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#1 Jun 29 2009 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
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Wow is too easy.. at least when you think of having a one character type of gameplay like FFXI supports.

I think most of us want to keep the job-switching mechanisms from FFXI, and most of us are happy that community and real world reputation plays a factor in how people percieve your character. FFXI was unlike almost every other MMO in that you gained the most benefit by picking one character and playing it, whereas many other MMOs require you to switch between completely different characters (and thus online identities) in order to play in a different role.

Given that: WoW and its system of constant patching and abandoning older content for newer content would simply make the game unplayable if you were able to swap classes with the same character. It would be so easy and repetitive that one would quickly tire of the game playing through it with 'merits' and already earned equipment.

It is simply put: too easy of a game to have the option of swapping classes/jobs.

I personally like having just ONE main character in a Final Fantasy MMO, that gives me a feeling that my avatar is truly a part of the gameworld, and not just a throwaway alt that I bring out in certain situations.

I LIKE having my actions actually build up a reputation for myself (either bad or good) because I can't just run away to another alt every time I ninja an item or raise some newbie. Longtime FFXI players know what I mean, any other MMO player doesn't.

So before we start saying 'Hey, I like this idea from WOW', or 'WoW did blahblahblah better', or 'Man I wish I had XXX from XXMMO'.... please remember that there was nothing as unique as the single character system that FFXI created.
And alot of systems from other MMOs would simply be crap if they provided for a single character that could serve as your avatar throughout years of gameplay.

Edited, Jun 29th 2009 11:43pm by Wordaen
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#2 Jun 29 2009 at 12:46 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, and WoW is too easy in many other ways too. Just wanted to post the way I thought would break a FF game first.
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#3muppenz, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 1:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think wow is too hard.
#4 Jun 29 2009 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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WoW IS too easy and simple for most XI players, but this thread is just asking for a flamewar for something that didn't really need to get brought up again.

The OP has some bits of truth in there, surrounded by a healthy layer of trolling and logical fallacies.

Let's not feed him, please.




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Why does WOW get so much run on a FFXIV forum?
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#6 Jun 29 2009 at 2:22 AM Rating: Good
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Shazaamemt wrote:
Wow is too easy...

Spoken like a person who has never done WoW's endgame raiding.

Is leveling too easy in WoW? **** yes.
Does Blizzard eventually nerf content into the ground in the hopes of everyone seeing it? Yes.

But when 0.2% (or less!) of your playerbase actually manages to kill a boss in it's original un-nerfed form, that is not what would typically be called "easy"

EDIT: It's worthy to remember that a ridiculously large portion of development time is spent on raids; this is what Blizzard considers to be the meat of their game. At least level criticism where criticism is due.

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Karelyn wrote:
Shazaamemt wrote:
Wow is too easy...

Spoken like a person who has never done WoW's endgame raiding.

Is leveling too easy in WoW? **** yes.
Does Blizzard eventually nerf content into the ground in the hopes of everyone seeing it? Yes.

But when 0.2% (or less!) of your playerbase actually manages to kill a boss in it's original un-nerfed form, that is not what would typically be called "easy"


Probably should be noted here:

A) The other 99.98% are too used to soloing and being coddled so when they get to a slight challenge they give up and re-roll or wait till its nerfed.

B) Not everyone loves endgame. In fact many people hate endgame and the drama it brings.

C) Those .2% are probably hardcore ex-FFXI players.

D) This topic is stupid and troll-bait. Allakhazam is a large forum for many MMOS. Just coming here and talking trash on one of them is just asking for it, specially when it has nothing to do with FFXIV.
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#9 Jun 29 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Getting a balanced party to do merits/levels/missions is not difficulty. While I agree in general FFXI does require some more thought than WoW, its certainly not some sort of universe bending mental problem.

1-80 is a mindless grind.
1-75 is a mindless grind.

Only difference is, in one game you need a party ;)
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Seriously though. Having 1 character able to switch between jobs not only makes you feel part of the world since that character is YOU in the game. Not the "Nice me" toon ot the "PK'r me" toon or the "******** me" toon. So you better be on your best behavior or you'll end up with a bad rep, or maybe thats what you're going for and you'll be infamous!

