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#1 Jun 27 2009 at 3:02 AM Rating: Good
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Dark Age of Camelot done it in WAR with Pendragons Knott (a trophey your character could then wear).

Basically I want to see some kind of item, for those who have/had a FFXI account to use in FFXIV, like some kind of momento to remind us of those days. Be it a piece of Equipment (stats or not, I don't mind) or a piece of Furniture for our homes. (The Airship and the Clock were utterly marvelous!)
#2 Jun 27 2009 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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I think that's a great idea, and I'd even like them to base it on the job you played.

Perhaps the first job you reached 50 or 75 with, or some way to make it relevant to your favourite job.
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#3 Jun 27 2009 at 5:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I was hoping for something like this too, like a tabard that we could wear signifying our old allegiance to FFXI.

It would be nice to have a visual indication of who came from XI and who is brand new players.
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I was hoping for something like this too, like a tabard that we could wear signifying our old allegiance to FFXI.

It would be nice to have a visual indication of who came from XI and who is brand new players.


Yes, that way we can shun those who didn't!
#5 Jun 27 2009 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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How about if you gear yourself up with whatever gear you want, and in FFXIV you get a furnishing which is a statue of your character to put in your new moghouse (or equivalent). Kind of like the mog lottery statues, but you get to dress it in the gear you worked so hard for, on whichever job you favor.

Perhaps even with the ability to position it- I would love to have mine be in my Monk gear, in combat stance.
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#6 Jun 27 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Its an awesome idea, would be really nice if they did, I dunno if they would have stat gear as the item though as people who never played would probably say its unfair.
#7 Jun 27 2009 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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They will not be doing this. FFXIV will be a brand new game, so in this case people from FFXI will not be rewarded in FFXIV just because they played XI.

Why does everyone that played/is playing FFXI expect some cool reward once they hop on FFXIV? That's like me asking to get a free t shirt and cool in game item for 13 because I played 1-12.

I think we're getting way too ahead of ourselves here.
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#8 Jun 27 2009 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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They will not be doing this. FFXIV will be a brand new game, so in this case people from FFXI will not be rewarded in FFXIV just because they played XI.

Why does everyone that played/is playing FFXI expect some cool reward once they hop on FFXIV? That's like me asking to get a free t shirt and cool in game item for 13 because I played 1-12.

I think we're getting way too ahead of ourselves here.


I think you're reading to much into what we're expecting. I want it to be nothing more than a momento of the game that got me hooked in the first place.

My BF refered a friend and got two pieces of ace furniture as a reward. I wanted it, but I didn't immediately run off whinning on the boards about how it was unfair for him to have that. The way I see it and as it was meant to be, he helped SE pull in more custom and that what his reward.

We have/had played FFXI for many years and that games sucess lead to FFXIV. I see no reason why those people being 'thanked' for that support is unfair or unrealistic.
#9 Jun 27 2009 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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What about those of us who gave our accounts to friends (not sold to RMT, but then again you couldn't prove that either)? What about those who deleted their accounts... etc...

I wouldn't mind an item, especially a non-stat type thanking me for my 3+ years of playing since PC NA release... I just can't help but think about all the "woe is me, where's my stuff" posts it would cause for the above situations.
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#10 Jun 27 2009 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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What about those of us who gave our accounts to friends (not sold to RMT, but then again you couldn't prove that either)? What about those who deleted their accounts... etc...

I wouldn't mind an item, especially a non-stat type thanking me for my 3+ years of playing since PC NA release... I just can't help but think about all the "woe is me, where's my stuff" posts it would cause for the above situations.


If you gave your account away then the exculsive item would be tied in with those account details. I hope you have a generous friend to get it back.

And WAR has already done something along these lines and they managed it very well. It's not as complex as you think. All you need do is prove you were a FFXI account holder (User name/password) at some point and the exclusive is activated on your account or mailed to you.
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Yeah sounds like a good idea. Another thing that would be cool is an annual reward item. An item that rewards users for playing every year. I'm not talking about just an anniversary ring type item either.

