.
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About male mithra-ish character models, all I'm going to say is:

Lion-O (or any male Thundercat) or bust!
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I want male Mithras to look like cute *** guys that are actually straight so I can *cough**cough*

YAY <3
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I want male Mithras to look like cute *** guys that are actually straight so I can *cough**cough*


I want them to look like cute straight guys that are actually *** so that I can *cough cough*

actually, either one.

In any case, if the hume in the teaser trailer is any indication, there's gonna be eye candy galore.
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Finaa wrote:
But what if there are female Galkas? Should they be large muscular amazon women?


Galka are neither male nor female. The reproduce asexually like amoeba, but somehow different. They are basically Ken dolls underneath their subligar... just a nub.

Now to put this post back on topic...

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 12:53am by EbenezerSpooge
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Remember that Galkas in this universe are already lacking a tale and are more human like. So there may be a female counterpart to them, as there may be more male Mithras in this universe as well.
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Bishy Mithra please =P

But yea, I personally think the male Mithra in WotG looks great, and it definitely fits the artistic direction of Mithra.

It also fits in story wise, as if I remember right, male Mithra stay at home, and the female Mithra are the hard working adventurers.

Simply put, pretty boy Mithra >>> Thundercats Mithra, for me.

[Suppose they could add both extremities, to appease both crowds]
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Bishy Mithra please =P

But yea, I personally think the male Mithra in WotG looks great, and it definitely fits the artistic direction of Mithra.

It also fits in story wise, as if I remember right, male Mithra stay at home, and the female Mithra are the hard working adventurers.

Simply put, pretty boy Mithra >>> Thundercats Mithra, for me.

[Suppose they could add both extremities, to appease both crowds]


Actually, from what different missions and stories, and what Lehko hints at and says, Male Mithra aren't the stay at home mom type. They just don't come to the middle lands of Vana Diel, and the only ones who have were renegade tribes of Female Mithra. On their home island, and in other regions supposedly, Mithra boys are common and do just as much adventuring as the females.

You have to remember, the Vana Diel we know is only a small portion of the entire world of Vana Diel, which is much larger and has many more continents. But this is all going off FFXI standards and lore. Things will be different in FFXIV I'm sure, although they will probably keep some stereo types similar, or at least they have said that in the interviews.
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Although I like female Mithras *cough* (who doesn't?) I'd like to see males too.
But Lehko is too feminine for my taste.
I'd be for something athletic and somewhat muscular.
Something like this maybe:
Male Mithra

I'm hoping it's something similar to that, with the ability to tweak and adjust a bit.
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ScorpionEx wrote:
Bishy Mithra please =P

But yea, I personally think the male Mithra in WotG looks great, and it definitely fits the artistic direction of Mithra.

It also fits in story wise, as if I remember right, male Mithra stay at home, and the female Mithra are the hard working adventurers.

Simply put, pretty boy Mithra >>> Thundercats Mithra, for me.

[Suppose they could add both extremities, to appease both crowds]


Actually, from what different missions and stories, and what Lehko hints at and says, Male Mithra aren't the stay at home mom type. They just don't come to the middle lands of Vana Diel, and the only ones who have were renegade tribes of Female Mithra. On their home island, and in other regions supposedly, Mithra boys are common and do just as much adventuring as the females.

You have to remember, the Vana Diel we know is only a small portion of the entire world of Vana Diel, which is much larger and has many more continents. But this is all going off FFXI standards and lore. Things will be different in FFXIV I'm sure, although they will probably keep some stereo types similar, or at least they have said that in the interviews.


Ah, sorry, I haven't played much of WotG story, so didn't know that heh.

Well, either way, if they're planning to keep some resemblance to FFXI, in terms of races and the like, there can't really be that drastic of a difference.

Hopefully they do actually give the option of Male Mithras, at least.
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ScorpionEx wrote:
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Bishy Mithra please =P

But yea, I personally think the male Mithra in WotG looks great, and it definitely fits the artistic direction of Mithra.

It also fits in story wise, as if I remember right, male Mithra stay at home, and the female Mithra are the hard working adventurers.

Simply put, pretty boy Mithra >>> Thundercats Mithra, for me.

[Suppose they could add both extremities, to appease both crowds]


Actually, from what different missions and stories, and what Lehko hints at and says, Male Mithra aren't the stay at home mom type. They just don't come to the middle lands of Vana Diel, and the only ones who have were renegade tribes of Female Mithra. On their home island, and in other regions supposedly, Mithra boys are common and do just as much adventuring as the females.

You have to remember, the Vana Diel we know is only a small portion of the entire world of Vana Diel, which is much larger and has many more continents. But this is all going off FFXI standards and lore. Things will be different in FFXIV I'm sure, although they will probably keep some stereo types similar, or at least they have said that in the interviews.


Ah, sorry, I haven't played much of WotG story, so didn't know that heh.

Well, either way, if they're planning to keep some resemblance to FFXI, in terms of races and the like, there can't really be that drastic of a difference.

Hopefully they do actually give the option of Male Mithras, at least.


No no, I agree, they do and should be a bit feminine, that's what I'm hoping for. I'm just saying they aren't stay at home *** slaves lol. But yeah, they should indeed be feminine.

