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#52 Jun 23 2009 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Karelyn wrote:
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However, as of FFXI, if anyone wants to be more small and feminine, they have no options.

Correction. If you wanted to be more small and feminine MALE you had no options.

Same as you had no options if you wanted to play a big and strong female.

Sexual stereotyping for the lose. Let's get a feminine male in the game, as well as a masculine female, and then everyone is happy.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2009 2:09pm by Karelyn


Yes, I fully agree. And yeah, I think you know that's what I meant :P And yes, if some one wants more options they should have them, as others are saying, to better connect with their character. I don't feel... Myself, as the bulky guy I play on FFXI... Some times, I wish I'd have been Galka, just because they seem to always have a soft and sensitive side, that gives them a lot of depth.

But yeah, within limitations and without making people look too out of whack or completely blown out of proportions in either direction, more options are most definitely needed.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2009 1:38am by EndlessJourney
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1) This is a fantasy game.

Oh, its a fantasy game? I had no idea - the title threw me off.

2) They are half-human, so I wouldn't be expecting no 150+lb. differences here.

They're half human? So does that make Tarus half human and Galka because they're bipedal too? Because the fact it IS a fantasy game makes everything in that vein nebulous at best. It makes more sense for the males to much larger and stronger than the females - just like in our every own species.

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I'll make what ever facetious slights I choose to make.

Pretty sure that Lehko is a pubescent male, meaning he retains much of his boyish qualities yet from not being fully grown. And besides, he's just one manthra out of several. The face doesn't necessarily have to be that way, but I like the idea of a slender race.


Again, I can't really argue with that and nothing in REAL truth was meant to start one as such. My opinion happens to be the polar opposite, and to me, from a realistic stand point, males should be much larger than females as they are in 90% fauna in this world and most fantasies/games/etc.

But like I said, thats my personal opinion. I'd much rather play a Ronso like race than a anorexic cat race.
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#54 Jun 23 2009 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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from a realistic stand point, males should be much larger than females as they are in 90% fauna in this world and most fantasies/games/etc.

But like I said, thats my personal opinion. I'd much rather play a Ronso like race than a anorexic cat race.


Have you ever heard of diversity? Just wondering.

If you want to be the typical male stereo type of masculinity and manliness, that's absolutely fine, to each his own! But many of us want to be a bit different, and would like more options.
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Have you ever heard of diversity? Just wondering.


So, is it equally as "diverse" to have a bunch of razor-thin characters? Stop straw-manning with nonsense.

If you want to be the typical male stereo type of masculinity and manliness, that's absolutely fine, to each his own! But many of us want to be a bit different, and would like more options.


Fair enough. But, seeing as its almost guaranteed it will be one way or the other (which is a shame), I am going to voice my opinion as such. However, there is nothing stereo typical about being larger than females. Even if you're a thin kid, you're still going to be stronger than a girl of equal and even larger size than you because you inherently have more muscle mass and denser muscle tissue than she.

Ultimately, if I had absolute choice (as in I was running it), I would have them do it like CoH. Complete choice of how to shape the character.
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#56 Jun 23 2009 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Vackashken wrote:

Have you ever heard of diversity? Just wondering.


So, is it equally as "diverse" to have a bunch of razor-thin characters? Stop straw-manning with nonsense.


How is it nonsense? There are already male characters who are the typical strong archetype. There are however, no options for the smaller more feminine or thinner type, at least in FFXI, which is what people are wanting not to be the case in FFXIV. I never said everyone should be razor thin, I said they should give some folks the option if that is what they want.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2009 4:27am by EndlessJourney
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Even if you're a thin kid, you're still going to be stronger than a girl of equal and even larger size than you because you inherently have more muscle mass and denser muscle tissue than she.

Oh, that was so funny, that I forgot to laugh.

Wait. Sexism isn't funny!

Let's face it, going by the context of your posts, I'm going to guess that you are a fairly small and twirpy young boy who gets bullied by girls in school, and is attempting to compensate by making yourself sound macho online. I'd feel sorry for you if you were not a sexist and homophobic pig.

Since you like quoting biology so much, you might wanna address the bell curve. Yes, on AVERAGE men are stronger than women. But somewhere around 45% of women are stronger than 50% of men.

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Oh, that was so funny, that I forgot to laugh.

Are you two?