I'm not sure if any of you ever played Ultima Online but they had a system that for every year you played you got a Rare Exclusive item. And for every year you played the items got better and you could receive one more, EX. Year one you pick one item from a list, Year two you pick one item from a new better list and one item from the year one list, etc.

The items ranged from weapons and gear to special statues that turned into awesome mounts when you used them, like your own personal mount, similar to the chocobo whistle but without the charges and needing to recharge. It would be a nice way to appreciate the customers and players who play for so long
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#12 Jun 27 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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It'd be cool to keep stuff like Tamas Ring and Glory crown, but obviously reduce their functionality to nothing, just a sentimental keep safe really.
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#13 Jun 27 2009 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's a bad idea as it would increase the animosity that already exists between the two groups.
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I think it's a bad idea as it would increase the animosity that already exists between the two groups.


This is what I think too. But the other thing is, since SE deletes your characters after a while people like me who played a long time ago probably lost those characters. I had three separate characters over 50, and I didn't keep any of them, but I worked just as hard, if not harder, on them.

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This is what I think too. But the other thing is, since SE deletes your characters after a while people like me who played a long time ago probably lost those characters. I had three separate characters over 50, and I didn't keep any of them, but I worked just as hard, if not harder, on them.


But what you have to remember is that the username and password you used are relative only to yourself.

My BF didn't need an active subscription to Dark Age to get the unique item, he simply had to prove that was his account and he was given a code for it to become active on his account on WAR. And as for animosity between the two groups - those that did play and those that didn't...so what? It's not like this item is going to be useful in anyway. If anything its simply a MOMENTO OF FFXI.

I had to use caps cos I think people reading the idea expect some kind of fantastic trophey we can show off or a piece of Equipment that will give us some massive advantage. That's not what I want at all.
#16 Jun 27 2009 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
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[quote]And as for animosity between the two groups - those that did play and those that didn't...so what? It's not like this item is going to be useful in anyway. If anything its simply a MOMENTO OF FFXI.

I had to use caps cos I think people reading the idea expect some kind of fantastic trophey we can show off or a piece of Equipment that will give us some massive advantage. That's not what I want at all.


I know we aren't talking about anything that is anything special, I played WAR and have received this very same trophy we are discussing. What I am talking about is one group of people not liking the other group simply because they don't have that useless trophy. We can see in the forum there is a huge rift between some FFXI players and those who haven't played FFXI, like other MMOs better, or have simply stopped playing FFXI and if you bring in an element like a trophy, however useless, for having played FFXI your are taking that rift from the forum into the game itself. It can very well segregate the two player groups. It's somewhat similar to the star of jordan being placed on the Jewish people in WWII, except instead of being ostracized it those who where it could become a sort of click where people with the trophy only group with others with a trophy.

I'm not saying this would definately happen but it's a possibility and I personally think it would just be smarter to avoid this sort of segregation as much as you can.
#17 Jun 27 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Then...the forum and game must attract a lot of children because I saw no so animosity between the people who played DAoC and those who did not in WAR. I respect your opinion but to compare a tifle keep sake to the holcaust is a bit stupid.
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Two totally different MMORPGs, FFXI, and FFXIV.

Therefor, I don't think you'll be rewarded in XIV just because you played XI. Sounds just like the idea that everyone that played FFXI should have first dibs on Beta testing XIV, >.<.

Why?
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#19 Jun 27 2009 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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WHo mentioned anything about a beta? You people really need to grow up.

DAoC and WAR are two entirely different games, but it still happened there, its just pretty clear to me the WAR player is far more mature than the average 'future' FFXIV player.

Let me tell you something else that happened. They held a Fan fiction competition that I happened to win and I won an exclusive in-game item along with five other people on the European servers. Was a Skaven Cloak. It's that kind of customer relations MMO staff need to have these days. It was sweet and it was considerate.
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I am pretty sure SE will give FFXI players something. Four questions in the initial interview dealt with FFXI player migration to FFXIV. I am sure they will sweeten the pot. Does anyone doubt that SE would like to have everyone playing FFXIV?
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#21 Jun 27 2009 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
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FFXI =/= FFXIV. It's like giving a trophy/item to a new player starting in WoW for playing FFXI.
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FFXI =/= FFXIV. It's like giving a trophy/item to a new player starting in WoW for playing FFXI.


