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#1 Jul 10 2009 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure if this has been brought up already but I'll start a topic for it, if it has, I apologize.

I used to be a heavy DAT swapper/editor in FFXI and came across this video...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKtl969JLGE

And it got me thinking, is FFXIV going to have capes? Do we really want capes in FFXIV? Personally, I'm all for capes as long as there isn't any heavy clipping issues and they don't lag up the game really bad. Perhaps they can be made hard to obtain but not too hard.

Edited, Jul 10th 2009 3:23pm by EpedemicOptikz

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#2 Jul 10 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Yay, as long as players have the option to not display the cape. I'm not worried about SE getting the clipping right, because getting the graphics just right is what SE does.

Make some of the cape-slot items mantles or scarves as well, for some variety. It'd be boring if everyone was wearing an identically shaped cape with different coloring.
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#3 Jul 10 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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I hope so, bright yellow capes.

Then, I'd like to train my character as a ninja, wear all black and my one bright yellow cape, preferably with a giant smiley face painted on it, just to make sure that people can spot me easily in caves.
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ahh mooshy, the king of ffxidats.

no, srsly he is.

I'm not sure if i really want capes to be visible, it seems awfully tacky to me. Having it appear on a few body armors would be alright, though.
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#5 Jul 10 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I want to have capes with emblems on it to symbolize.. whatever it is you want. Maybe a zodiac sign, a sign in the game or your home city.
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I HATE armor that you can equip but doesn't change your appearance. I make do with rings, earings and necklaces (those are a lot of small particles for little effect, though it would be nice to make it an option in your visual settings). This is what annoyed me in XI. You got, what, 16 slots? And how many of them changed your appearance? 6-8, at best (I may be forgetting some, but that seems right).

Capes should change your appearance. And not in the stupid way WoW capes do. I want it going around my shoulders if I'm just standing around. I want my stance to move it. It doesn't have to sway in the wind, just make it move with my body dammit (and, hopefully, move with a weapon so it doesn't pass through it).

Off topic, but another thing I want to see is tattoos that alter your abilities. And I want them to actually change with what you get. Say they all go down your right arm (and that is the only choice). And reducing my provoke CD is one, increasing GAxe skill is another, and my final is to increase the length of Berserk, than I should have 3 tattoos that coincide to those skills. Not just any 3 random designs...
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#8 Jul 10 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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HA, I was thinking the same thing. I also didn't know you could link to a specific time in the video...nifty.

Anywho, I actually like capes, for the most part. RDM would look sweet in one, that's sure. But as already mentioned we need the ability to turn the cape off...which is standard in the MMOs I've played so it's probably a non-issue.
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Capes are another example of why I think gear should be purely or almost purely cosmetic. If you give capes ANY kind of stats at all, then EVERYONE will feel forced to wear a cape.

But at the very least, I'm ok with capes that don't offer stats, and I really think that visible capes can add a lot of character to the game, even if it means we'll be seeing some super-hero wanna-be's.
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#10 Jul 10 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd hate to have to wear a cape.
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Sure Id like capes. But as mentioned just give us an option to disable their appearance.

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#12 Jul 10 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Everyone would be wearing a cape, which would look pretty retarded.

However, flowing clothing would be nice. Scarves, tattered robes and the like.
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I personally don't like the aesthetic of capes. They look silly and no respectable soldier would wear one into battle as they hinder combat.

I understand that some people do like them, and I'm not about to say my personal taste trumps theirs. I'm fine with capes being in the game, but--as other have said--please, please give us the ability to turn off their display.

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#14 Jul 10 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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I honestly do not care either way, as long as they allow the option to hide it.

*shrug* I know one of the things that I greatly enjoyed in WoW was the option to hide helms and capes. I absolutely hate hiding my face or wearing a dumb-looking cloak.

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#15 Jul 10 2009 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hope so, bright yellow capes.

Then, I'd like to train my character as a ninja, wear all black and my one bright yellow cape, preferably with a giant smiley face painted on it, just to make sure that people can spot me easily in caves.

I'd have six different capes. Each one would have the opening text of the Star Wars movies on them, and they'd look like they were rolling into the distance.

