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#52 Jul 06 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Having a feature like the armory in FFXIV would be beneficial.

Here is just one example:
My guild uses the armory in their recruitment process. Viewing a person's character on the armory gives our guild a good summary of a new applicant. It's like giving a resume to a possible employer. It's not better than an interview, but it can get your foot in the door.
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#53 Jul 06 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Let me rephrase. This:

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People read your idea, see it makes no sense, take a split second look at your armory "Oh, look, the person is level 25 and doesn't have a subjob yet, now it makes sense why their suggestion on how to fight Absolute Virtue is Absolutely Braindead."


is not what happens with the armory in play. If it actually happened this way, I would agree with you, but it doesn't. Maybe you personally aren't an idiot when it comes to using the armory, but most people are. If people used the armory in the correct way with relation to the community, it would be fine. I still wouldn't support it because it detracts from the encapsulation of the game, but that's moot anyways, because what you described is not what happens. People do not read the posts, they do not judge the ideas. I see people put forth valid hypotheticals on the wow forums, and the responses they get are "Get to 80 and then talk" or something to that effect. Let me reiterate: these people make valid points, and the community spits in their face because they don't have an 80 with full T8.5 and an arena rating of 2600. People simply do not read posts with the armory around.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 3:50pm by AntiMe
#54 Jul 06 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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Don't see much point, /check & a trial run was all I ever needed to tell if somebody sucked or not.
#55 Jul 06 2009 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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People do not read the posts, they do not judge the ideas. I see people put forth valid hypotheticals on the wow forums, and the responses they get are "Get to 80 and then talk" or something to that effect. Let me reiterate: these people make valid points, and the community spits in their face because they don't have an 80 with full T8.5 and an arena rating of 2600. People simply do not read posts with the armory around.



I agree, i saw it happen too often.
I am amazed that all the people that hate WoW community doesnt realize this is one of the thing that "bad" people use most to be jerks to other players.
When you are in game you cannot say your opinion (not just on game facts) that some one that thinks different will go to the armory and find a stupid reason to make fun of you in trade chat (same as /shout in ffxi )

And this will happen in ANY game not just WoW, just give some people the chance to be annoying and they will take it.

(again, my grammar suck ~.~ sorry)
#56 Jul 06 2009 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Three rules for those who play wow:

1. Do not use the official forums
2. Do not use the official forums
3. DO NOT USE THE OFFICIAL FORUMS

Honestly, no good comes from the official forums. The only people who use them are trolls and people who don't know any better. Don't discredit the armory because of the drivel people post on the official forums.

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Jobangles wrote:
Don't see much point, /check & a trial run was all I ever needed to tell if somebody sucked or not.


With the armory you can generally know how good the player is before you even invite him/her thereby eliminating the wasted time you normally go through in FFXI before realizing you're grouped with an idiot.

And another thing...I've been meaning to tell you, Jobangles, every time I look at your name I think Bojangles.
#57 Jul 06 2009 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Well if the discussion here is whether or not the armory can be beneficial, then I believe the answer is yes.

Blocking it to be viewed by your LS mates or by the people you select is something else to consider. I would imagine that SE would revamp the online portal and give us that option.

Armory or not, You will encounter pricks who will judge you based on your gear (alone) whether you make the information available online or they happen to catch you standing at the AH. The Armory has the added benefit (or downfall?) of telling you who has been where and who has accomplished what. Restrict it to LS members or allow it to be hidden altogether and there will be no reasons that we shouldn't have something like it in place.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 2:35pm by sixgauge
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#58 Jul 06 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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With the armory you can generally know how good the player is before you even invite him/her thereby eliminating the wasted time you normally go through in FFXI before realizing you're grouped with an idiot.

And another thing...I've been meaning to tell you, Jobangles, every time I look at your name I think Bojangles.


