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#1 Jun 26 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I really hope SE will have an official FFXIV armory (similair to WoW), it would be really nice ^^
#2 Jun 26 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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For more feedback, you should elaborate for those who do not know/play WoW

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#3 Jun 26 2009 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
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For more feedback, you should elaborate for those who do not know/play WoW

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This.

We've been getting a lot of comments in Threads stating "More like WoW, more like <insert here>".

How about making it more like..Final Fantasy?
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#4 Jun 26 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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We've been getting a lot of comments in Threads stating "More like WoW, more like <insert here>".

How about making it more like..Final Fantasy?


Eh, I'm hesitant to take such a stark stance against importing or implementing successful or even desirable concepts from other MMOs (givin, FFXI was the only MMO i've played, other than 3hrs of the WoW trial).

I do agree, however, that copying a large chunk of gameplay dynamics from other games and implanting it in FFXIV without regard to compatibility will work as well as a blood transfusion between someone with A type blood and someone with B type.

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 4:47pm by Bardalicious
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#5 Jun 26 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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The armory is an official WoW site that tracks player progress including gear, reputation, achievements as well as shows exactly where gear drops. Its the best site out there for player progress but there are a few website out there that show guild progression and gear drops better.


www.wowarmory.com/

And as an example I'll show my DK that I haven't played for a while.

www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hyjal&n=Ruinations
#6 Jun 26 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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As much as I liked the armory, I found it was used for harassing other people about their builds more than anything else.

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 2:52pm by Kirbster
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#7 Jun 26 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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It's not too unlikely that SE will implement such a feature. WAR decided to copy the concept as well.
#8 Jun 26 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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From what I've experienced, SE isn't good with stuff like this =( Hopefully it gets added though.
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#9 Jun 26 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirbster wrote:
As much as I liked the armory, I found it was used for harassing other people about their builds more than anything else.


True, it was often used as such in the forums but the official forums are a waste of time and shouldn't be bothered with. Outside of that it's a great tool to get tips on talent builds and gear choices as well as a good tool for group leaders to check out a potential group mates gear before joining a party or raid to make sure he/she is capable of participating.
#10 Jun 26 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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You're correct in saying that it was useful, but at the same time, it also encouraged cookie-cutter builds because somebody could check your talent tree at the same time.

I'm just saying, sometimes complete transparency isn't always a good thing. I always found Thottbot and wowhead much more useful than the Armory.

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 2:59pm by Kirbster
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#11 Jun 26 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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So uhh basically what the Linkshell community already offers, but just a little more accessable and maybe not be in Beta for about 4 years?

Edit: Example (sorry random guy but you were at the top of the list...)

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 6:00pm by ditx
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#12 Jun 26 2009 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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WoW officially disturbs me. After clicking no more than 4 times randomly, i found these:

http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=40895
Equip: Allows you to see players without clothing and armor.

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#13 Jun 26 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Engineering has a lot of funny neat little things like that. I'm assuming you've not played wow, it was generally a lot more goofy than XI was. (For better or worse)

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So uhh basically what the Linkshell community already offers, but just a little more accessable and maybe not be in Beta for about 4 years?


I had completely forgotten about the linkshell community beta. I'm going to assume SE will be taking that out of beta and adapting a version of it for XIV.

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 3:04pm by Kirbster
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#14 Jun 26 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirbster wrote:
You're correct in saying that it was useful, but at the same time, it also encouraged cookie-cutter builds because somebody could check your talent tree at the same time.

I'm just saying, sometimes complete transparency isn't always a good thing. I always found Thottbot and wowhead much more useful than the Armory.


The game itself encourages cookie cutter builds as certain builds are just better than others; armory is just a tool. I generally used Thottbot, wowhead and mmo-champion more often as well but the armory was useful for checking up on people's progress, especially friends.
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I seriously doubt SE will implement such a feature. This is japan we are talking about, a culture who likes it's privacy. FFXI has /anon which is used heavily; players who HATE getting examined to the point of swapping gear to stop such actions. So a site that tracks a player individually, ain't going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, i LIKE the idea of such a site. But the culture says otherwise.

