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#1 Jul 01 2009 at 10:50 PM Rating: Default
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so what's the deal with all of us xbox users not getting any love from this final fantasy MMO when they release what it will come out on they left us out of the loop. has anyone come across any info on a xbox version or will i be force onto a PS3 or shelling out money for a top end pc?
#2 Jul 01 2009 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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No official announcement yet but I am sure they are making an Xbox 360 version as it makes sense to get the most users as possible.
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#3 Jul 01 2009 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
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My guess is that it'll be PC and PS3 exclusive until they get all the kinks worked out of it and a nice momentum with the updates, (probably a year or two) and then probably port to the 360.
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#4 Jul 01 2009 at 10:59 PM Rating: Default
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now there is the problem with that. 1 to 2 years more is going to hurt all of us ff11 player who in this day and age are playing the game on pc or xbox 360 you don't find many people playing on ps2/ps3 anymore. I don't want to lose the drive to play the game 3 years from now because squire enix wants to wait. we are willing to deal with bugs if we can play. am i right?
#5 Jul 01 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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With SE response at E3 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this game landed on Xbox 360 day one or just a few months after the release.
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#6 Jul 01 2009 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
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xbox limitations go


Maybe they'll release it for xbox 720 instead..
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#7 Jul 01 2009 at 11:50 PM Rating: Default
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I'm sure it will end up on an Xbox system at some point...

that point being when SE is satisfied with the amount of cash microsoft will pay them.
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#8 Jul 02 2009 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I mean 360 and PS3 are fairly equal in terms of graphical powers (PS3 being a ***** to code for and it's cell processors being wasted on daft stuff knocking it back a bit unfortunately). I reckon it'll run just fine on 360, didn't see anything in the limited gameplay footage that was uber amazing in terms of graphics.

Anyway in terms of 360 release they've practically said they're considering it, most companies wouldn't even say that so early in development so you're practically guaranteed it's on the cards. The odds that microsoft won't jump at the chance to get their mitts on an otherwise PS3 exclusive game, let alone on with the FF brand, are highly unlikely. Also the fact that XI and XIII are both coming to 360 is a good sign too.

Failing that I'll buy a PS3, easy pick one up for £200 I reckon I could do with a bluray player anyway.
#9 Jul 02 2009 at 4:01 AM Rating: Decent
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xbox limitations go


Maybe they'll release it for xbox 720 instead..


This.
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#10 Jul 02 2009 at 4:47 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure it will end up on an Xbox system at some point...

that point being when SE is satisfied with the amount of cash microsoft will pay them.


I think it's more about SE protecting us from Microsoft. Last time around they managed to convince M$ to let XI work through a silver membership, their justification being that Xbox users shouldn't have an extra expense when the other two systems it worked on didn't. I know, because when I was getting ready to upgrade from Ps2 I scoured every website I could find for information on whether I would have to pay a fee on top of the fee to SE to play, which wouldn't have sat well with me.

I honestly believe that this time around M$ is being a little more firm in their requirements for online play, and that's why we see SE releasing language like "Sadly we just haven't come to an agreement yet with Microsoft".

I really think that you ought to head over to the Xbox forums and raise a ruckus, because I doubt very highly it's just that SE wants to leave Xbox players in the cold.
#11 Jul 02 2009 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
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sorry to say this but if they port it to xbox, i hope they do a better job this time around. ffxi on xbox was garbage when i played it, too many problems and i will be **** if you have to use a disc to start the game like with ffxi on xbox.
#12 Jul 02 2009 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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It probally will be on xbox 360, months after the real release. Sony alway uses the word "exclusive" very loosely, trying to get people to buy a ps3 (I own ps3 and xbox360). I say 6 months after the release is probally the latest, I think its a matter of getting a money deal worked out between SE and microsoft. Microsoft will not allow an FF new mmo, to be a console exclusive to sony, this is just not going to happen. It also is best for SE that it is ported on the xbox, as this will bring in more players.
#13 Jul 02 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I remember reading somewhere that SE is undergoing talks with Microsoft about bringing the game to the 360, but no agreement had yet been made. They are still trying to hammer out the agreement, most likely.
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#14 Jul 02 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV will be released on the 360 its just a matter of SE getting an offer they can't refuse.
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#15 Jul 02 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah it sounds like its an issue with Microsoft and not SE. They must be asking for either too high a cut of the subscription revenue or there is something they are requiring from SE that they won't budge on for the game (Platform specific servers/Voice through Xbox Live guarenteed etc.) or both. They even said they wanted FFXI on the original Xbox a while back but they had a fallout in negotiations. SE also said they wanted FFXIV to be multiplatform from the start (PS3/Xbox360/Vista) so the ball is in Microsofts court to give into whatever demands SE wants to distribute the game on their system. So to answer the OP... it seems Microsoft isn't giving any 'love' for the 360 :P

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 7:08pm by croythegreat
#16 Jul 02 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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I don't really care much for Xbox but with online games I always feel the more players the better.