Unless it works different than how I think it does, it would be inaccurate. There are a lot of people like me who use situational, aesthetic, & sleeper builds depending on what they're doing. eg I'll do missions or kill weak NM's like Amikiri on my Ninja while wearing near full Arhat's+1, random accessories, & Oninohocho/Mamu+1. But when it's time for LS events, I was fully maxed out bar relic Katana & speed belt.(On both my main jobs)

Also, Bojangles was the inspiration behind this clever name of mine.
#59 Jul 06 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Jobangles wrote:
Unless it works different than how I think it does, it would be inaccurate. There are a lot of people like me who use situational, aesthetic, & sleeper builds depending on what they're doing. eg I'll do missions or kill weak NM's like Amikiri on my Ninja while wearing near full Arhat's+1, random accessories, & Oninohocho/Mamu+1. But when it's time for LS events, I was fully maxed out bar relic Katana & speed belt.(On both my main jobs)



That is very true, it may be misleading at times but keep in mind a few things. The armory is updated when you log out, not while you are playing (at least that is the way I remember it). Translating a WoW tool to FFXI is a bit difficult since in wow there is almost no need to change out of your best gear as, generally, your best gear works for everything you do while in FFXI you have certain sets of gear for certain tasks. However, there are times when this might happen in WoW, such as if you log out in your PvP set. People know it's your PvP set and they wont judge you on that, if you are being considered for a place in a raid you might get a tell asking what your gear is since you have your PvP set in the armory. I can see the same sort of thing happening with FFXIV (if it's like FFXI in this respect). Also, the armory doesn't record only gear. It shows your talent builds, your achievements, your arena score, what guild you are in, your reputations with various factions. Knowing all of these things shows a general perpective of what type of a player a person is. If I see a person in PvP gear asking for an Ulduar raid I might think he's just in his PvP gear but I also see he doesn't have any Naxx achievements (the first WotLK raid) so it's likely he doesn't have the gear to enter uldar. Anyway, it's a good tool but it can be abused like any tool.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 3:22pm by Yogtheterrible
#60 Jul 06 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Nerio wrote:
make fun of you in trade chat (same as /shout in ffxi )

And this will happen in ANY game not just WoW, just give some people the chance to be annoying and they will take it.

Trade isn't quite the same as /shout in FFXI. Trade is like /shout on steroids.

Trade is the biggest mistake Blizzard ever made. Make it so several thousand people have access to the same communication channel at the same time? You can guarantee that channel will attract the few dozen biggest jerks on the server, who will push out everyone else of the channel and dominate it with trolling.

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Only four places are safe on the official forums.

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The reason those four places are safe, is due to a very vigilant self moderation from the users, along with a stricter moderation policy implemented by Blizzard on those four forums.

Everything else is a 4chan clone.

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Unless it works different than how I think it does, it would be inaccurate. There are a lot of people like me who use situational, aesthetic, & sleeper builds depending on what they're doing. eg I'll do missions or kill weak NM's like Amikiri on my Ninja while wearing near full Arhat's+1, random accessories, & Oninohocho/Mamu+1. But when it's time for LS events, I was fully maxed out bar relic Katana & speed belt.(On both my main jobs)

Unless a person is trolling, most people are competent enough (even in WoW), to tell the difference between a main equipment set, and something that you wore for a specialized task.

When this happens, in general, a guild you are applying to will politely ask you to log out in your normal equipment. Or in the case of a party, the leader will ask you what your actual stats are.

If a person isn't intelligent enough to tell the difference between a normal gearset and an oddball set, there is probably a good chance that you don't want to group with them.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 6:43pm by Karelyn
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#61 Jul 06 2009 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Isn't that kind of dependent on how armor itemization and customization gets handled? If I can get my mitts on a halfway competent set of dyes, I'm pretty much scrapping the please-god-I-just-want-to-look-pretty-for-five-minutes set.

I know what you mean though,
with WoW's armory I've run into a few situations where logging out in my PvP gear lost me a spot in the raid and earned me some flak. They were few, mind you, like 3 times in the course of a year. But it's made me be largely on the fence about this topic.

On the one hand, people inherently understood this was armory's flaw, and more often than not worked around it. On the other hand my experience is with a playerbase that's the epitome of casual, a playerbase that's a casual-hardcore hybrid might react to an armory in ways I don't expect or particularly like.

Never, ever had forum trouble. I know I never armory'd someone to counteract their opinion of a forum, and I've also never seen it done. Although it's important to note I avoided the official forums like the plague it truly is, so I'm speaking of Alla's forum. People don't need background checks to refute something, we do just fine by typing.