EDIT: This is assuming if a privacy option isn't available. (Read the below posts)

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 6:18pm by Yazumi
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#16 Jun 26 2009 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
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Engineering has a lot of funny neat little things like that. I'm assuming you've not played wow, it was generally a lot more goofy than XI was. (For better or worse)


Goofy stuff really turns me off from games, i'm personally glad FFXI didn't have anything this obscenely silly. You're mostly right in your assumption, I've only played 3 hours of WoW, lol.

Besides, if you want nekkid polygons in FFXI, that is what dat modding is for >.>

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I seriously doubt SE will implement such a feature. This is japan we are talking about, a culture who likes it's privacy. FFXI has /anon which is used heavily; players who HATE getting examined to the point of swapping gear to stop such actions. So a site that tracks a player individually, ain't going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, i LIKE the idea of such a site. But the culture says otherwise.


Again, i don't know anything about this, but i'd assume it is optional. If not, it certainly should be, or at least make it to where you can have privacy settings (be able to "friend" people before they can see your info, etc)

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 5:10pm by Bardalicious
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#17Skeptic, Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 2:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This! If SE implemented everything most people are suggesting on the Forums, then FFXIV would actually be:
#18 Jun 26 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Bardalicious wrote:
Again, i don't know anything about this, but i'd assume it is optional. If not, it certainly should be, or at least make it to where you can have privacy settings (be able to "friend" people before they can see your info, etc)


Well the OP mentions WOW Armory which doesn't feature such an option. If such an option is available, don't think anyone would complain/object for an armory.
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#19 Jun 26 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, if you had the option to make your profile blocked for anyone but yourself and/or people on your friendlist, I think it would probably be ideal.

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 3:19pm by Kirbster
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#20 Jun 26 2009 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see why anyone would care if someone saw their gear. I think it's highly beneficial for WoW, considering it's so gear oriented. Before the armory you would have to ask people what type of gear they have which is rather inefficient. Going into the armory you can not only see the quality of their gear but how much they actually know by the gear they choose.

It wouldn't be as useful in a game like FFXI though since the gear doesn't provide much of a benefit compared to WoW gear. If FFXIV is anything like FFXI in that sense than an armory type system isn't needed (but still fun if they decide to do it).
#21 Jun 26 2009 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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How about an official version of FFXIAH.com?

Here's an example of their player profiles.
#22 Jun 26 2009 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd much rather see sites such as FFXIVAH.com and other resource sites.
#23Skeptic, Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 4:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Funny how FFXIV is in the title but all you see is comments on WoW, lol.
#24 Jun 26 2009 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Funny how FFXIV is in the title but all you see is comments on WoW, lol.

Irony?


Ugh, christ give me the strength....

This may be difficult for you to understand, so I will try to ****** my vocabulary and sentence length.

WoW is a popular game. Many people like WoW. It is a successful MMO. There are lots of things people like about WoW. FFXIV will be a MMO, too. MMOs can have things in common. Wow and FFXIV might have things in common. The Armory idea might be something in common. SE has told us nothing about FFXIV, so we speculate and raise questions such as this one.


Sorry, that last sentence is a little rough, but i have faith in you.
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#25Skeptic, Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 4:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FFXIV will be a popular MMO. FFXI is a popular MMO as of now also. FFXI was a great game without using anything from WoW, let alone any other MMO. FFXIV can and will be the same way. FFXIV does not need to use anything from WoW. Some people don't like WoW. A lot of people don't want to see stuff from WoW in FFXIV. FFXIV and WoW don't have to have anything in common.
#26 Jun 26 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
WoW has a playerbase so wide and young that most of them have never heard of Final Fantasy let alone FFXI, been 3 years since the last FF game. Really SE have ****** up, no wonder they want to release FFXIV of the back of FFXIII in 2010.
1997 FFVII ( the first game that made FF a "household name" )
1999 FFVIII (2yrs later-ish)
2000 FF9 (1yr " " )
2001 FFX (1yr " " )
2002 FFXI (1yr " " )
2003 FFX-2 (1yr " " )
but then
2006 FFXII (3yrs)
2010FFXIII (4yrs)
Hmmmm....