Wait. Sexism isn't funny!

Saying men are physically stronger than woman is sexist? Thats interesting...

Let's face it, going by the context of your posts, I'm going to guess that you are a fairly small and twirpy young boy who gets bullied by girls in school, and is attempting to compensate by making yourself sound macho online. I'd feel sorry for you if you were not a sexist and homophobic pig.

I um... like your sense of presumption, however it's completely off in everything you said here. You guessed all that from me saying that men are, indisputably physically stronger than women, on the average. Swing and a miss!

Since you like quoting biology so much, you might wanna address the bell curve. Yes, on AVERAGE men are stronger than women. But somewhere around 45% of women are stronger than 50% of men.


Lol, what? 45% of woman are stronger than 50% of men? Wanna justify that statement please?

However, if you want to be stupidly self righteous enough to get all bent out of shape for my justification on why Male Mithra SHOULD be larger than their female counterparts, go right ahead. I enjoy a good meltdown just as much as anyone else.
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#59 Jun 23 2009 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Durrr I'm stupid and sexist, who knew?

You might wanna stop talking, you are only making yourself look worse.
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Looks like I was right, you are two.

Thanks for the confirmation.
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#61 Jun 23 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Lehko looks like he should be at the local *** bar, dressed in a leather thong and bowtie doing Metallica cover songs.


lol wut? Must not really know that much about Metallica.

Back to the main topic;

I just posted this in another topic, so ill just copy and paste it to this,

"I personally can definitely see Male mithra in FFXIV, and I would most certainly be one.

I always imagined a Manthra's NPC personality to be very adventurous and flirtatious; very Zidane-esque(he even has a tail!), I think that would be a great fit.

Though, I may have just been playing FFIX too much lately"
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lol wut? Must not really know that much about Metallica.


That was part of the facetious aspect to what I said. Absurdity = humor.

But yeah, I hope they're in it too... but you can make them less feminine then the one we have seen.
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#63 Jun 23 2009 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Lehko looks like he should be at the local *** bar, dressed in a leather thong and bowtie doing Metallica cover songs.


Hey, I like metallica! that doesn't mean i'm ga...... oh. Surely it is a coincidence.

In all seriousness, I think that if there are manthras, they will be buffed up, albeit just a tad, from lehko. It'll also help infinitely to have better hair choices and a skin(fur) color that doesn't remind me of Jeremy Reed from Powder.
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It'll also help infinitely to have better hair choices and a skin(fur) color that doesn't remind me of Jeremy Reed from Powder.


Seriously. A little bit of conditioner goes a long way.
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#65 Jun 23 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously. A little bit of conditioner goes a long way.


As does a pair of scissors (at least in the hands of a professional). I've just never been a fan of long hair on guys.
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I've just never been a fan of long hair on guys.


Agree to disagree. I will forever be a Sephiroth fanboi in secret.
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Agree to disagree. I will forever be a Sephiroth fanboi in secret.


no worries, more balthiers for me :)
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So, its seems the majority of Zamites here want Manthras to have feminine builds or at least something more slender and lithe looking than humes but not necessarily effeminate, instead of some huge muscle bound steriod freaks like the Ronso in FFXI, agree'd?



Edited, Jun 24th 2009 11:50pm by Tenison
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Saying men are physically stronger than woman is sexist? Thats interesting...


Except, yeah, it is. Assuming a guy is stronger than a woman is an assumption grounded in expectations of what the genders are like, and of self-reinforcing ideas within society.

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Even if you're a thin kid, you're still going to be stronger than a girl of equal and even larger size than you because you inherently have more muscle mass and denser muscle tissue than she.


I'm pretty sure this is wrong. You're the one making the claim, please back it up with something more than "everyone knows it's true!"
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#70 Jun 25 2009 at 5:12 AM Rating: Default
I think any potential male mithra should be as camp as possible, and have a nice mincing action when they walk, it would be great then we could have the new job : fashion designer!
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Except, yeah, it is. Assuming a guy is stronger than a woman is an assumption grounded in expectations of what the genders are like, and of self-reinforcing ideas within society.


Assuming a guy is stronger than a woman, on the average, is nothing more than a fact. It doesn't make someone a sexist - unless of course - nature itself is sexist.

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I'm pretty sure this is wrong. You're the one making the claim, please back it up with something more than "everyone knows it's true!"