One of the major benefits that hasn't been addressed is the ability to post your set-up on forums for feedback. You'll often see threads about folks asking for veterans to give them suggestions for upgrades, advice on how they can be working their enchants/gems, or sometimes just reassurance they're geared appropriately enough to tackle a particular event or boss mob.
#62 Jul 06 2009 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Karelyn wrote:
Unless a person is trolling, most people are competent enough (even in WoW), to tell the difference between a main equipment set, and something that you wore for a specialized task.

When this happens, in general, a guild you are applying to will politely ask you to log out in your normal equipment. Or in the case of a party, the leader will ask you what your actual stats are.

If a person isn't intelligent enough to tell the difference between a normal gearset and an oddball set, there is probably a good chance that you don't want to group with them.


Exactly right and much better than how I explained it in my last post.

Same with Zemzelette's post.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 3:52pm by Yogtheterrible
#63 Jul 06 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Default
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Unless a person is trolling, most people are competent enough (even in WoW), to tell the difference between a main equipment set, and something that you wore for a specialized task.


I'm not talking about specialized gear sets, just decent looking visible sets & whatever else I happened to have on me. Hope Torque, Pcharm, or Chiv Chain from a lower job... It's going on if I don't feel like moving gear for something minuscule. That goes for all slots unless I've cleared space for something in particular.
#64 Jul 06 2009 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Jobangles wrote:
I'm not talking about specialized gear sets, just decent looking visible sets & whatever else I happened to have on me. Hope Torque, Pcharm, or Chiv Chain from a lower job... It's going on if I don't feel like moving gear for something minuscule. That goes for all slots unless I've cleared space for something in particular.


Well, hopefully you won't have to worry about moving gear around on alts anymore and so the problem solves itself.
#65 Jul 06 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
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Didn't have alts, was just lazy. ...And I kind of like giving off the impression that I'm gimp as far as gear goes.
#66 Jul 06 2009 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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HA! You can't complain then if you like sending that impression to people. In fact, armory would let you do it en mass so I would think you would enjoy that.
#67 Jul 06 2009 at 3:27 PM Rating: Default
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It still seems useless to me.
#68 Jul 07 2009 at 2:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Trade isn't quite the same as /shout in FFXI. Trade is like /shout on steroids.


Even that may seem an understatement. At least when I left FFXI early this year, /shout never had hours upon hours of **** {Rampage} and similar like they do in trade from time to time. (WoW players would know what I meant)

Edited, Jul 7th 2009 6:57am by woooter
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woooter wrote:
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Trade isn't quite the same as /shout in FFXI. Trade is like /shout on steroids.

Even that may seem an understatement. At least when I left FFXI early this year, /shout never had hours upon hours of **** {Rampage} and similar like they do in trade from time to time. (WoW players would know what I meant)

If /shout was a universal channel that thousands of people had access to at the same time, I guarentee that FFXI players would be dealing with the same problem.

If there is one thing I hope MMO designers learn from WoW; don't give the trolls on a server a universal chat channel where they can congregate and harass the rest of the community.
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#70 Jul 07 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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woooter wrote:
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Trade isn't quite the same as /shout in FFXI. Trade is like /shout on steroids.


Even that may seem an understatement. At least when I left FFXI early this year, /shout never had hours upon hours of **** [Rampage] and similar like they do in trade from time to time. (WoW players would know what I meant)

FTFY


To be fair, when I left FFXI, people were still shouting the same (Mithra) (fun) (hole) (Please check it.) "jokes" that they were shouting when I started four years earlier. At least in WoW the lame joke spam changes with time.
#71 Jul 07 2009 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty neutral on the "Armory" idea. While it's neat to see what others are using, or how they've built their characters, or whatever, it doesn't really serve much of a purpose. I don't expect to see it, though.

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An idea that you propose on a subject you know nothing about will always have no merit.


Right. We are, as human beings, incapable of learning from observation or others' experience. I couldn't, for example, listen in on a kin group having trouble with an encounter (that I'd never been through) and make a viable suggestion to solve it. My lack of experience prevents any idea I could have from having any merit.