What do you expect from a guy who named his character after a Wookiee? Smiley: lol
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#16 Jul 10 2009 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I'm in favor of visible capes so long as they are restricted to players that do not need to be dexterous or agile, such as mages. A melee fighter needs to be uninhibited by a cape, so they should either be flat-out not able to wear it, or able to wear it with melee penalties like weapon delay, -acc and -eva.

I could see there being a thin light category of capes for red mages, maybe even a combat skill associated with meleeing in a cape (call it pinache) like shield skill so RDM and PLD can make use of it. A black mage or white mage can wear thick mantles and capes for magical and defense bonuses at the expense of the melee penalties.
#17 Jul 10 2009 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know, I could maybe see capes giving an accuracy or critical bonus on the basis of using them for surprise attacks (maybe).

But I'd still prefer if they just didn't offer any stats at all.
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#18 Jul 10 2009 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say visible capes would make more sense in the world of FFXI, but if XIV is going to be more 'futuristic' you'd only wear a cape if you were going to a night at the opera.
#19 Jul 10 2009 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure if this has been brought up already but I'll start a topic for it, if it has, I apologize.

I used to be a heavy DAT swapper/editor in FFXI and came across this video...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKtl969JLGE

And it got me thinking, is FFXIV going to have capes? Do we really want capes in FFXIV? Personally, I'm all for capes as long as there isn't any heavy clipping issues and they don't lag up the game really bad. Perhaps they can be made hard to obtain but not too hard.

Edited, Jul 10th 2009 3:23pm by EpedemicOptikz


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#20 Jul 11 2009 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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Rarther than just capes, I would rather FFXIV had more detail with regards to all accessories. Jewellry items and certain belts. I would love too actually be able to see those things.
#21 Jul 11 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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I'm okay with visible capes only if they're restricted to certain jobs. PLD, DRK, BRD, and maybe a handful of others would look okay with capes. The rest would look absolutely ridiculous. Kind of like this.

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Then, I'd like to train my character as a ninja, wear all black and my one bright yellow cape, preferably with a giant smiley face painted on it, just to make sure that people can spot me easily in caves.


Just allowing them to be hidden with a graphics setting isn't an adequate solution. That brings in the problem of different players seeing different costumes, which is annoying from an aesthetic perspective. And you'd know that the underlying problem isn't fixed -- other people could still see the superman cape on your Monk, even if you couldn't -- while meanwhile you wouldn't be able to see the capes on players where they actually look good. And it's artificial, which I don't like.

The visible capes debate was only so heated in FFXI because the cape was just another standard equipment slot that everyone had to use, and so making them visible would have had a major impact on the game's visuals. Design it so that the items aren't so widespread and the problem disappears.
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I hope not, or at least let people turn it off. I use to watch my brother play I think Guild Wars, and everyone running around with a cape to me just didn't look right.
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Yes, but as an uncommon item type, maybe for certain classes. If they're used as a slight "accent" with just a few people in town wearing them, hey, cool.

The idea that most or all players would have them is ridiculous and terrible, if you ask me. Both from a practical and a visual standpoint; they're kind of a highly unique visual identifier. Giving them to a lot of people just makes them meaningless. And looks silly.
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#24 Jul 11 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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maybe a visible cape should be an end game item, so people can be more blatant about their uber1337ness
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#25 Jul 11 2009 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Another possibility is to integrate a cape visual into a few rare body pieces and do away with an individual cape slot. That way it is limited in terms of job and sheer number of people. Think of it as adding a visible cape to a PLD relic body, or maybe just some rare town gear like the marriage clothes.
#26 Jul 12 2009 at 2:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say visible capes would make more sense in the world of FFXI, but if XIV is going to be more 'futuristic' you'd only wear a cape if you were going to a night at the opera.


Be careful what you wish for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgZXiHfNt0M

Joking aside, I don't want capes if I can't turn them off. I would be open to them being a guild tabard type of thing but can see how it could easily get obnoxious.
#27 Jul 12 2009 at 3:29 AM Rating: Decent
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capes... yes please!
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#28 Jul 12 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Nay.