Gee, this should be difficult. Lets start with the over all picture. Who holds the records for every form of power lifting, weightlifting, or general feats of strength. Men. If this common sense fact evades you, We just have to look at Olympics and why sexes are separated in competitions. So that women are able to win medals, too. If they were competing against men, they would never win in contest of strength. Now if anything, that sounds sexist - but really, look past the ridiculous frothing of your mouth and tell me that isn't a sheer fact.

On a smaller, more manageable scale.

Men have larger/thicker bone structure, regardless of a difference (or NONE) difference in height. Thicker bones hold more muscle, again, regardless of height or weight.

Women produce 1/10th the testosterone a man does, this is why (in part) it is called the male hormone. Testosterone increases the mass of your muscles and dramatically increases the muscle to fat ration of a Man Vs a woman. The (vastly) increased testosterone causes a greater capacity for muscular hypertrophy as a result of men's higher levels of testosterone.

Seriously, if you don't have a basic education in even high school biology, maybe you should spend more time cracking down on your studies rather than using this thread a podium for this nonsense.

Hey look, after two seconds of searching look what I found in Wiki

On average, men are taller than women[1] (See sexual dimorphism).

On average, men have a larger waist in comparison to their hips (see waist-hip ratio) than women.

On average, men have longer canine teeth than women.

On average, men have a greater capacity for cardiovascular endurance. This is due to the enlargement of the lungs of boys during puberty, characterized by a more prominent chest.

* On average, men are stronger than women. This is due to a greater capacity for muscular hypertrophy as a result of men's higher levels of testosterone. <-- that sounds familiar

On average, women have more endurance than men. <-- do you know why that is? In part because woman have more fat to body ratio - so they have more stores of energy to burn. Maybe I should get mad or something over that...

On average, men have more body hair than women.

Men’s skin is thicker (more collagen), oilier (more sebum) than women’s skin.[2]

Women's skin is warmer on average than men's.

In men, the second digit (index finger) tends to be shorter than the fourth digit (ring finger), while in women the second digit tends to be longer than the fourth (see digit ratio).

On average, women tend to have skin that is 3-4% lighter than men[citation needed]. One scientist (Rebato, 1999) hypothesized this is an adaptation required for increased production of Vitamin D during pregnancy. Vitamin D is necessary to help the body absorb calcium and deposit it in the bones of fast growing embryos. Lighter pigmentation allows more of the sun's UV radiation to penetrate the skin, and increases a woman's ability to produce vitamin D.[3]

Women have a larger hip section than men, probably an adaptation for giving birth to infants with large skulls.

Men have a more pronounced 'Adam's Apple' or thyroid cartilage due to larger vocal cords (and deeper voices).[4]

Studies examining the leg/trunk ratio between men and women have had conflicting results. In adolescents, there may be no significant gender difference.

Next time, know what the **** you're talking about before you try and crucify me for stating a well know, natural difference, between the genders. There is absolutely nothing sexist about pointing out the natural difference between a man and a woman in such a fashion.

If I had said "Female mithra should be more stoopeed than Male mithra cause boyz are smartz" you might have a case. Instead, you're beating the drum of sheer fallacy.








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#73 Jun 25 2009 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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I like the idea of the Male Mithra and I for one would love it if I was actually able to play one! I kinda know that's not possible what with the lore that FFXI introduced for the race.

I love feminate men. Let me post one of my favorites! Hope no one minds :)

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http://img192.imageshack.us/i/humbm3.jpg/

I think the male Mithra should be some-what feminate, but not weak or a push-over. Because of their situation they need to be able to defend them-selves and lets face it, 'looking after' an entire race worth of women, their bound to be...ahem...fit ;)
#74 Jun 25 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Wall of moronic dribble

Now, if you had taken a basic statistics class, you'd be capable of understanding that the "on average" between two groups can (and in this case "does") have significant variance and overlap.

Your ignorance and stupidity is showing. But then again, you kinda have to be a dumb ignorant **** in order to actually be a sexist. So I suppose it makes sense how utterly insignificant your input is.

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 1:24pm by Karelyn


Lol, you've bankrupt yourself of anything intelligent to say again.

You're on a streak.
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#75 Jun 25 2009 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
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Lol, you've bankrupt yourself of anything intelligent to say again.