This +1!

This is exactly the point I've been trying to make this whole time..
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#23 Jun 27 2009 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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Then...the forum and game must attract a lot of children because I saw no so animosity between the people who played DAoC and those who did not in WAR. I respect your opinion but to compare a tifle keep sake to the holcaust is a bit stupid.


Did I say there would automatically be animosity in FFXIV? No, I said there could be. You give a flawed comparison as well. There was no animosity centered around DAoC to begin with so why would there be in the game? There is already great contempt from a portion of the FFXI populace towards those who don't play creating that same difference in the game risks the possibility of transfering that contempt to FFXIV.

I also did not compare a trinket to the holocaust nor did I mention it at all as the holocaust was the genocide of Jews, not the segregation of them. I simply gave the only example, I could think of, of a group people who were given an object to set themselves apart from others. I also gave an explanation to the differences between the two situations.

Please, do not put words into my mouth, especially if you intend to call me stupid for them.

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#24 Jun 27 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXI =/= FFXIV. It's like giving a trophy/item to a new player starting in WoW for playing FFXI.


This +1!

This is exactly the point I've been trying to make this whole time..


You are missing the point.

Mythic made both DAoC and WAR. They wanted to reward those who play their games so gave the trinket in WAR to those who have accounts in DAoC. It has nothing to do with the relation of the games.
#25 Jun 27 2009 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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i do want a memento too for paying and playing for 5 years. i think i do deserve something for playing their game soo long even if its just a poster for my "mog house". See it as moving from Square-Enix MMO to another Square-Enix MMO, rather then a mere game to another game. I could totaly see them give us something, even tho you like it or not.

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#26 Jun 27 2009 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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i do want a memento too for paying and playing for 5 years. i think i do deserve something for playing their game soo long even if its just a poster for my "mog house".


Why? You have your memories of the game and your friends from the game. All a special item will do will let people think "I have this and other people don't", a mindset that's far too common in XI as it is. Why bring that to the new game?
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i do want a memento too for paying and playing for 5 years. i think i do deserve something for playing their game soo long even if its just a poster for my "mog house". See it as moving from Square-Enix MMO to another Square-Enix MMO, rather then a mere game to another game. I could totaly see them give us something, even tho you like it or not.


Don't you kind of get those items in the game now when you play FFXI? I would think that's what all those annual fan festivals are for, to reward their players for sticking around. Wasn't there just a lottery recently?

And if you decide to pick up FFXIV, that's on you. If you've read the interviews you would have read that the Producer would like fans of the Final Fantasy series to play both XI and XIV. I mean, I could understand if they were shutting down the XI server the day of XIV's release, but you still have the option to continue playing the "old" game. I just think the idea is silly, and I've played the game for four years.

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#28 Jun 27 2009 at 6:58 PM Rating: Default
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I don't think that will ever happen. That sort of thing that fit very well in a Collector's Edition boxset.
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#29 Jun 27 2009 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I was hoping for something like this too, like a tabard that we could wear signifying our old allegiance to FFXI.

It would be nice to have a visual indication of who came from XI and who is brand new players.



Yes, that way we can shun those who didn't!

that's kinda what i'd feel would end up happening with the community the first few weeks/months. at best, just have some some of keepsake in the moghouse or something, idk.
#30Skeptic, Posted: Jun 27 2009 at 7:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In that case, SE better give me something for picking up XIII since I played 1-12. It would only be right. Maybe a huge Bahamut statue for my REAL house.
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In that case, SE better give me something for picking up XIII since I played 1-12. It would only be right. Maybe a huge Bahamut statue for my REAL house.

It's not as if offline single player games have never rewarded people for playing earlier titles in the series (one that comes to mind is Golden Sun which provided a code at the end of the first game to input at the beginning of the second).

But just because they are different games does not mean SE can't reward it's subscribers for subscribing to their previous online game. Many MMOs give players rewards for having played previous titles (no need to name any since a few have already been named).