Direct experience makes it easier (sometimes way easier) to have a "good" idea, but it's not mandatory. Especially not in something as simple as a MMO boss fight.
#72 Jul 08 2009 at 1:36 AM Rating: Default
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And if you want to play FFXI, go play that.

This is a new game. It won't be WoW. It won't be EQII. It won't be EVE. It won't be FFXI. It won't be War.

It'll be FFXIV.


Well you are kinda wrong there. This is going to be a Final Fantasy numbered game. It WILL be a Final Fantasy. It WILL draw upon the last 2 years of FFXI (which SE seems to have treated like a testing ground for their next MMO).

It won't be EVE. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

But you would have to be insane if you think SE isn't counting on its loyal FFXI player base to give FFXIV the initial spark to let it succeed where games such as WAR and AOC failed.

I am sure that they want to recruit WoW players, but they are going to have to get their established playerbase onboard first so they don't wind up with only enough players to fill 4 servers. It is going to take more than just 'casual-friendly' gameplay to get the WoW community, and part of that is to get people playing on day one. And the other part is to not lose their players 3 months in like AoC.

SE is counting on the Final Fantasy playerbase to get this game off the ground, and hopefully get some of that blizzard money on the way.
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#73 Jul 08 2009 at 1:37 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, and the only reason the tanking forum is safe on the official WoW forums is because all of us use Tankspot.

Sorry, but it's true.
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#74 Jul 08 2009 at 3:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Its almost like every1 is forgetting that the skill of an player cant merely be judged by looking at his gear....
If u think u can judge player skill by looking at gear u are an Rtard... many many times in FFXI and in WoW have i seen people with good gear (gained because they are rich or because of their friends or w/e) whilst they really arent playing that good...
Here's an example i was RDM in FFXI and i pulled of Maat fight in 2 tries.. whilst i didnt really have very good gear yet cause i was pretty much broke in game at that time.. (first try i didnt get any info at all and just tried to find out how to beat him myself.. all went well untill asuran fists lol)
whilst at the same time ive heard of RDM's with better gear then me having to try 3 times or even more then that.
BTW Maat fight was pretty hard at that time for certain jobs especially for RDM.

So pretty much what im saying.. u cant know if a player is skilled by looking at their gear period.

Edited, Jul 8th 2009 7:15am by BaasP
#75 Jul 08 2009 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Maat for RDM is a little unpredictable, and will at times pull off a random rape fest or just roll over. A better determination of skill would be end game tanking as RDM, or soloing something like Zipacna without the zone DoT trick. Both require good gear.
#76 Jul 08 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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BaasP wrote:
Its almost like every1 is forgetting that the skill of an player cant merely be judged by looking at his gear....
If u think u can judge player skill by looking at gear u are an Rtard... many many times in FFXI and in WoW have i seen people with good gear (gained because they are rich or because of their friends or w/e) whilst they really arent playing that good...
Here's an example i was RDM in FFXI and i pulled of Maat fight in 2 tries.. whilst i didnt really have very good gear yet cause i was pretty much broke in game at that time.. (first try i didnt get any info at all and just tried to find out how to beat him myself.. all went well untill asuran fists lol)
whilst at the same time ive heard of RDM's with better gear then me having to try 3 times or even more then that.
BTW Maat fight was pretty hard at that time for certain jobs especially for RDM.

So pretty much what im saying.. u cant know if a player is skilled by looking at their gear period.

Edited, Jul 8th 2009 7:15am by BaasP


Yes, you can. You can tell how smart a player is by how they spend their talent points and which enchantments/gems they use in WoW. Same goes for FFXI. What gear a person chooses to wear can reflect on their intelligence. A Dark Knight running around in all DEX equipment at level 75 is a sure sign of a terrible player.

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#77 Jul 08 2009 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe, if it's made, FFXIVAH could improve and include player information, like job levels and such.
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#78 Jul 09 2009 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Your gear, job levels, mission progress, and like... everything... is already accessible online via the LS community site. You can even control your level of privacy.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 7:11am by ihatetaru
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#79 Jul 09 2009 at 3:05 AM Rating: Default
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... FFXI had tons of gear swaps... just how will u be able to judge skill by looking at a single set.. my inventory was swamped with gear for just my rdm.
Sure if you see a DRK with all DEX gear youd know he prolly aint a good player but youre pretty much giving an example that ive never seen before... also people who dont have good gears yet might be forced to use a piece of armor they wouldnt actually use if they had a better option.
As for your statement jobangles youre talking about fights that require good gear to pull off but that doesnt mean that the skill of one doing those fights is superior then some1 that doesnt have good gear yet.

