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#1 Jul 16 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I really, really hope SE learns from the past and installs a much better character creation system. I'm really worried they aren't, because they've repeated mentioning that you can "make a similar avatar to the one in FFXI". Not to mention,I'm already losing hope, since I've already seen similar character models in the official trailer. =\

Please, for the love of god SE, do SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I want to at least be able to choose my skin tone.

The best case scenario would be if they actually listened and made a character creation system kind of like Phantasy Star Universe, or Aion. That was a really great system, and gave good depth.

My ideal system would be:
-Height
-Weight
-Facial features/Different faces
-Eye color
-Skin tone
-Voice
-Hair style
-Hair color

I mean... even if they just added weight and skin tone would be a drastic change. I hate how all I ever see in most MMORPGs are tall, skinny white people running around.
(On a side note, i'm not being racist. I'm Caucasian myself.)
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#2 Jul 16 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with you and I too am a little worried about the fact in the trailer it all looks so much like FFXI but in a way I am kinda happy too because for me it will be like continuing on FFXI. Its silly they keep referring to FFXIV as a completely new game when they're using the same character models and even the same equipment looks. I do hope there will be a deeper element of customisation, different hair styles would be a start, and something like eye colour would be easy, so why not?

/vote yes
#3 Jul 16 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I think there is a good chance a lot will be added, but I do doubt that weight will be added. I also doubt that skin tone will be added and believe that if it is it will be exclusive to humes and probably will still not be anything more variable than a tan/hispanic looking character and a pale caucasian. They may add a few different fur colors for mithra... but I doubt this also..

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 3:27pm by Tryujin
#4 Jul 16 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I would really like to see height and weight, but I doubt something like that would happen.

The rest of the customization I'm not too concerned about.
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#5 Jul 16 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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akelah wrote:
I agree with you and I too am a little worried about the fact in the trailer it all looks so much like FFXI but in a way I am kinda happy too because for me it will be like continuing on FFXI. Its silly they keep referring to FFXIV as a completely new game when they're using the same character models and even the same equipment looks. I do hope there will be a deeper element of customisation, different hair styles would be a start, and something like eye colour would be easy, so why not?
/vote yes


There is a good chance that they haven't gotten around to the more aesthetic parts of development. You'll notice that all of the Humes in the background during the trailer were clones of each other. As for it looking like FFXI, they stated that they wanted a sense of familiarity for those that played FFXI, though I agree that to some this may seem like a bit of a disappointment.

Now that they don't have to worry about "PS2 limitations" there is going to be more stress on SE to deliver a more aesthetically varied game.
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#6 Jul 16 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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They should buy out Bethesda's charactor creation interfaces.
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#7 Jul 16 2009 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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They should buy out Bethesda's charactor creation interfaces.

While the level of customization in Oblivion and Fallout 3 were good, I found their overall look bloated and slightly grotesque. Then again, this could be because the game forced so much focus on the face, with mediocre facial animations.
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#8 Jul 16 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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This is the reason I'm interested in champions online because of the customization but I'm sure ff14 will have a better story line so I'm torn between the two.
#9 Jul 16 2009 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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In all honesty I hope they don't have too many more options than they give now for FFXI. Maybe give us the ability to pick eye color, hair style and hair color, and face type and a sliding scale on height and 'girth'. I love Aions system, but the simplicity of the FFXI Player customization didn't make you dwell too much on 'what could have been' for your character design, and as you get into the game more, you become even more attached to your choice because there wasn't too many others you liked XD. Also even though this game has access to significantly more RAM than the PS2, they still have to work with a 528ish or less RAM visual limit, the more they limit the choices on initial player customization, the more likely we are going to see more varied designs in equipment (Wouldn't some of you love to have the ability to actually dye your gear for instance?) because there is more RAM open for that, or **** maybe even more varied mob design where we won't see another blue crab for the upteenth time >.> yeah im actually not counting on that one XD.

You simplify the initial customization, you leave more room for improvements on the rest of the aesthetics because they have to worry about memory maximum with many unique character instances. This is the reason the races customization, gear, and mob instances were so limited in this game. But I suppose it really depends on how they intend to model everything in the game. In FFXI each race and character type literally had armor molded to their model by hand and thus why it took some time for new gear types to come out. Wonder if they are going to use the scaled method some other MMORPGs are doing now.
#10 Jul 16 2009 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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Playstation Home is doing fine with many diverse characters on screen at once. Of course it's also not having to process as much action as FFXIV will, but it's working.
#11 Jul 16 2009 at 7:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Some aspects of character customization don't represent a genuine efficiency concern.