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#11 Jun 29 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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This Thread Fails because it's about a game that this Forum wasn't even built for.

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#12 Jun 29 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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B) Not everyone loves endgame. In fact many people hate endgame and the drama it brings.

WoW is a raiding game. I never understand why people play it and then complain about raiding. That's like playing a first person shooter and saying you don't like guns.

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C) Those .2% are probably hardcore ex-FFXI players.

Try Everquest; the world doesn't revolve around FFXI. But the population has developed plenty of new folks where WoW was their first MMO.

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93% of internet statistics and percentages are purely made up.

Thank goodness we have statistics from Blizzard themselves (Not unlike the FFXI census that is put out every year), and several 3rd party sources that use the Armory (which is conviently supplied by Blizzard) to tell how many people have actually cleared raid content in WoW!

Apparently, this is one of those 7% of statistics that isn't made up.

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While I agree in general FFXI does require some more thought than WoW, its certainly not some sort of universe bending mental problem.

WoW is definitely not a thinking game like FFXI. It's closer to a twitch game. Raiding in WoW is much closer to traditional action games that have existed on consoles for generations, than it is to an RPG.

It is two very different types of games, it's silly to compare them. One is a thinking game, the other is a quick reflexes game.


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Karelyn wrote:
WoW is definitely not a thinking game like FFXI. It's closer to a twitch game. Raiding in WoW is much closer to traditional action games that have existed on consoles for generations, than it is to an RPG.

No... WoW raiding is far more involved and tactic oriented than FFXI. The raid content in WoW is the most interesting you will find in any MMORPG.
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Karelyn wrote:
WoW is definitely not a thinking game like FFXI. It's closer to a twitch game. Raiding in WoW is much closer to traditional action games that have existed on consoles for generations, than it is to an RPG.

No... WoW raiding is far more involved and tactic oriented than FFXI. The raid content in WoW is the most interesting you will find in any MMORPG.

I'd be inclined to agree with you, but once again, these tactics are more reminiscent of a action game, than they are of an RPG. The tactics typically involve quickly moving around, avoiding attacks, and applying heavy pressure on the boss. Those are traits of action games.

RPGs on the other hand, tactics typically revolve around what abilities you use.

In WoW, there generally isn't that much strategy involved in the abilities you use, though some classes do have abilities that take teamwork, but even then, they are often straightforward. "Hunters misdirect and rogues tricks of the trade onto the new tank when the tanks switch

Or for a specific example... Yay Kel'thuzad... "Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, interrupt his 0.5 second cast that he uses every 1-3 seconds or the tank dies" -_-; Yummy boss fight... Ugh, I never liked him. At least he's easy now compared to Vanilla. I still hate him though.

Tactical? Yes. Deep thinking? No. It's much more of an issue of quick reflexes than it is deep strategy. Using the correct pre-planned ability within the 1-3 second window that you need to use it, or the raid wipes.

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Karelyn wrote:
I'd be inclined to agree with you, but once again, these tactics are more reminiscent of a action game, than they are of an RPG. The tactics typically involve quickly moving around, avoiding attacks, and applying heavy pressure on the boss. Those are traits of action games.

RPGs on the other hand, tactics typically revolve around what abilities you use.

There's both. WoW raiding has everything that FFXI raiding has in addition to the tactical elements FFXI lacks.

WoW also has a far more complex class relationship structure with all their interrelating party buffs.
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In WoW, there generally isn't that much strategy involved in the abilities you use, though some classes do have abilities that take teamwork, but even then, they are often straightforward. "Hunters misdirect and rogues tricks of the trade onto the new tank when the tanks switch

If you want to simplify it down to that, sure. The issue is that there is even less strategy involved in FFXI raids.

Aurelius would be able to argue this better than I, but it's a joke to assert that FFXI raiding is more strategic or difficult (outside of just gear checks) than WoW.

Edited, Jun 29th 2009 12:45pm by Allegory
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WoW also has a far more complex class relationship structure with all their interrelating party buffs.

This one I'll disagree with you on. Buffs in WoW, for the most part, are "Set it and forget it." Not exactly one of the high points in that game.

