I hope you know you are doing the same thing you are accusing Rob Pardo of doing.
The difference between me and Pardo is I'm coming to a forum as an equal (if I'm lucky) and no one would assume my assumptions are anything more. And I never inferred they were more. I also try pretty hard to make clear when I'm writing about facts, and when I'm voicing my opinion.
Pardo. is speaking on MMOs as a person of knowledge on the issue, and using that elevated position to make his assumptions or inferences into fact. And makes no attempt whatsoever to seperate his knowledge of the industry from his assumptions about a portion of the industry he isn't highly involved in.
Now, perhaps you'd like to comment about the meat of my post, instead of stating the obvious. Do you believe Pardo? Do you not?
Another difference is he was in an interview, not sitting in front of his computer. Not only did he not have the luxury of bringing his spreadsheets, quarterly reports and transcripts of his negotiations as proof of his worthiness to speak but b) the reporter wouldn't care to see them and c) even if he did they would have been cut out of the article.
He wasn't saying without a doubt THIS IS THE LAW AND WHAT I SAY IS TRUE but simply voiced the problems with porting an MMO onto a console. He never said this happened on this date and this is true about this. There was no need for facts.
Now, if you want me to talk about your posts in detail I will...it seems everyone in this forum wants huge page long point for point arguments.
I found it it astonishing how backwards the Blizzard rep came off in that article (read it on another site earlier today.) He wonders if he'd have to ship people KB/Ms to support existing interfaces, when all three current machines out have standard usb ports (ps2 too!) and could use any existing peripherals in the market today.
That has little to no impact on what he said. He posed a valid concern.
He speaks as though everyone has a teeny HDD though the majority of HDD equipped consoles have plenty of room for a MMO and space to spare. That's his "Bigger Issue" and it's one that has been manuvered successfully for two generations now! He makes a correct statement that not all 360s come with a HDD, but ignores the fact that zero PS2s had one and a sucessful market was found.
It's a valid concern. Just because one company managed to get around that problem doesn't mean it was easy and now everyone can do it. The size of the current HDDs are still a concern...something you have to work with...something you have to put people on to think about and pay to develop.
He then postulates that because Sony and MS receive a portion of software sales that they would demand a piece of subscription fees as well. He doesn't say this has happened, he says it will happen, and doesn't sound like he's speaking from a position of knowledge on the issue. Perhaps MS has made a demand. Perhaps Sony has as well. But I'm dubious of his claim,
Again, it's a valid concern. Does he even need to say that they have done it before? Does he need proof? No, Sony and MS want to milk everything as much as they can asking for a portion of the subscription is only logical and something to worry about if you are going to port a game to a console.
especially with the number of MMOs coming in the next 18 months to the PS3.
I'm curious, which MMOs are you talking about. I only know of one for sure. The rest are either a possibility or it is a game developed by sony.
Making a cross platform MMO has its challenges, to be sure.
Yes. This is the point of the whole article.
But He made it sound like a herculean effort
No, he didn't. He simply listed the challenges and said those are the reasons you don't see a lot of console MMOs.
when we've already had a top quality console MMO on the market for over 5 years now,
Only one, that doesn't eliminate any challenges.
on antiquated equipment,
with antiquated graphics
and there are many more on the horizon for this generation.
That doesn't even matter. You make it sound as if a game can't possibly be made if there aren't any challenges and since there might be some games made in the near future made on a console there can't possibly be any challenges in doing so.
He simply came off as whining about limitations his competitors have maneuvered without complaint. A Poor Show.
Well, I disgree and, honestly, I don't see how you get that from the little excepts they show us. He's simply answering the question of why there aren't many MMOs on consoles and giving some of the challenges.
So, from reading through the entire thread, we are just assuming that Pardo's subscription statement was true? No one is questioning it at all. We are taking it as absolute fact?
XI has been around for sometime... in all that time, has anyone ever found evidence Sony, (or Microsoft) has ever received payment for all or part of the XI userbase? I mean I've seen articles through the years dissecting SE's financial statements, but never heard this revelation before. Not one whisper. Pardo never said any had ever asked him for a piece of any subscription, or that he had knowledge of it happening. It seemed pretty clear to me that was his assumption. Perhaps even an educated assumption, but not fact.
I could honestly see this kind of situation being the hurdle that is holding back any progress for a XIV port on the 360. Perhaps, MS now wants a piece of the pie they were willing to pass by to get XI on their new console ASAP. but we have no evidence of that yet, and we have even less reason to believe that's the case with Sony.
I've already gone over this. There's no need for proof of anything. It's simply a very valid concern as you yourself admit in the third paragraph. This is a simple matter of profit over expense. If too many challenges crop up to port a game over to a console it will simply become too expensive to do.
Now, I'm not probably not going to respond to anything you say after this. Not because I think you are too stupid or too smart to give an answer to but because I don't care about you as I'm sure you don't care about me so let's cut the pretenses and just leave it as it is.