Like someone said before, everyone walking around with capes just looks tacky. Even though it made no sense, I like the way they played it in FFXI with invisible capes. Although, I suppose I could live with the option to turn them off and be invisible to everyone.
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#29 Jul 12 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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Off topic, but another thing I want to see is tattoos that alter your abilities. And I want them to actually change with what you get. Say they all go down your right arm (and that is the only choice). And reducing my provoke CD is one, increasing GAxe skill is another, and my final is to increase the length of


I had some crazy text wrapping...I got that far and was thinking, "Don't say it! Don't say it!" Then you said

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#30 Jul 12 2009 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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Yay, but only if it's done right. Capes could become very annoying very quickly.

Assuming that all equipment will change the appearance of your character (which is something I think we can all agree would rock), or at the very least all non-trivial equipment (I wouldn't care if rings stay invisible, or at least non-differentiated), this is how I would hope FFXIV's "Back" slot functions like:

Robes and cloaks will join the ranks of "Back" slot items (which could maybe be renamed "Outer Body"?). Combined with mantles these will make up the large majority of items that can be worn in this slot. They'll be designed pretty non-obnoxiously, and will provide status bonuses, extra defense, and whatever else you'd expect from minor pieces of armor.

Capes, which will be fairly rare, will provide zero (or at least zero combat-related) status bonuses and will be obtainable as "prizes" (maybe for completion of certain storylines? Or for attending FFXIV fan festivals? Or beating AV/PW-esque bosses? Or even for being old FFXI players? :P). That way people aren't tempted to wear them all the time or all over the place.

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#31 Jul 12 2009 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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I'll go with yes on this, but only if they are customizeable. What I mean is, you should be able to alter it's style, cut, and design for your cape. What I mean is, let the player put a variety of patterns and color combonations on their capes, as well as allowing them other options besides the stereotypical "solid rectangle" style. And of course the option to hide it would be good for people who would prefer not to use one.

I love aesthetic customization, and I think this approach should be applied to clothing and equipment as well.
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I don't know about capes, but there were visible cloaks in the tech demo for FFVIX way back in 2005. Maybe thats an indication they are considering the possibility of back visible equipment. Although that cloak wearer could also just be a random NPC that is just different than everyone else in the game :P

Also I see no problems with capes in the game as long as there is an option to make them invisible... but since they didn't give us the same courtesy with things like subligars which look horrendous no matter how many times you look at them >_> I wouldn't guarentee such an 'option' outside of a PC release where people will undoubtfully .dat mod the **** out of it anyways and find a way to hide that accesory.
#33 Jul 13 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Nay, 90% chance that the capes made by SE will clash or be awkward with other pieces of armor. It would be ok though if they had a body piece with a cape design though.
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#34 Jul 13 2009 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Ditto that.

I won't be too upset if visible cloaks make it into the game (no capes, though; capes are just ***-backwards neckties), but I'll either want them to be purely cosmetic or have the option to turn them off. It'd also be nice to see a "disable all cloaks" option for those of us with slower machines.
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I think capes look pretty bad in most MMOs not named City of Heroes and would not want it in FFXIV.
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It would work if they don't go lazy with the physics imo.

A subtle gust making it lightly go with the wind wouldn't hurt that much, I'm thinking along the lines of The last remnant, the main character had a little flag thing hanging out of his back representing his alliegance. The only problem was, is that they were lazy and well, at times the cape would just get stuck in his body or fly around like crazy.

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I like capes in most games, although, they can look rather odd if they're not implemented correctly.
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Brass subligar + Cape = [IMG]http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr148/scrappy90_photo/300-movie03.jpg[/IMG] ? 0.o?
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I don't really think SE is bad at capes, but I agree they definetly should be restricted. Also add in scarves and stuff for the same slot so it doesn't end up everybody wearing a damned cape. And yeah, limit it to suitable jobs, and no giant superhero capes. Little traveling capes would look good, maybe make them for actually traveling or something. But yah. If done wrong, ick.
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#40 Jul 14 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope they have visible back armor. Like the slot in XI, but visible. Capes, mantles, scarves, wings(City of Heroes/Villains style) and whatever else.

I think the City of games did it right. You are required to go on a quest for a cape. I think if there are visible capes in XIV, I would like the option to make it viewable or not (along with my helmet).