Support Classes in FFXI are a much better execution of a buff system.
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This one I'll disagree with you on. Buffs in WoW, for the most part, are "Set it and forget it." Not exactly one of the high points in that game.

You're not understanding. I mean which party does the enhancement shaman go in? It's a complex question. Optimizing a DPS or tanking group in FFXI is rather trivial.

For example. For feral cat druids gearing armor penetration is somewhat tricky. Armor penetration varies better than linear with the amount of ArP they have, up till the hard cap. Below a certain point agility is better to get than Ar, but once you can get about 200 ArP, ArP become the better stats and all druids swap out. However they need to be careful how much ArP they get before they hit the cap. People who can reduce armor like warriors with sunder or rogues with expose armor change this and throw off party composition.

Here's a simple guide explaining rotation and itemization for druids. Even the basic druid rotation of abilities is far more complex than almost any rotation in FFXI.
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..are we still talking about WoW on a FFXIV Forum?

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..are we still talking about WoW on a FFXIV Forum?

Yes, because apparently there are still posters who have some weird sort of inferiority complex when it comes to WoW. It's better for the forum to grow out of it sooner rather than later.
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Allegory wrote:
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This one I'll disagree with you on. Buffs in WoW, for the most part, are "Set it and forget it." Not exactly one of the high points in that game.

You're not understanding. I mean which party does the enhancement shaman go in? It's a complex question.

Not anymore. All buffs are raidwide in WoW, and have been for quite a little while now. The closest thing nowadays to worrying about party placement, is putting the tanks in the same group so it is easy for the healers to heal them.

EDIT: I'm well aware of itemization for feral druids. I am very knowledgeable of warriors, and also specialize in druid and priest mechanics, as well as all four tanks. I generally dabble in theorycraft for every class though. Math is my favorite part of WoW.

EDIT EDIT: Side note, I'm a fairly major contributor at ElitistJerks and TankSpot, and have several well known guides used by the WoW community. I love it when someone on my server references some guide they were reading online, and it turns out to be one of mine. Brings a big smile to my face.

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Karelyn wrote:
Not anymore.

Yes, but before that it was a rather complex task to optimize a party.
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I'm well aware of itemization for feral druids. I am very knowledgeable of warriors, and also specialize in druid and priest mechanics, as well as all four tanks.

Then why would you claim that there is more deep thinking in FFXI when the basic druid rotation beats the pants off any comparable melee choice making in FFXI?

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Then why would you claim that there is more deep thinking in FFXI when the basic druid rotation beats the pants off any comparable melee choice making in FFXI?

<.<;

lolmeleeinFFXI... Remind me of the good old Shadowbolt Warlocks. I miss those guys... You could replace the player with a Dippy Drinky Bird, and improve their efficiency by at least 10%!
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The thing with WoW is it IS an easy game...if you just go with the flow, follow the path of least resistance. You can make the game as challenging as you want it to be.
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The difference is apparently that WoW is all about end game Raiding and PvP whereas FFXI is a more complete game. They may as well just start you at max level in WoW, since the leveling is so trivial that it's more of an inconvenience keeping you from the meat of the game.

In FFXI I've done almost no end-game content, yet I've been enjoying the game for years. What percentage of people actually enjoy raiding? An MMO needs more than that to keep people interested for long periods of time.
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The difference is apparently that WoW is all about end game Raiding and PvP whereas FFXI is a more complete game. They may as well just start you at max level in WoW, since the leveling is so trivial that it's more of an inconvenience keeping you from the meat of the game.

In FFXI I've done almost no end-game content, yet I've been enjoying the game for years. What percentage of people actually enjoy raiding? An MMO needs more than that to keep people interested for long periods of time.


Very well said. To me, there has always been more things you can actually do in FFXI, which is why I liked it more. I didn't even play the full 2 Week trial of WoW, I played it for 2 days. Just wasn't into it.
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#26 Jun 29 2009 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Very well said. To me, there has always been more things you can actually do in FFXI, which is why I liked it more. I didn't even play the full 2 Week trial of WoW, I played it for 2 days. Just wasn't into it.


