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#1 Jul 22 2009 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys.
I know you don't actually KNOW anything for certain at this point but does anyone have any thoughts on this?

At first I didn't want to play aion because it didn't feel as immersive and 'real' like FFXI was for me. Now, however, i'm starting to think that i might have just been too much of a fan boy.

I watched a youtube video about aion's character creation and it blew my mind! Not only are there a lot of choices, but they actually work and look nice together. When i heard of the purple skinned Asmodians I thought it would look lame but the developers pulled it off!

The character models are so pretty and fresh looking. Another thing that piqued my interest were the armor models. The clothes in that game are varied and stunningly amazing. They have cloaks and actual robes that even BILLOW! The women have clothes that actually make them look **** but they also have clothes that are practical and cover them up. I didn't see a single PC who looked like another one in that game. It was really great.

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In conclusion, do you think there's any hope that FFXIV characters will be as pretty as Aions? Also, do you think FFXIV will have majestic and varied armor such as in Aion?

Unfortunately, I don't think FFXIV will be able to reach them, let alone surpass them. I remember how the character you chose in the FFXI CG looked HORRIBLE in game. But after awhile I guess people just forgot about it. However, I do recognize that for its time FFXI looked pretty good. I'm really confused right now because I really want to play Aion. My problem is that I will only play one MMORPG and I want info on FFXIV so i can go ahead and make my choice...

Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 3:42am by Carbi
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#2 Jul 23 2009 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Most of the scenes in the trailer were said to be in game graphics, so make your judgment based on that.
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Think your confusing Artstyle versus actual graphical fidelity. Aion has an incredible concept art team that was faithfully rendered into the world, but its using a vastly inferior visual engine (fairly old by todays standards, Cryengine 1, not 2 which is what Crysis uses if I remember correctly). Despite having an incredible art style, it is marred by the limitations of said engine and is being designed around the WoW crowd (Lower spec computers can run the game and has settings for higher end) and not designed from the ground up to work on higher specs.

In terms of my actual opinion on the graphics. I have played all 3 current beta tests for Aion, I have a fairly high end PC, and the small 6-10 seconds of in game rendered footage from FFXIV absolutely destroys Aion visually if only because of its lighting system. The lighting system is absolutely abysmal on Aion with very little dynamic shadowing, where as the simple small scene with the Leviathan puts to shame a majority of single player games these days outside of stuff like Crysis or 1st party developed games on the 360 and PS3. The way the lighting reflects off the sea monsters scales when the lightning roars through the sky is just incredible. Great sense of atmosphere. The only thing I will give Aion that I don't think FFXIV will beat is the character creator, but thats about it.

From there its up to the art team to design better than Aions team. We already have a confirmed different art designer than FFXI with Ashida taking that helm. If you like FFXII/Vagrant Story/FFT/ and FFIII DS designs for armor, you will probably like this games armor and character design. (Beware you might see something more atrocious than the dreaded subligar with said art designer... prepare for the open *** pants!) Also if the tech demo released 4 years ago is any indication on the design of cities... I will like this games cities INFINITELY more than Aions, which also had fairly decent ones.

#4 Jul 23 2009 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Whats this tech demo called? I'd like to take a peak at it on youtube!

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#5 Jul 23 2009 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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I hope you don't base your decision to play FFXIV or Aion on graphical level.

If you think about it, everytime a final fantasy game is released, the graphics they have are very top level for the time that they came out. FF7, FF10, and FF13Versus all looked and look phenomenal for the time they were released and will release. My only hope with FF14 is that the character creation is a little more in depth and we see a big increase in detail and technical aspects. And as someone said above, the lighting is excellent.

But if you are only looking at graphics, I insist you also look at gameplay, story, and sound.
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#6 Jul 23 2009 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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They have been working on this game for 5 years and they are using the crystal engine and if you look at FF13, you will see one beautiful looking game that isn't dark and full of bloom. You are seeing a vibrant and colorful world and you're all over the place and it looks amazing.
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#7 Jul 23 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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It might be a knee-jerk, baseless, and irrational reaction, but I tend to hate anyone that looks at any type of role playing game and makes any decision based on graphics.
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#8 Jul 23 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe

There are alot of benefits to creating a game solely for computer use. For example, you can completely side-step the whole Real is Brown art direction style that's been plaguing this generation of console games because of certain technical limitations.

Not the Cryengine is a good example of indirect lighting. I'm pretty sure what I've witnessed in Aion is some kind of workaround they managed through teaching that old dog engine some new tricks. But still, there's something to be said for your only limits being how many people with poor computers you want to ostracize.