I think it was said somewhere before that Microsoft doesn't want multiplatform people together. Hopefully this doesn't end up with 360 exclusive servers.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 7:40pm by Westyle
#17 Jul 02 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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From the info i read SE does want to have the game on a Microsoft console but they cant find an agreement on some terms with Microsoft.
i cant find the link at the moment but i'll keep try to find it and post it here.

So it seems SE is trying to give love.
I hope Microsoft gives us better service with ffxiv then it did with IX.
#18 Jul 02 2009 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe microsoft wants players to have to use Gold to play FFXIV, and SE doesn't want players to have to pay for both FFXIV and xbox live.

This is where the issue is I believe.
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#19 Jul 02 2009 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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WHY are people crying over the Xbox 360 still? I swear to god there's been like 50 threads on this. There's been like one game in existence that SE released for Xbox on the first release. They have a closer relationship with Sony and it's a ***** to get anything to Microsoft. Like how FFXI was entirely based around the PS2's system, FFXIV will be designed for the PS3, so naturally the 360 isn't a priority.

So once again, I'll tell you people: Square Enix WANTS the game to come out on the 360. Yes, they do. They've stated they're trying. The problem? Microsoft. The only problem is trying to get Microsoft to let them create a 360 port for the game.

Will there be one? Probably, a bit after the initial release.

Quit crying and get a PS3. At least it doesn't die from RROD every other week.
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#20 Jul 02 2009 at 10:33 PM Rating: Default
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Well... SE used to have that 'close relationship' with nintendo.

Then nintendo didn't deliver what they wanted.

Given how sony has been performing lately.. I wouldn't put it past SE to jump ship again if they think it is right for their company and their profits.

Bottom line: SE is a top quality game production company, and the Final Fantasy series is one of the most profitable video game series ever. They don't need to court the platform makers, the platform makers need to win SE over.

Hence why I said: FFXIV will come to xbox 360 when SE is happy with what they are being offered to bring it to 360.

I am sure they want to make money off of ANY platform. It just has to be worth their while.
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#21 Jul 02 2009 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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MS xbox live principle is you want to play with other players , you must have a gold membership.

MS does not allow this principle to be broken by FF14. So they did not allow this game to be release on 360.

When SE is developing FF14 , they already stated that FF14 will be on PC, 360 and PS3.

If 360 users want FF14, you guys must make some kind of online petition to pressure MS .
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#22 Jul 03 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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MS xbox live principle is you want to play with other players , you must have a gold membership.

MS does not allow this principle to be broken by FF14. So they did not allow this game to be release on 360.

When SE is developing FF14 , they already stated that FF14 will be on PC, 360 and PS3.

If 360 users want FF14, you guys must make some kind of online petition to pressure MS


They stated it will be on PC and PS3, not 360, and playing FFXIV would just mean paying the Xbox Live fee PLUS paying the FFXIV fee. It'd be just like FFXI. Also, petitions do jack squat.


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SE has only existed for 6 years, and it's been mainly Sony the whole way, with a few games for Nintendo. It was even Sony that first showed the FFXIV trailer to the world. As much profit as SE might have made, Microsoft has them beat, as Microsoft has had Windows, Xbox, and the Zune to profit from. If they wanted to go for the most profitable console, every SE game would be on the Wii and DS and they wouldn't even bother with PS3 or 360 games anymore, and even more-so, in Japan, the 360 is the lowest-selling console.

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#23 Jul 03 2009 at 1:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Quit crying and get a PS3. At least it doesn't die from RROD every other week.


*cough* got a jasper 360, so no RROD for me :P

Still probably have a PS3 by then anyway though, if I don't decide to play it on the PC instead. Got this -

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Pretty outdated but according to Can I Run It, it'll play Crysis and absolutely beast Bioshock, so hoping it'll cope alright with FFXIV.