If you only played for two days you really don't know what you missed. I'm pretty sure the trial caps you at level 20 too, which means the only battleground you get to see is WSG. I mean if you only played FFXI for 2 days you'd probably get to level 10ish (although I've hit 20 if I went at it hardcore) do a few missions and so on. You still have not experienced much of what the game has to offer.

Also, it's perfectly fine to have sub max level content, but game makers should know just about everyone wants to get a max level character eventually. For me the game does not really start until I hit the max level.

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Why does WOW get so much run on a FFXIV forum?


You have to understand the internet and forums and stuff. Different sites and places have different tendencies. Most MMO sites outside the WoW realm really don't like WoW too much. Forums tend to attract the most opinionated of people and often ideas clash. Examples.. MMOSITE and and MMORPG are both MMO websites. However, MMOSITE tends to favor f2p games very favorably, while MMORPG (while i haven't been there for a while) tends to be biased to games Like EVE online and so on. Also, gamespot has been sited for being rather anti nintendo (which is funny because gamefaqs has often been sited for being very pro nintendo).
#27Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 2:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I beg to differ. I played WoW for two days and it was so Lame I said "***** this", and tossed it. It took me two days to realize that game was not for me. FFXI, on the other hand, after two days, I was already in love and knew it was the game for me. Are you saying I have to force myself to play the game for at least 14 days to realize if it is for me or not? No thanks.
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PvP in WoW is decently fun, but I never got to find out about the endgame because I was bored as **** after the non-stop grinding required to get to endgame. FFXI requires just as much stuff to get to endgame as well.. but at least there were a bunch of other things I could do to have fun. After a while PvP in WoW also felt like I was just grinding. In the end it was really the communities that got to me. No guild in WoW came anywhere close to being as awesome as even the worst linkshells I've had. :/

That's my take on WoW. :p

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The difference is apparently that WoW is all about end game Raiding and PvP whereas FFXI is a more complete game. They may as well just start you at max level in WoW, since the leveling is so trivial that it's more of an inconvenience keeping you from the meat of the game.

As I've said before... If you don't like raiding, don't play WoW.

It's like playing a first person shooter and complaining that the gameplay consists of gunfighting instead of deep RPG character development.

It makes absolutely no sense to complain about a type of content that the game never intend to provide as more than a minigame style diversion.


The purpose of leveling in WoW is basically to break up the gameplay every year or so by a month of leveling and questing. A month long minigame crammed between a year or so of raiding.

EDIT: In no way am I saying WoW is without flaws. But seriously, this is getting ridiculous. You are literally saying that the game is wrong because the fundamental base gameplay concept is one that you do not enjoy. That's absurd. I'm not a huge fan of sports games and first person shooters, but I don't say the games are broken for their gameplay instead of being Action RPGs.

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As I've said before... If you don't like raiding, don't play WoW.


You realize how stupid this sound right? Probably not.

"If you don't like Dynamis, don't play FFXI"

Yeah that sounds really dumb too. So why is there even a leveling structure in the game? Start at 80, choose your traits, raid.


If you think FFXI content is just a series of gear checks, you didn't do it.

Also, so what is the point of WoW? You solo to 80, then join a guild to raid to get better gear to raid again for better gear? I understand that this is a basic principle in most MMOs, but you're saying this is THE ONLY reason to play.

I'll take FFXI's story over that crap any day. And it will still feel like a greater accomplishment than anything I've done in WoW.


p.s. Why is the FFXIV board dominated by WoW fan boys rating down any FFXI fan boys. Can't we just discuss this game and not ***** about which is harder? If you're here you obviously find something lacking in your current mmo.
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#31Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm personally tired of people bringing up WoW in a Final Fantasy forum myself. Doesn't WoW have their own Forum that WoW fanboys can Troll?
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As I've said before... If you don't like raiding, don't play WoW.

You realize how stupid this sound right? Probably not.

"If you don't like Dynamis, don't play FFXI"

Yeah that sounds really dumb too. So why is there even a leveling structure in the game? Start at 80, choose your traits, raid.

That line would make perfect sense if virtually the entire company's development time was spent on Dynamis.

What you don't seem to realize is that Raiding is around 90-95% of what WoW has to offer. Everything else can be considered a minigame diversion at best. And the development time dedicated to raiding by Blizzard reflects this.