You're on a streak.

Your right. I admit I am completely incapable of figuring out how to respond to you. It isn't an everyday task of mine to attempt to communicate with brain dead individuals.

EDIT:

Here is something I wonder... Why does FFXI seem to attract more sexists than any other MMO I've played? On a weekly or monthly basis, I consistently meet more die-hard sexists, who genuinely believe women are inferior, when dealing with the FFXI player-base. On the opposite hand, I can only recall meeting one such person in all of the other MMOs I have played.

Very peculiar.

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Karelyn wrote:

more die-hard sexists, who genuinely believe women are inferior,

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 1:52pm by Karelyn


Please point to exactly where I said women are inferior.
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Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,[1] refers to the belief or attitude that one gender or *** is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other. It can also refer to hatred of, or prejudice towards, either *** as a whole (see misogyny and misandry), or the application of stereotypes of masculinity in relation to men, or of femininity in relation to women.[2] It is also called male and female chauvinism. Historically and across many cultures, sexism has resulted in the subjugation of women to men. Many men and women espousing feminism, masculism and other ideologies have worked toward dispelling sexist beliefs.


I've highlighted the most important point here because I do not agree with the 'less competent' part because lets face it, women will never be able to supass a man in removing the tops off jam-jars and men will never ever be able to locate their socks in the 'sock drawer'.

Lets please stop the flame war and get back on topic!!

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 2:16pm by akelah

As an aside, I have not seen anyone making sexist remarks here.

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 2:17pm by akelah
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Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,[1] refers to the belief or attitude that one gender or *** is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other. It can also refer to hatred of, or prejudice towards, either *** as a whole (see misogyny and misandry), or the application of stereotypes of masculinity in relation to men, or of femininity in relation to women.[2] It is also called male and female chauvinism. Historically and across many cultures, sexism has resulted in the subjugation of women to men. Many men and women espousing feminism, masculism and other ideologies have worked toward dispelling sexist beliefs.


I've highlighted the most important point here because I do not agree with the 'less competent' part because lets face it, women will never be able to supass a man in removing the tops off jam-jars and men will never ever be able to locate their socks in the 'sock drawer'.

Lets please stop the flame war and get back on topic!!

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 2:16pm by akelah


I would love to! In fact, it sounds like a fantastic idea! All I said was "I think male mithra should be larger because males of most species are generally larger and stronger than their opposite gender counterpart"

Next thing I know I have code pink breathing down my neck.
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I would love to! In fact, it sounds like a fantastic idea! All I said was "I think male mithra should be larger because males of most species are generally larger and stronger than their opposite gender counterpart"

Next thing I know I have code pink breathing down my neck.


Meh ignore them.

Lets get back to looking at hot guys! I'll start!

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As I was saying, I like the idea the male Mithra being feminate, but they should be strong - as quite rightly you pointed out, they are male and as such should be strong and perhaps taller. I think the whole Mithra is based on a Lion Pride society. The women do all the work, while the larger males sit there and look pretty, but you better get out of the way when they start fighting.

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Meh ignore them.

Lets get back to looking at hot guys! I'll start!

http://media.photobucket.com/image/gackt/niraeika/gackt/gackt/Gackt664.jpg

As I was saying, I like the idea the male Mithra being feminate, but they should be strong - as quite rightly you pointed out, they are male and as such should be strong and perhaps taller. I think the whole Mithra is based on a Lion Pride society. The women do all the work, while the larger males sit there and look pretty, but you better get out of the way when they start fighting.



I would much rather look at hot woman, thank you. :P

But yeah, I was talking to my GF the other night about this (while she was scrubbing the floor, pregnant and barefoot of course)exact thing. If for some reason, FF14 had to justify the lack of male Mithra, in FF11 (for SOME REASON), you could just use the Lion analogy.

Perhaps the men are inherently lazy (like male lions) and don't like to go out on adventures and such. Or maybe they're (mixed with aforementioned idea) spartan by nature and see such things as a waste of time - better to sit around and hone combat skills.



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looks like an asian jonathan taylor thomas (from home improvement days)
http://www.nndb.com/people/869/000025794/jtt2-sized.jpg
weird.