Does anyone know if MMOs take up more resources graphically due to being online in a persistent world or should it be the same and graphics are only affected locally? I'd have thought the latter, and a fast internet connection was just as important.
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A lot of the posters are right here, its not about SE waiting for a good deal or getting what they want... MS wanted FF11 players to pay for Gold Membership + FF11 monthy fee and SE talked them into letting FF11 run on Silver so 360 players wouldn't have to pay two fees to play.

From what I've heard (like others have said) MS is wanting FF14 to be Gold Membership only as well and aren't backing down easily this time, so SE is having to deal with all that again. So until they reach an agreement we won't hear an announcement on a 360 version... I'm sure it will come, just when is the question.

Now I don't play on 360, though I do own one and its a nice system, but some of my friends do and I hope they can play FF14 with me. =D


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#25 Jul 03 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I mean 360 and PS3 are fairly equal in terms of graphical powers (PS3 being a ***** to code for and it's cell processors being wasted on daft stuff knocking it back a bit unfortunately). I reckon it'll run just fine on 360, didn't see anything in the limited gameplay footage that was uber amazing in terms of graphics.


The difference is a bit bigger than you think. Is it enough to affect XIV? No clue. But, when a game is made to take advantage of the PS3's power as much as possible, its Xbox 360 counterpart will be more than noticeable.

But, remember, graphics are only one consideration, and likely not even the greatest. Even if the system is fine as far as power goes, there may be many more issues.

For example, how does the XBox Live connection compare to PSN?

How does the fact that XBox Live isn't free as the PSN influence it? Maybe none, maybe a little.

How does SE feel about the red ring of death? Does this mean they need to put in some kind of delay mechanism for payments? Will the 360 customers have to pay for their services for the 2-3 weeks they don't have the game?

Will PlayOnline or similar be used (oh God I hope not)?

Is the game going to have its own Voice channels, or will you have to connect independently of it?

And then all the REALLY important business stuff, like money, promotions, advertising, market, economy, etc.

Remember, the porting is only worth it if enough people will buy it on the 360. One would assume that players that have both systems will play it on their PS3 or PC. So, the question is whether or not enough gamers that would go for it exist that would not play it on the PC, but would on the 360.

With a game like FFXIII, the decision to port it was natural, as it wasn't on the PC as well. But, that changes things a LOT for XIV.
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#26 Jul 03 2009 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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For example, how does the XBox Live connection compare to PSN?


The connections both vary on the user. There'd be no real difference connection-wise unless someone was on dialup or something.

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How does the fact that XBox Live isn't free as the PSN influence it? Maybe none, maybe a little.


It won't affect FFXIV besides the fact that there might not be a 360 port.

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How does SE feel about the red ring of death? Does this mean they need to put in some kind of delay mechanism for payments? Will the 360 customers have to pay for their services for the 2-3 weeks they don't have the game?


The payment system for everyone on FFXIV will be similar to most other MMOs today. You pay for each month you use it. If there was a week during that month they used it, then yes they'd pay the full price.

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No, it won't be.

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Most likely independently. If at all.
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#27 Jul 03 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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No one knows precisely what the hangup is with a 360 version of XIV. The popular opinions have been requiring Gold membership or MS asking for a portion of the monthly subscription fees, but there has been no official revelation on what the issue is. All we know is that SE would like to do one, and is continuing to negotiate with MS on terms they find acceptable. At this point, it's a pretty safe bet that if you want into XIV right off the bat, you better have a plan B. A 360 version, while definitely possible down the line, looks to have almost zero chance of being ready for launch.
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No one knows precisely what the hangup is with a 360 version of XIV. The popular opinions have been requiring Gold membership or MS asking for a portion of the monthly subscription fees, but there has been no official revelation on what the issue is. All we know is that SE would like to do one, and is continuing to negotiate with MS on terms they find acceptable. At this point, it's a pretty safe bet that if you want into XIV right off the bat, you better have a plan B. A 360 version, while definitely possible down the line, looks to have almost zero chance of being ready for launch.


This. Everything I have seen has actually referenced the 360 as a possible console down the road, but not at launch.

For all we know, the deal is almost in the bag but the addition of another system would be too much work for the beta testers and devs to get it out in 2010 like they want, so they are choosing to work on that after.

Kinda like how XIII will be on the 360, but they won't begin working on the port until the PS3 version is good to go.
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#29 Jul 04 2009 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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If they do decide to port it to the XBOX 360, I hope they don't try another simultaneous Platform release like XIII. Waiting us wait another year for XIV is cruel.
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