First, the discussion that this thread has lead too is well and good, but I'm a little concerned about the opening post.
Dear OP. Your post is highly confusing.
You start out pointing out several flaws that are in WoW, and, for the point you are making, exclusive to WoW.
It's one thing to be able to rationally criticize a game and still support it, but so far you're just pointing out flaws in a totally unrelated game.
Next you oooh and aaah about things that work well in WoW, as if WoW was the first game to implement such things. Most of the stuff you bring up that WoW does well at, FFXI also does well at, and was released first, AND, is a previous game in the series, making it FAR more relevant to consider as a benchmark for what we can/cannot expect in the upcoming game.
But all these “PLZ DON’T TALK ABOUT WOW” and “I DON’T LIKE WOW” posts are retarded. WOW is literally schooling other developers in how to properly create a persistent online world. It’s a test bench. WoW has taught developers how to properly structure a thriving economy. WoW made all the mistakes other developers now won’t have to. Do we link auction houses or not? Do we allow players to link items in chat or not? How should trade work? How should players earn money? How strong should crafted items be compared to raided ones? How do we distribute loot tables among lowbie zones versus high-end zones? These are all standards new games are going to go by. Why? Because WoW, after 7 years, has provided tons of valuable, visible data on a MASSIVE scale. Will these things be tuned to newer games? Sure, but the underlying fundamentals are still there, and they came from WoW.
FFXI dealt with all of these issues. Before WoW even. The only one that is N/A is linking items in chat, but it's also a console game, and there would be no reasonable way to implement that.
WoW is certainly not schooling the FFXI and FFXIV dev team in how to make their game. The dev team has 7 years of live content that they have learned from. Some stuff they got right, some stuff was horrible. To assume they are going to just copy WoW and discard their own knowledge and learning history is, well, stupid.
WoW homogenized classes. FFXI has individually specialized classes. Why then, are we to consider FFXIVs yet unreleased job system to be plagued with homogenization?
Now, before you rip me a new hole by saying “we all know Blizzard took the AH from FFXI,” I already know that. In fact, when I was beta testing WoW, I was one of the players who made the big push for the auction house system. FFXI’s AH system was, and as far as I know still IS absolute trash. The *only* good thing about it as far as I’m concerned is a price history, which is modifiable in WoW. Also, the economic player-created mods in WoW are beyond superb, and should be taken note of in every game.
Weren't you also saying how player made mods ruined other aspects of the game?
On the forefront of PvP, no game has more options than WoW. And while many of these options suck, no one can deny that they are valid attempts at creating goal-oriented PvP. And while balancing classes for both PvP and PvE is a nightmare – as discussed above – no one can deny that it needed to be tried relentlessly to be proven.
This is the most valid aspect of your post IMO. WoW has the most fleshed out PvP content of any online rpg as far as I am aware of, but, again, the topic in question (FFXIV) isn't concerned with PvP.
My overall point is this; why the @#%^ are you hating on WoW? The things it does so wrong are very important to its contribution to the gaming world. You can’t say you don’t like a game just because it’s become a major reference to its industry, especially when other developers (SQUARE ENIX) are OPENLY using it for reference. Yeah, I get it. I like Final Fantasy just as much as the next guy. I grew up on FF6-10, just like the next guy. I played FFXI, just like the next guy and I know a bunch of people who left it for WoW, just like the next guy. Stop being so bitter and arrogant about a game that’s doing well just because it’s not one you play.
Show me where SE said they were using WOW as a reference in the development of their game, and tell me what they were implying. Then tell me where else in the interview they referenced their previous game, FFXI.
Unless you've got some other quote, the E3 interview mentioned in one response that they wanted to make game content more accessible for casual players, similar to wow. They want to expand their playerbase, not by making their game similar to WoW, but making the accessability on par with wow.
I don't see as many people flat out hating on WoW as I see people hating on people who post here assuming FFXIV will be some sort of final fantasy flavored WoW.
You're seeing people hate on WoW not because they have an irrational hatred for it (most of the time anyway) but because people like you keep bringing it up on a Final Fantasy forum. Get the idea OUT of your head that FFXIV will have any similarities to WoW. Sure, it will have them, and WoW players transitioning to FFXIV will be able to draw similarities with lots of mechanics, I'm sure. But the reason there's a lot of ill words toward wow around here is because we're tired of people posting here about how such and such part of FFXIV will be like wow. So your closing statement applies to you too. Chill out and stop bringing it up in an unrelated forum. Reference wow when appropriate, but realize that there's almost always going to be a more applicable FFXI reference to build on already.
Stop being so bitter and arrogant about a game that’s doing well just because it’s not one you play.
It's statements like this that single you out as an obvious fanboy, so, stop being a hypocrite.