Leveling to the level cap in WoW is supposed to take roughly one month of unfocused leveling. With focused leveling, around three weeks. It's a minigame that's supposed to get people accustomed to their class.

And when an expansion comes out, we get to spend another 2-3 weeks of leveling, before going back to a year of raiding. It's a minigame diversion, meant to break up monotony in gameplay, and yet everyone seems to judge WoW based on it's leveling. That's ridiculous!

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Also, so what is the point of WoW? You solo to 80, then join a guild to raid to get better gear to raid again for better gear? I understand that this is a basic principle in most MMOs, but you're saying this is THE ONLY reason to play.

If you raid for gear in WoW, you'll be sorely disappointed, especially considering Blizzard's stance on resetting gear every year.

You play for fun. That's the reason you should play any game.

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p.s. Why is the FFXIV board dominated by WoW fan boys rating down any FFXI fan boys. Can't we just discuss this game and not ***** about which is harder? If you're here you obviously find something lacking in your current mmo.

Not a WoW fanboy. I've played many MMOs, and WoW isn't even my favorite of the MMOs I've played. That title belongs to Ragnarok Online, with FFXI being second, and WoW being third (and assorted other MMOs falling in the list after that).

My mind is just blown by the fact that people repeatedly criticize World of Warcraft for succeeding at exactly what it was trying to do. Or repeatedly say "We don't want this in our game because WoW did it" when WoW had copied that mechanic from another game which did it first.

The world doesn't revolve around WoW.
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#33Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Then stfu about WoW already?
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Then stfu about WoW already?

I'm not the one who keeps making these topics?

"ZOMG! WoW sucks, I don't want FFXIV to be like it"

Well good for you, FFXI and WoW are two radically different games with little in common beyond the usage of numbers to determine a player's strength.

"ZOMG! That idea is terrible because WoW does it too!"

Well good for you, about 5-10 other MMOs did it before WoW. Despite your commonly held belief, WoW was not the first MMO ever, and MMOs don't fit into three groups: WoW, WoW clones, and FFXI.

There are actually games that came BEFORE WoW. There are actually games that continue to be produced that have little in common with WoW. I know this might be hard for you to comprehend Skeptic.

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#35Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 6:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Then...stfu about WoW already.
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Then...stfu about WoW already.

Ugh, you need to be banned from the forums already.

Lying about your age is a bad thing. You are supposed to be at least 13 years old to register on the forums.

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#37Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 6:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Comments like this ^^ don't build a good Forum, it breaks one. Grow up, seriously. /end
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I'm personally tired of people bringing up WoW in a Final Fantasy forum myself. Doesn't WoW have their own Forum that WoW fanboys can Troll?


Impossible until WoW is dethroned from the spot of most successful MMO. Really, you can't even demand someone stop talking about something. Comparing FFXIV or FFXI to WoW is perfectly within the realm of acceptable. Honestly, what other game would you compare it to, FlyFF? Maple Story? Ragnarok? EVE? Guild Wars? Everquest? these games might be good (or bad) but they all pale in comparison to what WoW did. When The Old Republic forums pop up places I'm sure they'll be topics just like this one comparing KOTOR to WoW.

If you don't like Wow that's fine, but you can't tell everyone not to talk about it. Some of us actually liked WoW for a while. Like I said a lot of the FFXI forum community has severe hostility to WoW for whatever reasons. I mean most of the people here probably played FFXI so you're not even getting a real accurate view on what people want from forums.
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To me, WoW blows. FFXI Owns WoW. That's how I feel, a few words on a keyboard won't change it. So respect others views on certain things and stop whining.


This is easily one of the most biased things I've heard on this topic. However, it only proves my point that forums are where the most radical of people come.


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#39Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 6:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Biased because I didn't waste my Life and play WoW till End-Game to make my decision? I decided to waste my life playing FFXI for 5 years, thanks.
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I'm 25 XD.

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Lying about your age is a bad thing.

You aren't fooling anyone ya know.

If it was one thing you said, it'd be overlooked. But it's almost a constant stream of elementary student comments out of you.

EDIT: There is a reason that virtually every post you make get's sub-defaulted.