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Well in FFXi the male Mithra were few and far between and deemed to valuable for the survival of the race to risk their lives. All sounds to me like it is a female dominated society and if they're continuing with that arc and want to make them a playable race, they could just have them revolt and much like my great great great great great grandnana, fight for their rights. Could be interesting, or would be if they went that way.

I do think SE have been done gals like me a bad turn though! I mean, you guys get a half naked, cat-like hottie to oogle over... who do I have... a Galka?! :(
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http://www.nndb.com/people/869/000025794/jtt2-sized.jpg
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LOL! your right! xD

But if your interested the guy I posted is a singer/actor/model with a love for games and anime. I've posted a link to one of his videos a bit further up. His first number one in japan and its such a great track! Sorry... fan girl here LOL!
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Well in FFXi the male Mithra were few and far between and deemed to valuable for the survival of the race to risk their lives. All sounds to me like it is a female dominated society and if they're continuing with that arc and want to make them a playable race, they could just have them revolt and much like my great great great great great grandnana, fight for their rights. Could be interesting, or would be if they went that way.

I do think SE have been done gals like me a bad turn though! I mean, you guys get a half naked, cat-like hottie to oogle over... who do I have... a Galka?! :(


I wonder if they will have Galka have genders now. I didn't really care much for the whole androgynous thing. Not that a Galka could be... a hottie... errr.

Truth be told, I think a Matriarchal society with the Mithra would be more interesting. Regardless if the males are built powerfully (which truth be told, won't happen... ah well)or not.
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For some reason, I feel like male mithras would be by far the most charismatic creatures ever. Sly, cunning -- I kind of envision Locke/"Lucky" from FF6 (3?) when I think of male mithras.
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For some reason, I feel like male mithras would be by far the most charismatic creatures ever. Sly, cunning -- I kind of envision Locke/"Lucky" from FF6 (3?) when I think of male mithras.


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#88 Jun 25 2009 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
This thread could have been ok if not for the woman hater.
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I wonder if they will have Galka have genders now. I didn't really care much for the whole androgynous thing. Not that a Galka could be... a hottie... errr.
Depends on how you play it (which is why I agreed with the muscular amazon comment on female Galka). Buffed up women have worked before (Jeannie from Louie the Rune Soldier comes to mind).

Seeing that male mithra are something that has been asked for over the last two years or so, I'd think Square is looking to deliver this time around. I'd still roll a taru over them, but I've never really liked the idea of "one-gender" playable races.
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I wonder if they will have Galka have genders now. I didn't really care much for the whole androgynous thing. Not that a Galka could be... a hottie... errr.
Depends on how you play it (which is why I agreed with the muscular amazon comment on female Galka). Buffed up women have worked before (Jeannie from Louie the Rune Soldier comes to mind).

Seeing that male mithra are something that has been asked for over the last two years or so, I'd think Square is looking to deliver this time around. I'd still roll a taru over them, but I've never really liked the idea of "one-gender" playable races.


All in all, I hope they make a robust character creation system. If you want to play a muscular female, you should be able to. After all, it only makes sense since we're talking about battle hardened warriors. If you want to play an anorexic hume/cat/ or even Galka, you should be able to. I suppose there should be a certain frame size you can't deviate from (so we don't have 6 foot taru run around), but chances are, we're going to get stuck with something similar as FF11.

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All in all, I hope they make a robust character creation system. If you want to play a muscular female, you should be able to. After all, it only makes sense since we're talking about battle hardened warriors.


I think that works, too. It could happen with a system that allows you to fully customize your character's frame and build, height and weight, rather than the old XI system where there were only three options for you to choose from.

One of the main detractions XI had compared to other games that had been released was its 'cloning process'; there weren't many customization options available to us. I think this is a chance for the developers to learn from their mistakes and appeal to both those who would prefer a more effeminate Mantra, as well as those who'd rather see a more masculine Mantra. You meet all sorts of people in real life, and I don't think we should downplay that community aspect in terms of graphics with the XIV character creation system.
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#92 Jul 12 2009 at 12:29 AM Rating: Default
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I wouldn't be against this if they added it , Hopefully they will.. SE would end up making alot of players happy
#93 Jul 12 2009 at 12:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Again, I can't really argue with that and nothing in REAL truth was meant to start one as such. My opinion happens to be the polar opposite, and to me, from a realistic stand point, males should be much larger than females as they are in 90% fauna in this world and most fantasies/games/etc.