The point is you cant judge skill by simply looking at gear... as ive stated some good gears are gained by having to spend lots of money or just by plain luck and since some of us have neither when it comes to games it doesnt mean they have no skill....
Maat might not have been the best example but even with him being unpredictable if u fought him the right way with skill youd be able to pull him off in 1 or 2 times.

Let me explain in a more simple matter: Lets say we have 2 lvl 75 jobs (doesnt matter which for this example)
1 with good gear and the other without.

If in someway there would be a way to instantly give all the good gears to the one who doesnt have them yet (for w/e reason) then it would come down to skill to which would be better and that could easily be the one who didnt have the good gear before.

Get the point? You cant judge skill by simply looking at gear period.
Sure you might come across people who are using gears that make you slap yourself in the face saying DOH however thats just one case and doesnt justify trying to measure skill by looking at gear all the time.

(Excuse me for my english btw.. i wish id be better at it so i would be able to get my point in more easily.. well i guess u can only expect so much for some1 who isnt english and hasnt had advanced classes right?)




Edited, Jul 9th 2009 7:10am by BaasP
#80 Jul 09 2009 at 4:15 AM Rating: Decent
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BaasP wrote:
Sure if you see a DRK with all DEX gear youd know he prolly aint a good player but youre pretty much giving an example that ive never seen before...

I've seen it before. More than once.
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#81 Jul 09 2009 at 4:30 AM Rating: Default
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Well i havent but nvm its quite obvious youre all just trying to ignore my points..
Its kind of irritating youre trying to find a point where u can say im wrong about but say nothing about my good points..

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 8:34am by BaasP
#82 Jul 09 2009 at 4:39 AM Rating: Default
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#83 Jul 09 2009 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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BaasP wrote:
Well i havent but nvm its quite obvious youre all just trying to ignore my points..
Its kind of irritating youre trying to find a point where u can say im wrong about but say nothing about my good points.

*shrug* I haven't seen you make a good point.

There is a level of common sense like I said. If a party leader cannot tell you are in a specialized gear set, there is a good chance that THEY just proved you don't want to party with them. Sometimes the party leader is the one who lacks intelligence. Let Darwinism do it's work as far as I'm concerned.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 8:43am by Karelyn
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#84 Jul 09 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Default
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I think you guys are quite ignorant if you think skill can be judged by merely looking at armor.. like ive already said if you provide good gears for some1 that doesnt have them yet so they have the same gear as some1 who was already well equipped, then i dont think it would be such a rare case that he might actually be a better and more skilled player then the 1 who according to you two was the more skilled player because he had better gear before.. so what do you two think what might be the reason for this??
Ill tell you.. its because the one who untill recently didnt have good gears was a more skillfull player then the person who was according to you two the more skillful player solely because you two looked at his gears and NOT his SKILLS.

i really really wished i knew better english so i could get through your thick skulls more easily.

EDIT: What you two are actually saying is that 2 players who have the exact same armor are evenly skilled... and this is by far the biggest nonsense ive ever heard period.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 9:02am by BaasP
#85 Jul 09 2009 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you guys are quite ignorant if you think skill can be judged by merely looking at armor

I think you are deliberately ignoring the fact that an Armory system would present more information than just armor.

And you are deliberately ignoring that armor can EASILY be used to judge a lack of skill. While armor in and of itself does not prove skill, it is very easy to use armor to prove a person's lack of skill, when you see someone wearing stuff that is clearing wrong and clearly not vanity armor.

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What you two are actually saying is that 2 players who have the exact same armor are evenly skilled... and this is by far the biggest nonsense ive ever heard period.

Nowhere has anyone said this.

You say you are not skilled with the English language. Have you considered that maybe you are having a hard time understanding what we are saying?