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Discuss? If they've played FFXI wouldn't that mean that we'd be getting an accurate view on what people what..from this Forum?


No, please understand that a very good portion of people who go to game specific forums view that game in a very favorable light. When I said people I ment everyone as in the whole of the MMO players in the world. Forums only fit a very niche amount of people, and specific game forums fit an even smaller one. So even if 90% of the people on this forum don't like WoW, that number is probably inaccurate. Same thing on a WoW forum if 90% of the people there did not like FFXI, that's probably not true for the whole of MMO players either.
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Biased because I didn't waste my Life and play WoW till End-Game to make my decision? I decided to waste my life playing FFXI for 5 years, thanks.


Getting to WoW end game is a fairly short process. Back during vanilla it took maybe 2-3 months. I'm not entirely sure since that was quite a long time ago. However, I often view reviewing an MMO before you experience at least a little end game like reviewing a game in beta.

This is not to say I've dropped games before I got to the end. Some games are simply not fun, or unplayable, or just don't appeal to me. However, I don't say these games suck (Unless they have severe technical flaws or something), because I can't honestly say I played it enough.
#42 Jun 29 2009 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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However, I often view reviewing an MMO before you experience at least a little end game like reviewing a game in beta.

I'd akin it closer to reviewing a game based on the tutorial level, especially in an MMO that is as heavily endgame focused as WoW :P

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This is not to say I've dropped games before I got to the end. Some games are simply not fun, or unplayable, or just don't appeal to me. However, I don't say these games suck (Unless they have severe technical flaws or something), because I can't honestly say I played it enough.

I think I have a new favorite poster on this forum <3

Edited, Jun 29th 2009 10:39pm by Karelyn
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#43Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 6:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You also have to take into consideration though what you hear from fellow gamers. I've had roughly about 5 friends jump from FFXI to WoW..then right back to FFXI. I know of 2 that jumped from FFXI to WoW..and stayed because it takes less of their time. It's player preference.
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You guys just won't be happy until Pikko and Usagi start locking any thread that has the letters W o and W in it, will you?
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You guys just won't be happy until Pikko and Usagi start locking any thread that has the letters W o and W in it, will you?

*gasp* You said the "W" word! CENSOR BYPASSING!

BAN HIM TO **** AND BACK! :P
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#47 Jun 29 2009 at 7:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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The problem is that the people who are saying "stop talking about WoW," are also the ones bringing up FFXI and are also the one saying "Too WoW," when someone suggests a basic MMORPG idea like summonable mounts.

WoW is just another game. It'll stop being special when people stop trying to make it special. If you act like the word is taboo or scream "too WoW," "If you want talent then just go play WoW" every time a topic the remotely is similar to WoW crops up you make the game special.

Edited, Jun 29th 2009 10:32pm by Allegory
#48 Jun 29 2009 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow is too easy...

Spoken like a person who has never done WoW's endgame raiding.


Comments like this ^^ don't build a good Forum, it breaks one. Grow up, seriously. /end


It's true, though; WoW's raids aren't easy. The addition of frequent movement on most fights in WoW puts it leagues ahead of FFXI in terms of difficulty. No fight in FFXI, to my knowledge, requires you to move because the boss attacked a player with a fire spell which left a flaming crater behind that will quickly kill anybody who stands in it. Many bosses in WoW have such abilities, and use them fairly frequently.

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To me, WoW blows. FFXI Owns WoW. That's how I feel, a few words on a keyboard won't change it. So respect others views on certain things and stop whining.


Doesn't this go against what you said 2 seconds ago with the whole "these kinds of comments break communities" thing? Way to be a closed-minded, hypocritical *******. Why should I respect your views when you're not even willing to entertain the notion that mine and others' views have merit?
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#49Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 7:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WoW, to me, still blows. See where I'm going with this? You can't change how certain people view certain things, and people need to get over that. Including you, lol.
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Karelyn wrote:

*gasp* You said the "W" word! CENSOR BYPASSING!

BAN HIM TO **** AND BACK! :P


Him?

Oh, for the love of soup.
#51Skeptic, Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 7:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I want Final Fantasy XIV to be more like Matrix: Online.
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