As for the argument that it would create a kind of "divide" between the playerbases. Well that is firstly based on the assumption that there is a divide to begin with. There may be one on this forum (I'm not really sure of that but people are saying there is so I'll just assume it's true for the purpose of this argument) but this forum in no way resembles the entirety of the FFXI playerbase.

Whether people disagree or not, I would like to have some kind of reward (be it a title/equipment piece/furniture/anything) for having played FFXI for as long as I did.

Oh yeah also I "LOL" at this:
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Yeah because Blizzard totally developed both games and wants to reward it's previous subscribers.
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Did I say there would automatically be animosity in FFXI? No, I said there could be. You give a flawed comparison as well. There was no animosity centered around DAoC to begin with so why would there be in the game? There is already great contempt from a portion of the FFXI populace towards those who don't play creating that same difference in the game risks the possibility of transfering that contempt to FFXIV.


I also never said there was Animosity in FFXI - it was you who brought this whole 'animosity' thing to light by mentioning people who haven't played FFXI hate those who have. You just did it again. I just called those who would act in such a way over something as small as this are children and need to grow up. Or do you disagree?

As an aside I don't think the poor Jews wanted to be put on show which ultimately led to thousands of them being massacred simply for being who they were. Your comparrison was embarrassingly flawed considering the **** they were put through for no reason at all. I'd also like to point out that the guy responsible for that is now dead and was the most wanted man on the planet at the time but then he done something BAD. Giving **** away is generally a GOOD thing. Unless its poison or a bullet. So unless you consider this trivial keep sake will be the fundimental trigger in WWIII I can't see anything wrong at all with them doing this.

I can though see a lot of whinny people who have given away (sold) accounts to other people bombarding the FFXIV customer service team with excuses.

No one needs to have an active subscription. You could have a FREE DAoC subscription (as in NOT PAY A PENNY for the trial time) and still get the item. Blizzard have done this with their Diablo series. Those with Diablo II can put forward their submittion request for the Beta of Diablo III last I heard.

So if companies like Blizzard and Mythic are now adopting this 'reward' system to the players who stick with a series, why not SE?


#34 Jun 28 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Decent
I was thinking about having a competition in FFXI to get a version of your old FFXI char made into an npc in FFXIV or have maybe just the name used for one of the storyline characters or maybe your ls name used in the story somehow.
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#35 Jun 30 2009 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, if you have the security key you already have the login information for FFXIV, so the account is automatically linked, yes? The "reward" for getting the key is a mog satchel in FFXI so there is a history of SE giving out a reward in that manner, and as the key can (most likely) be used in FFXIV then there is no issue, FFXI is already linked.

Personally, I want to take my mithra mannequin with me, but a nice piece of furniture for the FFXIV mog house (maybe an airship, the shadowlord?) that won't take up storage space, or give storage space, but is just a momento of FFXI, which would remind us of FFXI and make us reactivate every now and then, just to see whats going on....

Odds are it'll be a piece of armour with "I played FFXI for 7 years and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" on it :D
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#36Skeptic, Posted: Jun 30 2009 at 11:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't think an item will be given to FFXIV players just because they played XI. =/
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I know why you got your name then, Skeptic.

It's happened in the past and there's nothing to stop it happening now :D I have my fingers crossed!
#39 Jul 04 2009 at 3:25 AM Rating: Default
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A similar subject came up when FFXIV was announced, what was it... oh yeah character tranfers, half of Alla posters had a ridiculous thought that this would be the case for some wacky reason, I expect it's the same for this.
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How about if you gear yourself up with whatever gear you want, and in FFXIV you get a furnishing which is a statue of your character to put in your new moghouse (or equivalent). Kind of like the mog lottery statues, but you get to dress it in the gear you worked so hard for, on whichever job you favor.

Perhaps even with the ability to position it- I would love to have mine be in my Monk gear, in combat stance.


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Hate the idea for 2 reasons.

1. SE is already working on a system to allow people to transfer names from FFXI. That is already nearing too much interconnectedness for my tastes.