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#27 Jun 26 2009 at 5:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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How's that? I'm sure if you go to a WoW forum you won't see "FFXI" commented as much there as you would see WoW here, because those people play WoW, like WoW, and don't feel they need anything from THIS game to make it better. So why continue to mention another game most people don't even prefer to play over Final Fantasy?


These are forums to discuss a new game, and references to other MMOs are 100% reasonable and acceptable. These are not the FFXI boards. If you want to be an FFXI fanboi getting butthurt at every mention of WoW, trot on over to the FFXI boards. Like it or not, WoW changed a lot of things about how people saw MMOs. There will be aspects of FFXIV that more closely resemble WoW than they do FFXI. That doesn't mean FFXIV is a WoW clone, or that they stole the idea from WoW, or anything else along those lines. It just means SE implemented a concept that resembles another game. That is all.

Get over it.


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#28 Jun 26 2009 at 6:04 PM Rating: Default
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Really SE have @#%^ed up


Yes the fact that development takes longer than earlier is SE's fault entirely. They should make copies of FFVII every 2nd year to keep the players happy, I know.
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#29 Jun 26 2009 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes the fact that development takes longer than earlier is SE's fault entirely. They should make copies of FFVII every 2nd year to keep the players happy, I know.


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#30 Jun 28 2009 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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If you want to play wow, go play it. The less things about FFXIV that are like wow, the better. I hate the armory. I hate people looking at my character and judging me, and there's no way I can stop them. You can't say a single word about PvP on the forums unless your arena team is 2600 rating. You can't say a single word about raiding unless you have full T8.5, and perfectly balanced gear. The armory degraded the community of wow when it was introduced. Back then, I thought it couldn't sink any lower, but lo and behold, they found a way to do it.

I tire of warcraft and blizzard's constant addition of gimmicks to entice their playerbase. Wow use to be a fairly good game, wherein each class was balanced, yet varied, but blizzard does things wrong. They cater to their players. What their players ask for, they give. This only serves to further disconnect wow from its definition as a game and move it towards a simple medium for perpetuating addiction.

Not even a small part of me wants to see an official armory for FFXIV. You might be able to convince me on official auction house access like ffxiah, but I say pass on the armory.
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#32 Jul 03 2009 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't want it either, it seem a good excuse for people do discriminate other players and somewhat offensive to the privacy.

Sites like Allakhazam and FFXIAH is all i need to get info about items, quests and if players want to show off what they have they can.
Having the option to show off: good, being forced: bad

#33 Jul 03 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you want to play wow, go play it. The less things about FFXIV that are like wow, the better. I hate the armory. I hate people looking at my character and judging me, and there's no way I can stop them.



Ummm....

Merylstryfe examines you.


Merylstryfe laughs at you.


Yeah, it happens in ffxi too, but its a bit more personal.

The idea of being able to find upgrades for gear is nice. WoW has a great "Open door" policy to their game; they don't keep a lot of secrets.

I'd like to see a hybrid between FFXI's secrecy and WoW's openess. Not agreeing with an armory, but not against it either.
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#34 Jul 03 2009 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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The people who have never used it or aren't familiar with it don't really understand the benefit the Armory can bring. Even something as simple as sending (or giving) a shell mate an item that dropped that they could use is simplified thanks to knowing what gear they have at almost any given time. It is much more useful in WoW than it would ever be in FFXI, but since we don't know how FFXIV will be, speculation for it won't hurt either.