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 9:04am by Karelyn
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#86 Jul 09 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Then i think theres a been a miscommunication on my part i guess.. cause what ive been trying to say the whole time is that skill cant merely be judged by looking at gear cause it would mean that two persons who have the exact same armor are evenly skilled and this is not true.. and i pretty much tought you were disagreeing with me on that part.

I know you can guess the skill of a player by looking at his gear to a certain degree especially in some cases like the DEX geared DRK... all im saying is thats its not a waterproof way in alot of cases as ive stated some SKILLED players might not have been able to get the good gears for w/e reasons but this doesnt make them less skilled.

And i personally think what im saying here isnt a bad point at all, maybe because i didnt know how to explain myself and because i am not that skilled in english you found my points to be bad whilst i had been trying to say the above the whole time.



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Edited, Jul 9th 2009 12:03pm by BaasP
#87 Jul 09 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, you can. You can tell how smart a player is by how they spend their talent points and which enchantments/gems they use in WoW. Same goes for FFXI. What gear a person chooses to wear can reflect on their intelligence. A Dark Knight running around in all DEX equipment at level 75 is a sure sign of a terrible player.

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Different people have different playstyles, goals, and ideas for their character. Not everyone wants to be the mathematically maxed out DPS machine, but that doesn't mean they're bad at their class, or the game in general.

Now, your example of a DEX DRK is an example of an extreme. Maybe there's a BLM who stacks STR. You could know from looking at their gear that they're probably misinformed, but this really isn't the kind of situation that needs avoiding. STR BLM? Fine to be a little prejudiced against them. But what happens with the armory is that people who are skilled at their class, who build their character the best way they know how for the time they've played the game, are ignored. "Oh you're under hit cap" or "you only have 1600 spell power" or "that trinket is really old" or "you have a stam gem." It's the kind of nitpicking that makes people not able to customize their characters the way they want to. In wow you're forced (partly because of the armory) to follow the crowd. The current trend of talents and gear, you will follow it, or you won't get invites. This effectively limits your actually choices of talent/gear customization to very few. There is a strict implied rule system in wow pertaining to what you can and can't do with your character. And it's not all the fault of the armory, but the armory plays a role. I want to play a game where character customization is actually allowed within the community, and the armory does not promote that.
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"Oh you're under hit cap" or "you only have 1600 spell power" or "that trinket is really old" or "you have a stam gem." It's the kind of nitpicking that makes people not able to customize their characters the way they want to.


That's because it works differently in WoW than in FFXI, in terms of getting the best gear. In WoW, it's clearly Naxx > Ulduar > upcoming Argent Tournament gear, no ifs and buts. In addition, just get a hardcore raid group and you'll eventually get the Ulduar items, which are clear superior items for the most part against the Naxx items.

Not like FFXI. Relic weapons, Sky items, Dynamis pieces, King abjurations, Salvage drops, you really can't say for sure what IS the clear, defined superior item (ok most relics are clearly superior), and it can take some time researching which combination of pieces of equipment is the best for the slot. Also, like a piece of King Abjuration for example, it's a lot harder to obtain than a piece of Ulduar gear. Most of the time, a Haubergeon/+1 is expected at 75, but not Adaberk. Skadi hands are great ratk hands for RNG, but then you have S. Kote and CFG, which are racc-based and a racc/ratk glove respectively. Then there's the amount of time you can acquire these items. Sky and city Dynamis drops are not bad, but Salvage? Relics? See? The player standards of equipment is different.

And in WoW there's a hit cap that can be reached with gear. "Get 263 hit, and you won't miss!" In FFXI, AFAIK and correct me if I'm wrong since it's been 5 months since I played, the only extensively analyzed FFXI mob in terms of accuracy are 82-83 Greater Colibri, that we need x amount of accuracy to 95% (cap), and I think it's much harder to hit that cap against, say, a ****** off Byakko or Suzaku, and then there are HNMs like Genbu or a zerged Kirin that all you want to do is stack anything that increases damage period.

But you know, it's not like you can avoid some cookie cutters, we already have those in FFXI -without- an armory.

And the obnoxious nitpicking WoW players are just bigger jerks than the obnioxious FFXI players in general.






Edited, Jul 9th 2009 6:21pm by woooter

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 6:23pm by woooter
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