But like I said, thats my personal opinion. I'd much rather play a Ronso like race than a anorexic cat race.
Theres actually a few instances of Mammals where the females are larger. one of them happens to be one of the great cats the Bengal Tiger. Female Hyenas are larger then males. It's not unheard of in the mammal world and its quite common among insects, fish and arachnids. So that 90% figure your throwing out there is false. I don't see whats wrong with diversity. If you don't want to play feminine male or a masculine female.... then don't. But the option should be there for those who would like to.
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#94 Jul 12 2009 at 4:47 AM Rating: Default
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mezlabor wrote:

Theres actually a few instances of Mammals where the females are larger. one of them happens to be one of the great cats the Bengal Tiger. Female Hyenas are larger then males. It's not unheard of in the mammal world and its quite common among insects, fish and arachnids. So that 90% figure your throwing out there is false. I don't see whats wrong with diversity. If you don't want to play feminine male or a masculine female.... then don't. But the option should be there for those who would like to.



Yes, obviously there are a few instances that isn't true - which is why I didn't say 100% Reading comprehension is a must if you're going to try and bust into an argument thats almost a month old, FFS. Secondly, female tigers are never larger - your example fails here: facts

Thirdly, I said mammals, which makes your other example moot. And finally, again, so you don't come across as an *** jumping into an old argument, what two post above... three maybe(?) I said I hope they make a robust character creation system so people can make what they want.

Edited, Jul 12th 2009 8:47am by Vackashken

Edited, Jul 12th 2009 6:24pm by Vackashken
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#95 Jul 12 2009 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Thumbs up to Manthras. SE, consider the following link as an example of what not to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbknGnZXHUk
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Theres actually a few instances of Mammals where the females are larger.


There are very few examples of the female being bigger for a reason and then even if they are its simply to help them concieve/birth/nurture young.

But this conversation shouldn't be about the value and worth of the female species since no one has indicated any kind of sexist remarks here.

Male Mithras do not fight because they are small or feable. They can fight adequately and they should come in various shapes and sizes true to their race and gender. In all species of cats the Male is bigger than the Female, but these are Humanoid creatures with feline features and manerisms and as such there are Female Humans who are bigger than some Males.

The reason the Male Mithra is not seen fighting or adventuring as much (if at all) as his female counter-part is because the whole idea of the Mithra race is typical of your amazonian legend. Many females, few Males. But their race survives because one male can fertalize many females. This way is imperative to the races survival and as such it is made illegal for the Males to adventure, for even if they were to loose but one of the few Men born, this could take centuries to recover from.



#97 Jul 12 2009 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Did I miss some announcement where characters wouldn't be customisable? This won't be FFXI anymore people, and if SE has any kind of sense, we'll be able to adjust the body shape and size of our characters. I personally -would- like a more slim look for my character, because I think it suits the feline form of it. Being quick and clever is a pretty cool angle that I like, as opposed to hulking with mass. However, I'd see the other end of the scale as perhaps something more of this kind of size?:
http://static3.animepaper.net/upload/thumbs/scans/Breath-of-Fire-IV/[large][AnimePaper]scans_Breath-of-Fire-IV_hatesyou_-edit560.jpg

Obviously without the weird raccoon tail thing, I think that's a nice shape if your idea of fun is a buff cat.

Edit: god **** the link failed on me, it's just the whole thing, though you're not missing that much if you don't bother.


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#98 Jul 13 2009 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't want them to be "feminine," but I don't want them to be giant hulking macho men, either. That's what we have Galka for. :)

Please don't make the Mithra race like Draenei. >_<

I would like to see Male Mithras still be slender. They can be a little more muscular, but not much.
This is just my preference, and everyone who wants hulking Mithra men are entitled to that preference as well. :)

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#99 Jul 13 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2a9FV5CJQ

Pretty much my opinion on this subject matter.
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#100 Jul 13 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Lehko looks like he should be at the local *** bar, dressed in a leather thong and bowtie doing Culture Club cover songs.

Fixed, making Lehko much more desirable in the process!

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#101 Jul 13 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I want the male mithra race to be slender and still agile. Have another beast race that is big and bulky though, have a nice lionesque mane. Also Gria.. haveing about 7-10 races this time would be sweet.

Btw 100th post in this thread :P
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