What I really would like to see if the calender system that WoW uses (o.o incoming rate downs). Every MMO should have it and I don't care who came up with it first.
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#35 Jul 03 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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This is just ffxiah.com right? Never played wow so idk what half the stuff on that site means, but seems to me that's what it is. Also ffxiah.com have bought ffxivah.com which i hope will be able to work the same way as their current site.
Also with ffxiah you have to signup to have anything on your character show up (bar last 25 ah transactions).
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#36 Jul 03 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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SE did try to do something similar in FFXI with the Linkshell community site. but it was pretty confusing. I couldn't figure out how to change linkshells on it plus you couldn't rely on other players to use it.
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This is just ffxiah.com right?

It's really more than that. Imagine links to your merits, professions, mission status, achievements (titles), Linkshell calender, etc. Almost like a blend of the Linkshell Community, Your Linkshell Forums and FFXIAH that's frequently updated automatically.

Here is an example: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uther&n=Senary
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#38 Jul 03 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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This is just ffxiah.com right?

It's really more than that. Imagine links to your merits, professions, mission status, achievements (titles), Linkshell calender, etc. Almost like a blend of the Linkshell Community, Your Linkshell Forums and FFXIAH that's frequently updated automatically.


FFXIAH has all that stuff and more, it's all optional whether you want it to be public or not, which is actually why I linked to the person I did with my original post in this thread, he happens to have it all set as public.

I'm not really sure what the 'Linkshell calender' is (it's locked in the link), but FFXIAH does have basic linkshell profile pages.
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Yes, you would need to login under the account to see the calender.

Basically, it allows you to schedule events and have people sign up for those events so you know how many people and jobs are available for each event, what time they signed up and allows a small amount of room for misc. comments. Also, you are not limited to only signing up guild members so anyone who plans on attending will appear in the event list. The armory link is a real time update to your guild calender (which is also available in game).

Here is a decent guide if interested in more information: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6178530493&sid=1

Since it's very similar, hopefully SE will take a page from FFXIAH because it's a extremely useful tool.
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/nod... a calender like that would certainly be useful. I know a lot of linkshells struggle to set up Missions, or runs for things like O-hat, Reverend Mail, Rostrum pumps etc. and shouting for outsiders isn't always effective.
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The thing with an Armory feature is that, in order to be a useful tool, you can't have any notion of privacy whatsoever. When someone asks you if they can join your guild/linkshell/group to do something, yet they have their profile set to private, and will use every means necessary to ensure that you can't get an idea of how good/terribad they are, how can you trust them? Blind faith isn't something I deal in, especially when I want to be successful in an activity, and I would imagine there are many others who share the same sentiment.

The fact that such a feature can be used to discredit or discriminate is moot. Why the **** should people listen to you or carry your *** through content? If you gave even half a **** about doing well, you'd fix your own gameplay mistakes (and I assure you, you're likely to be making tons, especially in PvP) before going on forums and advocating for sweeping changes that would more than likely break the already shaky balance that exists between classes or between PvE and PvP. You'd make talent choices, gear choices, and gemming/enchant choices that would bring benefits not just to you, but to the group as a whole, and would be applicable to a large variety of situations in a specific role, as opposed to that one ridiculous fantasy you have where you tank, heal, and DPS a raid boss singlehandedly thanks to the variety of your stat and talent choices.
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#42 Jul 03 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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It also encouraged cookie-cutter builds because somebody could check your talent tree at the same time.

Sometimes encouraging cookie cutters is a good thing.

It's better that a new player copies a cookie cutter, than do a completely ineffective build because they don't understand what they are doing.

After you get a more secure understanding into class mechanics, you can begin breaking away from the cookie cutters. But before you really understand the class, it's generally a bad idea to try and make your own build.

Until you understand the "Why?" behind the decisions you make, it's best to copy someone else who does understand the Whys.