2. Because while I played FFXI for over 4 years, I left for quite a while after the 3rd year (coming back later for the 4th cumulative one). I had two different accounts, because the first one was apparently lost (I couldn't even retrieve it on the phone with SE).

And, because of time constraints during that last year, I didn't get a new char that high. I spent most of my time fishing and crafting.

So, unless it really is a "had an account that paid at least one monthly subscription" item, I won't be getting it. >.< I won't be making ANY level cap requirement.
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#42 Jul 04 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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So, unless it really is a "had an account that paid at least one monthly subscription" item, I won't be getting it. >.< I won't be making ANY level cap requirement.


There has never been a mention of a level cap which would entitle you to this item, should SE follow the examples of Mythic and Blizzard. I think I also mentioned that people who never even paid for Dark Age Of Camelot where still able to claim the free item in WAR...

So not sure why you would even assume such a thing to be honest. And I think people are expecting to much of this idea. It wont be some awsome Dummy in the pose of your choice. It certainly wont be anything that gives you a perticular edge and it won't be something that will be missed by the new people coming in the FF MMO for the first time either.

It will be a Rare/Ex kinda deal, understated but something personal to those who played FFXI. If I worked on FFXIV I would make it out to be something like...

A Crystal.

A Chocobo or Moogle Plushie, also for display.

A Shadow Lord Action Figure.

All would simply be on display in the Player Housing (if there is any at release) or on the equipment of the Player, like the WAR trophey system.
#43 Jul 04 2009 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
im pretty sure they said players were going to be able to transfer their friends list from ffxi over to ffxiv. they could probably give you a little present while doing it kinda like a world pass but nothing like it. just a suggestion xD
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#44 Jul 05 2009 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Not sure how they would transfer the friends list over since FFXI use POL and its already been said that FFXIV will not use that system.
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Not sure how they would transfer the friends list over since FFXI use POL and its already been said that FFXIV will not use that system.


[12:28] "Also, FFXIV will not be using the PlayOnline system. However, the friends list will be transferred over to the FFXIV system."

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210518/square-enix-considering-ffxiv-online-for-microsoft-hardware
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Yes, that way we can shun those who didn't!


This, and what Yog has been arguing. I'm not 100% against the idea, but if it is something that everyone can see (and is big and flashy like a strobing neon "I'M SO AWESOME" hat), it is going to contribute towards a sense of elitism that is already quite obviously in place in the community. You don't have to browse these forums for very long to see it, either. Just look at the sheer number of posts about how WoW players are mouth breathers and how SquareEnix would be "dumbing the game down for those stupid casuals" if they made the game more accessible in one way or another. There's already going to be LSs full of FFXI players complaining about how everything that's wrong with FFXIV is because of WoW/casual players and SE "dumbing the game down" for them.

But I also don't think it's as huge a deal as all that sounds, anyway. People like that will be gunning for non-FFXI players with or without their flashy hats. The actual idea of a little memento is kind of adorable, all that aside, and it's not actually that hard of a thing to pull off.
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[12:28] "Also, FFXIV will not be using the PlayOnline system. However, the friends list will be transferred over to the FFXIV system."

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210518/square-enix-considering-ffxiv-online-for-microsoft-hardware


To me that sounds far more complicated a task than adding a FFXI keep sake. There's a lot to even consider since the friend list is connected with the account on POL. Its a good idea, I just can't get my head around it. And all that's even assuming the people who are on your FL go into FFXIV and on the same server... I guess that proves if they're doing this, we'll be able to pick our own servers since they obviously don't want friends to be seperated :D

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I read that quote again from the conference and I don't think it means individual friends for every account will be moved over to your FFXIV account. That's such a momoth task. I'm understanding that to say - they will be using the same KIND of friends list system as was used on POL. That's just my interpritation, I could be wrong. But this wouldn't be the first time something has gotten lost in translation...

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To me that sounds far more complicated a task than adding a FFXI keep sake. There's a lot to even consider since the friend list is connected with the account on POL. Its a good idea, I just can't get my head around it. And all that's even assuming the people who are on your FL go into FFXIV and on the same server... I guess that proves if they're doing this, we'll be able to pick our own servers since they obviously don't want friends to be seperated :D


SE said they are working on a way for XI players to transfer their character names to the new service.