I just think it would be cool to finally see what some of the mantels and stuff look like on a character. Some of them have pretty cool names IMO.
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#41 Jul 14 2009 at 10:09 PM Rating: Good
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Of course I'd like capes (and other back wear) to have the option of being displayed. Absolutely anything (well... almost anything) we can do to add customization to the look of our characters I'm completely for.
#42 Jul 15 2009 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
Please God. No capes. They are so freakin' stupid.

And that doesn't mean a 'hide capes' option.

Then I still have to know that some people are seeing my character with a cape.

It's like when my friend tries to make me feel better by telling me to just .DAT swap out my Walahra Turban. EVERYONE ELSE WILL STILL SEE
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Please God. No capes. They are so freakin' stupid.

And that doesn't mean a 'hide capes' option.

Then I still have to know that some people are seeing my character with a cape.

It's like when my friend tries to make me feel better by telling me to just .DAT swap out my Walahra Turban. EVERYONE ELSE WILL STILL SEE


Wrong. The option as it is in WoW is that, if you chose to hide the helmet or the cape, noone else will see it either. That's how you see plenty of people with helmet and plenty without it during combat.
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Poubelle the Meaningless wrote:
Please God. No capes. They are so freakin' stupid.

And that doesn't mean a 'hide capes' option.

Then I still have to know that some people are seeing my character with a cape.

It's like when my friend tries to make me feel better by telling me to just .DAT swap out my Walahra Turban. EVERYONE ELSE WILL STILL SEE


hmmm having a cape has it benefits like this ---> http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/terihatcher/teri_hatcher6_180_240.jpg
which leads to this-->[IMG]http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o29/Kirasiu/LoisSupermanCape.jpg[/IMG]
that leads to this---->[IMG]http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o219/arkanthill/for_blog/dwight_superman1.jpg[/IMG]
and even in time with viagra you can still be like this --->http://www.toymania.com/custom/Galleries/Lars/Lars15/supegayal.jpg


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The option as it is in WoW is that, if you chose to hide the helmet or the cape, noone else will see it either. That's how you see plenty of people with helmet and plenty without it during combat.


I want this. :3
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I'm surprised noones bought this up yet, but there's actually a few examples of capes already in game:

Cornelia

Cait Sith

Aldo

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Wrong. The option as it is in WoW is that, if you chose to hide the helmet or the cape, noone else will see it either. That's how you see plenty of people with helmet and plenty without it during combat.


Oh, wow. I wasn't thinking of it that way.

Actually, I love that idea!

I don't play WoW, but in a few other MMOs there's like a "hide equipment" feature where on your screen everyone is just wearing the basic stuff, and I thought that was sort of what was being proposed.

Actually, I would like other people to have the option of wearing/showing their capes, etc. XD

Seems like it might even be semi-cool on a Paladin or something but not on my little mage or two-handed sword user, (both of these very general classes will probably be in the game but I haven't decided yet!!)
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FFXI had capes, they were just invisible.
I wuould love visible capes in XIV though.
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Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Lightning from FFXIII. I think the way they designed her cape looks good and i could definitely see that work on FFXIV as well.

Edit: Looks like Lordfaramir beat me to it. Didn't see it because it was cleverly hidden within a link.

Going a little off-topic, what i would like to see is wearing a particular piece of gear over another having some kind of purpose other than a stat modifier.

Perhaps wearing a cape/cloak would help shelter you from the cold while traveling in arctic climates.

Perhaps you're in a town which is heavily populated by a faction that is opposed to your race/job/faction. Wearing a hooded cloak would help to conceal your identity to them at a distance, while wearing a flashy cape would make it easier for said group to spot you, which could alter the interactions you encounter while visiting that town.

Something, ANYTHING, that could help breath a sense of life into the game's virtual world and it's characters.

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Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Lightning from FFXIII. I think the way they designed her cape looks good and i could definitely see that work on FFXIV as well.


That's a good point. That's kind of what I'm thinking originally when having capes implemented. As long as they look good on the armor the armor it's on, why not?

ditx had some good examples with Aldo, Cornelia, and (maybe)Caitsith since the cape really matched with the character. So as long as they fit and not look wacky, then it's all good. And please, let's not customize the cape unless it's DAT edits. ;)
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If I have a cape can I fly?
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