Something like, say, hair can be a bit of a nightmare. You have to have the model for each style of hair. And the hair models themselves are in a constant battle of realism vs. technical constraints, so you generally end up with some clumpy stylized business that does a reasonable approximation of hair. At that point you can either limit the hair styles to avoid long hair and hope folks don't notice the fact hair doesn't actually move, or you can allow anywhich style you please and resign yourself to making them behave with the physics engine and hope it doesn't mess with the technical limitations too much.

But something like, colors, is really very forgiving as it's all essentially just toying with the textures. If you wanted to take SE's response to allegations of racism at face value, then every different option in FFXI was actually a different asset. (So adding even one other skin tone would have required going through, copying, and altering something to the tune of 350 assets.)

Nowadays we're just marrying a texture to a palette and doing a uniform color adjustment. It would be cost ineffective to do it the old way and maintain a market competitive level of customization.



Edited, Jul 17th 2009 12:58am by Zemzelette
#12 Jul 16 2009 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the infatuation with character customization. You can spend 5 hours perfecting your character to look exactly the way you want, and as soon as you hit the "create," button neither you nor anyone else will ever notice those details again. We spend the vast majority of our time zoomed out to max, covered in stylish armor. No one is going to see your tattoo under your full plate. No one is going to see your hair under your mage hat.

Edited, Jul 16th 2009 11:55pm by Allegory
#13 Jul 16 2009 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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I really, really hope SE learns from the past and installs a much better character creation system. I'm really worried they aren't, because they've repeated mentioning that you can "make a similar avatar to the one in FFXI". Not to mention,I'm already losing hope, since I've already seen similar character models in the official trailer. =\

Please, for the love of god SE, do SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I want to at least be able to choose my skin tone.


XI character creation was probably built 10 years ago, why do you think SE is simply going to copy and paste from XI? I keep seeing posts like this but wonder why do they think like that. You're just worrying for nothing.
#14 Jul 16 2009 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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:::blink::: stylish armor?
Things must've changed.
I remember being a shambling patchwork horror whose sheer aura of gaudy constitutes a sin against all that is good and pure in this world. It's really a miracle all that multicolored armor swapping didn't give me a friggin' seizure.

I agree, we spend so much time looking at our character's backs what exactly is going on in the facial department kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But, If your really into this customization thing, you tend to want armor customization for exactly this reason.

#15 Jul 17 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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They should buy out Bethesda's charactor creation interfaces.


Best customisation I have ever seen was in Mass Effect. They had a respectable range of styles but the look of the characters always looked smooth and convincing.

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I don't understand the infatuation with character customization. You can spend 5 hours perfecting your character to look exactly the way you want, and as soon as you hit the "create," button neither you nor anyone else will ever notice those details again. We spend the vast majority of our time zoomed out to max, covered in stylish armor. No one is going to see your tattoo under your full plate. No one is going to see your hair under your mage hat.


I think its all down to really making the character your own, rather than someone elses clone, which is how it felt in FFXI far to often.

Edited, Jul 17th 2009 9:07am by akelah
#16 Jul 17 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I forgot to add...

My only problem with customization is when it gets too in-depth. For example, Oblivion. You could make some truly grotesque-looking characters with that engine. I feel like PSU and Aion do good jobs, because they let you choose a lot... but at the same time, they limit unnecessary things such as brow height, cheekbones, eye width... etc.

It's a happy medium between in-depth and simplicity.

The reason why I'm so concerned with customization is because, like I've said, I'm tired of looking like everybody else. I loved FFXI a lot, but it was so depressing walking into a town and seeing your exact clone in at least 3 other places.
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#17 Jul 17 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So... true...

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#18 Jul 17 2009 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Character customization at the character creation screen is overrated to be honest. Eventually your "unique" hairstyle and face will be covered in armor anyways. I'm really hoping there are armor dyes or appearance slots like in EQ2.
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#19 Jul 18 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think character customization is over rated. It would provide individuality and depth to the over all game. It would set each player as denizen of the world , an realistic person to this world rather the a cookie cutter clone of players and NPC's. I think it would add to the immersion of the world for you as the player to be recognised by your friends just by looking at you instead of looking above the clone to see the name.
#20 Jul 19 2009 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the infatuation with character customization. You can spend 5 hours perfecting your character to look exactly the way you want, and as soon as you hit the "create," button neither you nor anyone else will ever notice those details again. We spend the vast majority of our time zoomed out to max, covered in stylish armor. No one is going to see your tattoo under your full plate. No one is going to see your hair under your mage hat.


That's you. I notice those details on everyone I meet.
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#21 Jul 19 2009 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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I've said before that if SE does not drastically improve character creation/customization, it will be the most monumentally stupid thing they've ever done.

Seriously, they're talking about pushing the specs of PCs at the time the game releases, they've seen all the customization other games offer.

The odds of them not making customization drastically better are ridiculously slim. I'm more concerned that the available models won't be more aesthetically pleasing than they were in XI, and that they won't add a significant number of new races.
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