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Besides, if you want nekkid polygons in FFXI, that is what dat modding is for >.>

The x-ray goggles aren't actually letting you see people naked. They put the person in their underwear, the unclothed state. Good for public speaking.

FFXI had an unclothed state too, if you took off all your characters armor. I KNOW you've seen it, ya can't go 50 feet in a town without seeing a hume female mule in her granny panties.

There was also an item called "Beer Goggles" which when you wore them, made all characters look like female orcs in their underwear.

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Well the OP mentions WOW Armory which doesn't feature such an option. If such an option is available, don't think anyone would complain/object for an armory.

There was such a feature in WoW. It was called The Tinfoil Hat.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you <.<

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I hate the armory. I hate people looking at my character and judging me, and there's no way I can stop them. You can't say a single word about PvP on the forums unless your arena team is 2600 rating.

To be fair, if you have a rating of 1300, that means you lose roughly 90-95% of your matches, which means you probably aren't one to have the best understanding of PvP.

IIRC, it's a 2000 rating (or somewhere around there) where you win and lose about 50% of matches. That would be an average skilled player, which is why generally if you don't at least have a 2000 rating, people disregard what you say on the subject of PvP.

There is a very good reason why people don't care what you have to say. It's like all the people who used to speculate on how to kill Absolute Virtue, who had never fought Absolute Virtue, or even had a level capped character. It was a joke.

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Karelyn wrote:
There was such a feature in WoW. It was called The Tinfoil Hat.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you <.<


Before someone who doesn't play WoW gets confused; The Tinfoil Hat isn't real, was a joke for those who were against the introduction of the armory. Lastly, im not paranoid >.<; just not a fan of the armory.

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The thing with an Armory feature is that, in order to be a useful tool, you can't have any notion of privacy whatsoever. When someone asks you if they can join your guild/linkshell/group to do something, yet they have their profile set to private, and will use every means necessary to ensure that you can't get an idea of how good/terribad they are, how can you trust them? Blind faith isn't something I deal in, especially when I want to be successful in an activity, and I would imagine there are many others who share the same sentiment.


This is because half (if not more) of wow community is crap. you rarely crossed the way of someone who dont know how to play his job at max lvl in ffxi. In wow.. its practically a joke. so hence the need of a tool such as the wowarmory.
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you rarely crossed the way of someone who dont know how to play his job at max lvl in ffxi.

Ummmmm...

Well, maybe I'm just unlucky, but my experiences in FFXI begged to differ.
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If you want to play wow, go play it. The less things about FFXIV that are like wow, the better.


And if you want to play FFXI, go play that.

This is a new game. It won't be WoW. It won't be EQII. It won't be EVE. It won't be FFXI. It won't be War.

It'll be FFXIV.

Do you HONESTLY think that FFXIV didn't borrow concepts from other games? MMOs existed a long time before it did. And the FF genre itself was built like Dragon Quest (back when Enix and Squaresoft were different companies). Was FF a DQ clone? No. And it was very popular. Was it similar in many ways? Of course.

SE is going to be looking at what works and does not work in EVERY popular MMO they can find (and the unpopular ones). They may try and emulate certain aspects, but even those won't be copies of what is found elsewhere. Maybe they'll have a minimap. That doesn't mean they can't create one from scratch that has functionality that specifically tailors to FFXIV. Maybe they'll have an Armory. That doesn't mean they won't add a privacy feature, let people leave comments on their own page and those of their friends, allow people to access it in game, etc.

If no video game developer looked at what the others were doing, games would SUCK. Why? Because progression would be IMPOSSIBLE. We'd just be playing board games with good graphics against a computer, if lucky.

Things WILL be shared between WoW and FFXIV. That may or may not be a good thing.

But, not even considering them is beyond a doubt, a HORRIBLE decision.

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Here's a simile.

You are writing a paper for a class. In that paper you need to research and cite sources. These will be the obvious markers.