Because of this, I assume there is going to be some kind of system in POL that will send your XI data to the new service, reserving your character names on a server of your choice before launch (and after, but you may not be able to get your names that way). Your friends list will be included.

So, then, any of your friends that also do this will automatically be added to your list in XIV.
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#49 Jul 05 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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I suggest a level 1 version of Maat's cap for everybody XD !

But seriously a name transfer is already a big present to those that have played FFXI in my opinion.
I dont see the need to give a special item but something like a Doll set of the Ark warriors from Zillart to keep in "Mog House" would be cool :P
#50 Jul 05 2009 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know about this.

I think a lot of people who decide to play FFXIV will be fans of the franchise that couldn't get into FFXI.

I think we need to stop making the assumption that the our community is going to be the only community on FFXIV, and that this is just some sort of migration.

Honestly, this idea for a unique item reward just seems like another desperate plea from former advocators of a character transfer.
People who just can't tear themselves away from their virtual accomplishments on FFXI and feel that they deserve some sort of advantage if they start playing something new.

The idea is really not a very good one.
I agree that after all these years, a lot of FFXI players have become extremely elitist.
Unfortunately, giving us exclusive items (even if it isn't a giant sign that reads 'FFXI VET') is only going to encourage such people to feel that they are 'better' on FFXIV.

Through levelling all of the jobs, the mathematics, reading into the Vana'diel storylines and bosses, making the best equipment builds possible, we've definitely got a lot of experienced players around here, after all these years.
I think these people can get off their high horses, though, and just enjoy the game if they want to play FFXIV.
Even if they are afraid to become one of the noobs that they sometimes mock.

All of that being said, I wouldn't be opposed to something extremely subtle.
If we have a personal space like the Mog House in FFXIV, a national flag from Vana'diel might be suitable. I think that was suggested in another thread.

I won't support anything more.

They're neat items, but I know that I hate seeing people run around with exclusive bonus items on FFXI because they either bought something or attended some sort of event.

I'm still in school, and I surely can't attend some convention across the country (or in another country, for that matter).

I also don't have the money to buy strange jewelry that I will certainly never wear...

Maybe it's stupid, but it does irk me to see other players with their Moogle Caps that I will never have.

Obviously, in this case, I would be getting the item, should FFXI players receive a bonus of some sort.

But I don't see that as being fair to future FFXIV players who weren't into XI as it definitely isn't for everyone.

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I like the idea of something to go into your mog house or whatever we'll have. It can have some sort of funky enhancement that's related to FFXI in some way.

And to clarify a couple things:

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I also never said there was Animosity in FFXI


First of all I mistyped...I meant FFXIV. But you were implying that I had said there would be animosity in FFXIV which isn't true. I only said there could be. Which is why I responded by saying I never said there definitely would be.

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- it was you who brought this whole 'animosity' thing to light by mentioning people who haven't played FFXI hate those who have. You just did it again. I just called those who would act in such a way over something as small as this are children and need to grow up. Or do you disagree?


You switched those around. People who haven't played FFXI couldn't care less about those who do. It's a number of those who currently play FFXI who hate those who don't. And yes, they do need to grow up but the fact remains that the animosity is there.

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As an aside I don't think the poor Jews wanted to be put on show which ultimately led to thousands of them being massacred simply for being who they were. Your comparrison was embarrassingly flawed considering the **** they were put through for no reason at all. I'd also like to point out that the guy responsible for that is now dead and was the most wanted man on the planet at the time but then he done something BAD. Giving sh*t away is generally a GOOD thing. Unless its poison or a bullet. So unless you consider this trivial keep sake will be the fundimental trigger in WWIII I can't see anything wrong at all with them doing this.


You must not have read what I said. I gave it as an example, not a comparison. I very clearly stated the differences between the two and the reason why I used it as an example...I'm not going to go over it again and again trying to make you understand as you obviously don't want to.

As for the rest of your post I already made my case clear. I wont bother arguing it again.
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