What I can 100% guarantee FFXIV will have in superior quality is Textures.
This is something this generation of consoles excels at, and the cryengine...did not. Though kudos to NCSoft for making the best of what they've got to work with. They elevated the practice of hiding bad textures with lighting, motion and misdirection to something like an artform.


Aforementioned tech demo:
2005 E3 Tech Demo for SE's homegrown Crystal Tools Engine




Edited, Jul 23rd 2009 2:10pm by Zemzelette
#9 Jul 23 2009 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm very optimistic about FFXIV graphics.

Hopefully we will have a few more customization options. Just having a good amount of tattoos and different hairstyles to choose from adds a lot IMO.

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#10 Jul 23 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the replies guys.
I don't judge my entire purchase on graphics, but if FFXIV is terribly behind Aion then I will.

The armor is what wins me over completely, though. Their armor is so creative and fresh. It has it's own style and still looks very badass. I love it.
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Personally, I think the game looks a bit ridiculous. I'm surprised that people are actually drawn to the armor designs, but then again I shouldn't be. The wing thing is really lame too. ( "oh look at me :D I have angel wings and emo hair, and hey! check out my ******* in this revealing armor. Play with yourselves nerds as I reveal my pixels to you :D ) ..... The whole game just looks like a joke to me. Gimmicky and nothing else.
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Personally, I think the game looks a bit ridiculous. I'm surprised that people are actually drawn to the armor designs, but then again I shouldn't be. The wing thing is really lame too. ( "oh look at me :D I have angel wings and emo hair, and hey! check out my ******* in this revealing armor. Play with yourselves nerds as I reveal my pixels to you :D ) ..... The whole game just looks like a joke to me. Gimmicky and nothing else.

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#13 Jul 23 2009 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV will be sure to have its own unique visuals and the graphics will be high quality for sure. FFXI is 7 years old so you can't really complain (well you could complain how SE refuses to update there graphics I guess).
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I don't really go by graphics, although I can appreciate a beautiful game when I see it, I go by game play. If it doesn't keep me interested then I won't keep playing it, and it doesn't matter how nice the graphics are. The one thing I can say about Aion is that I love their customization for character creation. It's very in depth and you can really make a very unique looking character to play. IF SE gives us even half of what Aion allows you to do with their character customization then I will be a very happy kitty.
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I hope they at least put more effort into environmental textures than in FFXI. The environmental textures in FFXI were abysmally bad, especially when compared to the very clean character models. Many early N64, Dreamcast, and Playstation games had better environmental textures than FFXI :/

I don't know why they put so little effort into environmental textures. But it just plain looked like an ***.

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#16 Jul 24 2009 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I honestly don't think Aion's graphics are all that great. Compared to FFXI sure, it looks impressive but by today's standards it isn't anything special.

Plus I'm not a fan of the whole shiny look it has.
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While AIONs people graphics are nice, the backgrounds are like wow+1, and not much better than current ffxi. If FFXIVs graphics are anywhere near what they claim was in game footage from the trailer than FFXIV pulls far ahead of the game.
#18 Jul 24 2009 at 11:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I want these graphics.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/destinoe/aionspiire.png

If FFXIV can't top this, it's definately slacking. Oh, and we could only hope for actual hume characters that aren't pale skinned but we know SE hates every other skin tone so...

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#19 Jul 25 2009 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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It is SE.

Love them or hate them, it is undeniable that they constantly revolutionize the world of video game graphics.

I am sure FFXIV will look pretty enough to not be second place to any existing MMO or those released at the same time.

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#20 Jul 26 2009 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Looking at SE's track record, I think they will surpass the graphics myself. SE always strives for graphic quality in their games, and for special effects.

Even though it seems FFXI has bad graphics now, think back to when it first came out. The graphics were awesome for the time. For an MMORPG, the graphics were ahead of the pack for the games that were out at the time.

I would say expect FFXIV's graphics to be on par or above FFXIII.
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I really dont base judgment on only graphics, you can have the best graphic in the world in a game, it still would'nt mean anything if the story, gameplay, interaction is crap.

Sure i would love the game to have great graphics but what i consider most valuable is story and gameplay. if the story is interesting it will keep me wanting more to find out what happen next, and if the game play is good then of curse i will have fun do what ever come to mind. I played a few games that story wise put me to sleep and board the crap out of me even when the graphics were stunning i was still turn off.

I like ease of control instead of dealing with complexity when it come to game play. Too much solely become just that, too much... I really dont care how good the graphic will be, and im sure they will be good, but again i just hope the game will be good and not solely just base on only graphics.
#22 Jul 26 2009 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I messed up the link last time.