As far as if they will be a playable race, I any many others have discussed that till we're blue in the face, so check out my blog and you can read all the reasons I and many others pretty much know they will be playable.
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I'm partial towards an effet character design myself.
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I don't see why in this day and age we can't have both. Surely to god there will be different body types to choose from.
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*insert **** mithra music here*

I would like to see a pleasant mix between lion and bishi. Maybe like a leopard. Sleek and strong.
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About male mithra-ish character models, all I'm going to say is:

Lion-O (or any male Thundercat) or bust!
Leather underwear and tank tops? Yeah, the Hard *** look is so much better than effeminate.
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Oh God. Videos in this thread made me laugh. Thank you.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with Lehko. Either way, if they keep it a cat/fox race, the male race will need to be agile, slender, and probably somewhat feminine to pull it off.

Not "girly", just not totally masculine or we'll have some Thundercats abominations running around.
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I'd like them to be kind of skinny and lanky. I don't really find the Thundercats designs that appealing. I've never been much of a fan of the buff look. I just hope they will have the option to be noticeably tall.
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I'm going to get flamed for this but... Even though FFXIV will be different and all from FFXI, if you want to be tall and lanky, play elvaan, if you want to be big and bulky, be a Galka, if you want to be built up and stocky, play a hume. However, as of FFXI, if anyone wants to be more small and feminine, they have no options. That's one of the biggest demands as to why people have wanted male mithra to be introduced. It fits in with the entire cat-like theme as well, agile, cunning, smaller, etc.

I think their body styles should be between about what Lehko is, and a little more "built" up but still small, thin, and agile looking.
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I'd have no problem playing one like this. Probably wouldn't have the hair like that, but otherwise, it's not too terribly feminine or masculine. Fairly androgynous if you ask me.

Plus, if you look at him in the model viewer, he has a swagger to him that's distinctly masculine when he walks.
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The above Manthra is awesome! I would choose one for my character if they are included in FFXIV.
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I expect manthras to be bishy. SE knows how to cater to their target audience.

Won't stop me from making fun of them, though.
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God sakes... Manthras are going to be swarmed with Emo cutters.

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I'd have no problem playing one like this. Probably wouldn't have the hair like that, but otherwise, it's not too terribly feminine or masculine. Fairly androgynous if you ask me.

Plus, if you look at him in the model viewer, he has a swagger to him that's distinctly masculine when he walks.


Holy... If you stare at that image for awhile on that background, it turns 3d!

But yeah, when people say they want a more "Feminine Male Character" to play as, they don't mean cross dressing. They just mean something less bulky and more agile like Lehko there.
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I'd love to see the male mithras have very punk-ish appeal to them. Mohawks, spiked hair, slicked back, etc. I think it'd be awesome if they were very wirey and catlike, almost like brad pitt in fight club.
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My 2 cents:

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However, as of FFXI, if anyone wants to be more small and feminine, they have no options.

Correction. If you wanted to be more small and feminine MALE you had no options.

Same as you had no options if you wanted to play a big and strong female.

Sexual stereotyping for the lose. Let's get a feminine male in the game, as well as a masculine female, and then everyone is happy.

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Sexual stereotyping for the lose. Let's get a feminine male in the game, as well as a masculine female, and then everyone is happy.


agreed. there needs to be a skinny guy (but still defined) in FFXIV and a beefed up girl (which can still be done attractively)
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#48 Jun 22 2009 at 4:23 PM Rating: Default
Cats with the obvious exception of the African lion (Panthera leo) are fairly similar looking between the sexes, with the exception that most males are slightly bigger. Cat people on the other hand are essentially half human so the differences between the sexes should fall somewhere between the two species.
So no the male mithra of FFXI is a little too femme looking, unless he is an immature male (basically a teen).
I think Thundercats got the look pretty spot on.
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...unless he is an immature male (basically a teen).


I'm pretty sure this is the case.

Nevertheless, I'm not emo/***/bi/whatever, but I'm skinny... and playing a character that relates to my actual physique would create a better connection. I'm all about player-character connections.
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Slightly bigger? I don't mean to get all stupidly comparative but:

Lion:

Male: 416 pounds.
Female: 277

Tiger:

Male: 330-700+ (depending on species, on average 500+) pounds.
Female: 250+ (again varying on species)

Jaguar:

Male: 350 pounds
Female: 270 pounds

The list goes on. Even house cats the females are typically much smaller than males averaging a 20% difference in muscle and bone weight. That is an enormous difference.

Lehko looks like he should be at the local *** bar, dressed in a leather thong and bowtie doing Metallica cover songs.

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Vackashken wrote:
Slightly bigger? I don't mean to get all stupidly comparative but:

Lion:

Male: 416 pounds.
Female: 277

Tiger:

Male: 330-700+ (depending on species, on average 500+) pounds.
Female: 250+ (again varying on species)

Jaguar:

Male: 350 pounds
Female: 270 pounds

The list goes on. Even house cats the females are typically much smaller than males averaging a 20% difference in muscle and bone weight. That is an enormous difference.

Lehko looks like he should be at the local *** bar, dressed in a leather thong and bowtie doing Metallica cover songs.



Yeah dude, you're forgetting... 1) This is a fantasy game. 2) They are half-human, so I wouldn't be expecting no 150+lb. differences here. 3) Don't make fun of gays, karma's a *****.

Pretty sure that Lehko is a pubescent male, meaning he retains much of his boyish qualities yet from not being fully grown. And besides, he's just one manthra out of several. The face doesn't necessarily have to be that way, but I like the idea of a slender race.
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