But, what goes into a paper isn't just that info directly taken from other sources. You need to think about it. Explain it. Build upon it. Support it. Make it work with the rest of the info. Just because my friend successfully used a fact about a volcano in his, doesn't mean that fact will help mine. I need to tailor my selection of facts so that it helps my piece. And, sometimes, I may have to sacrifice other pieces for something that is more important.

And, I have also learned how to do this over years of practice and study. I've written and read works. I've learned different ways to grammatically structure sentences. I've learned what passive voice in, and discovered what kind of situations it can be useful for (though they may be few in college-level nonfiction). Had I never participated in this, my paper would be dull and unable to express my thoughts, opinions, discoveries and more.

It is the same for MMOs and other games.

They are going to look at all the other sources they can and try to learn their grammar, if you will. They'll see the systems in place, and how they interact. They'll try and work some in, and others they will shy away from. But, all the while, they'll resist putting something in that is just out of place, like a comment on igneous rock in an essay about the mating rituals of hippos.

In the end, we hope for something where all the parts are strong, and compliment the whole. Some things may have to be abandoned. Maybe SE thinks such absolute privacy needs to be abandoned in favor of information flow with an armory. Maybe they don't. Maybe some variation of the system will work. Maybe it won't.

A game is far more than a bunch of brand new ideas that designers throw together. And, when you really look at the gaming industry, those that try the hardest to be completely new and innovative are the ones that are approached delicately and with apprehension--no one knows what to expect and they rarely sell well (you usually see similar systems in best sellers down the road).

People want to be able to relate to a game. When I went to WoW from FFXI, there were many similarities and many differences. But, the fact that there WERE similarities let me approach the new game. Things like Exp, AHs, guilds (LSs), leveling, etc. were all there and understood, at least a little, so I could spend time learning other things. Whereas, with EVE, I was WAY over my head--space ships, complicated ecnomies, traversing a universe, etc.

It would be a sad day for FFXIV if SE said they weren't going to consider how other MMOs worked in their process.

Edited, Jul 4th 2009 3:16am by idiggory
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#48 Jul 04 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Great idea. Now instead of offending people by inspecting them, I can offend them by checking their armory!
#49 Jul 04 2009 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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KarlHungis wrote:
Great idea. Now instead of offending people by inspecting them, I can offend them by checking their armory!


Honestly, anyone offended by either needs to see a psychiatrist as he/she has some issues.
#50 Jul 06 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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To be fair, if you have a rating of 1300, that means you lose roughly 90-95% of your matches, which means you probably aren't one to have the best understanding of PvP.

IIRC, it's a 2000 rating (or somewhere around there) where you win and lose about 50% of matches. That would be an average skilled player, which is why generally if you don't at least have a 2000 rating, people disregard what you say on the subject of PvP.

There is a very good reason why people don't care what you have to say. It's like all the people who used to speculate on how to kill Absolute Virtue, who had never fought Absolute Virtue, or even had a level capped character. It was a joke.

You're missing the point. An idea should be judged on the merit of the idea, not the stats of the person who says it. The armory does not promote that kind of objectivity.
#51 Jul 06 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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You're missing the point. An idea should be judged on the merit of the idea, not the stats of the person who says it. The armory does not promote that kind of objectivity.

I repeat... It's like all the people who used to speculate on how to kill Absolute Virtue, who had never fought Absolute Virtue, or even had a level capped character. It was a joke.

The ideas put forth by people who have not experienced the content, often have zero merit at all, and are frequently nonsense at best.

People read your idea, see it makes no sense, take a split second look at your armory "Oh, look, the person is level 25 and doesn't have a subjob yet, now it makes sense why their suggestion on how to fight Absolute Virtue is Absolutely Braindead." and now they know why they should ignore anything you have to say on the topic, as they now know why you are completely clueless.

An idea that you propose on a subject you know nothing about will always have no merit. It would be more accurately described as wild guessing at best. Sheer stupidity at worst.
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