Here is what it was supposed to be:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/destinoe/aionspiire.png

Anyways, I can only hope SE ups the graphics but judging from that ingame cutscene they showed... I doubt it.
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that screenshot of Aion doesn't impress me tbh
sure the character looks nice, but look at the feathers from the wings, they're aweful, way to pointy (looks a bit like white blades)
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Well, I haven't looked into playing Aion myself, so anyone who likes that game, I'm not trying to knock it or anything, but from the screenshots posted in this thread, and the screenshots I looked up, I will be extremely surprised if FFXIV doesn't look a lot better graphics wise.

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I am going to have to agree with that, as the Aion game really didn't look graphically amazing, but it did have a very nice art style.
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FFXI's graphics do not look bad, they have never looked bad. They are simple and rendered rather nicely, not out of proportion too much colour, they have a fair amount of polygons and with registry tweaks it can look even prettier!

14 though has the issue of being *too* good looking. If we look at GTA4 on the PC, its recommended specs are 3/4 cores, 2GB Ram (2.5 vista), 512MB 8600+. Minimum specs are a dual core and 1 to 1.5GB Ram. If FFXIV starts to push the boundaries on the PS3, which SE are apt to do, the specs for PC's start to get unmanageable. If people need a Quad Core and 3GB of RAM (or ****, 4GB and x86_64) to get decent visuals and performance, SE will have priced the game out of the range of a typical user.
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All I know is that I have a triple core Phenom II, 4GBs of RAM and a GeForce 285GTX. I would LOVE IT if FFXIVs engine has some scalability to it so that I can outdo what I have seen thus far from my PS3. Even still, if this is the same engine they are using for XIII then it will be miles ahead of any MMO to date.
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Yeah that Aion screencap doesn't impress me at all, like metioned before the feathers of the wings look absolutely terrible, the lighting on the background is terrible and the background doesn't look remotely realistic.

It's only saving graces are the intense amount of detail in the characters face and armor, which makes staring at your char for umpteen hours a day incredibly easy. And the bushes in the lower right don't look like 2D sprites that "turn" as you walk past ala~ ffxi.

Between the tech demo and teaser trailers of both FF13 and FF14 (from what I've heard using the same graphics engine) it looks far superior to any fantasy game I've ever seen.
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I got the FFXIII demo that came with Advent Children complete, I started it, CGI cutscene began
I was thinking **** nice CGI, all of a sudden I had control over Lightning...
I was like "WTF, that's ingame???"
It's gfx better then anything we've seen before, and the demo is only 70% of the quality of the final product

and as stated by SE FFXIII and FFXIV both use the Crystal tools engine

so prepare to be overwhelmed and spent the first hour ingame just standing there and staring at your characters because you will be waiting for the fmv to end, not realising you are ingame allready
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I thought the Aion graphics looked pretty good, certainly better than FFXI. I think I will likely give Aion a shot in September. Graphics alone (or even for the most part) don't enter into my decision on what to play however.

The ability to operate an MMO in a competent manner matters more to me and SE has shown with FFXI that their competency is severely lacking. This above all else will likely keep me away from FFXIV unless some drastic changes occur between now and then.
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The ability to operate an MMO in a competent manner matters more to me and SE has shown with FFXI that their competency is severely lacking.


Looking at the subscriptions of FFXI over the years, I'm not sure what you mean by the lack of competency...?

Seems like the opposite to me.

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The ability to operate an MMO in a competent manner matters more to me and SE has shown with FFXI that their competency is severely lacking.


Looking at the subscriptions of FFXI over the years, I'm not sure what you mean by the lack of competency...?

Seems like the opposite to me.

Edited, Aug 2nd 2009 1:10pm by Hyanmen

They are much less than they were years ago. How is that opposite? When SE made their big announcement awhile back about how many people were playing, they counted peoples mules and main characters, they counted RMT trial accounts and those mules. They tried to shove a lot of BS with numbers to make it look like FFXI was having an increase in players. When in fact there has been a decrease in long time players. Also most new legit players either don't play past the trial account term, or get frustrated around level 50 and move on.

It was a nice little magic trick, but most of us saw the smoke and mirrors.
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They are much less than they were years ago.


On what are you basing that statement?

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When SE made their big announcement awhile back about how many people were playing, they counted peoples mules and main characters, they counted RMT trial accounts and those mules. They tried to shove a lot of BS with numbers to make it look like FFXI was having an increase in players. When in fact there has been a decrease in long time players. Also most new legit players either don't play past the trial account term, or get frustrated around level 50 and move on.


Yes, SE took all the characters into consideration when they released that info. But so what? FFXI hit 2 million players, that it hasn't done before. It is growth, you like it or not.

What you're saying is just pessimistic opinion about things-- and what I'm saying is just optimistic opinion about things. Neither is right, and you can't prove yourself right with what info we have available.

All we have to prove our points is that statement SE made back then, and while it wouldn't be surprising that SE didn't tell the whole truth, there has still been a rise of some kind in the amount of players over the years.

The playerbase of FFXI is constantly shrinking, yes. I am aging as well as you are, and the galaxy too. Same happens to FFXI. The subscriptions being so constant over the years tells me more about the company's success than the SE complaint threads on the forums and addicted players demanding for more content.



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I have played 2 Aion beta weekends, and although it are the best MMO graphics I have seen so far, I expected more of it.

After seeing the FFXIV trailer I expect the graphics to be much better then those from Aion.

Nevertheless, I will play FFXIV even if the graphics look the same as in FFXI :)
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14 though has the issue of being *too* good looking. If we look at GTA4 on the PC, its recommended specs are 3/4 cores, 2GB Ram (2.5 vista), 512MB 8600+. Minimum specs are a dual core and 1 to 1.5GB Ram. If FFXIV starts to push the boundaries on the PS3, which SE are apt to do, the specs for PC's start to get unmanageable. If people need a Quad Core and 3GB of RAM (or ****, 4GB and x86_64) to get decent visuals and performance, SE will have priced the game out of the range of a typical user.


GTA4 is not at all a fair comparison to make. The game was horribly optimized for PC and it runs badly on even the best computers. Look at the minimum specs on something like Crysis...

CPU: Athlon 64 3000+/Intel 2.8ghz
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FFXIV shouldn't have a problem with running on old pcs. MMOs generally have to aim for a very broad spectrum of pcs to get a lot of users in, anyway.
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I played one of the Aion beta weekends and personally hated the graphics. No where near as good as I thought they were going to be. Final Fantasy should have no problem wiping the floor with it.
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14 though has the issue of being *too* good looking. If we look at GTA4 on the PC, its recommended specs are 3/4 cores, 2GB Ram (2.5 vista), 512MB 8600+. Minimum specs are a dual core and 1 to 1.5GB Ram. If FFXIV starts to push the boundaries on the PS3, which SE are apt to do, the specs for PC's start to get unmanageable. If people need a Quad Core and 3GB of RAM (or ****, 4GB and x86_64) to get decent visuals and performance, SE will have priced the game out of the range of a typical user.


GTA4 is not at all a fair comparison to make. The game was horribly optimized for PC and it runs badly on even the best computers. Look at the minimum specs on something like Crysis...

CPU: Athlon 64 3000+/Intel 2.8ghz
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RAM: 768Mb/1Gb on Windows Vista

FFXIV shouldn't have a problem with running on old pcs. MMOs generally have to aim for a very broad spectrum of pcs to get a lot of users in, anyway.


I hate when people keep bring up Crysis as a standard for something...

Yes it's a beautiful game..but that's all it is..a graphical demo. The game itself is **** lol.
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To be more on topic, it's hard to say right now whether FFXIV will surpass Aion's graphics. Aion focuses a lot on character detail while other aspects of the game such as textures and lighting are not really all that great. Legion cloaks and cloth robes only billow around when you move which is not really that impressive with today's tech. Aion's art style also looks to be a lot more flashy than what limited pictures and video we've seen of FFXIV. I refer to this as the shiny which is good for attracting potential customers in. Some of the higher level armors in Aion are a bit too shiny for my tastes but some people love that sort of thing. I don't think FFXIV's characters will be as detailed as Aion's, but to me that's a good thing since I've experienced first hand the monstrosities you can make with Aion's character creator. However, I believe that FFXIV will easily surpass Aion in other graphical areas of the game. At least on the PC version it will.
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^I agree. FFXIV will probably pulverize every other MMO in area graphics and 'maybe' gameplay.
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FFXIV will have character texture/models close to the screenshot of the galka on the boat on the official site. That is a in game model, and it's obvious SE is going for awesome textures with simple models again. I wouldn't expect very ornate models for the characters, but the monsters likely will because they don't use many animations like the normal model.

The cloth/skin/ground textures will be unbelievably higher quality than any MMO currently out. The leather and water textures off the boat scene alone show this, and it's a alpha build. Expect somewhere close to the textures in the FFXIII gameplay because it's the same engine. The models will not be as detailed as FFXIII though because of the scale of game a MMO deals with.

Anywho it will blow away the current MMOs by some much it will be sad. Look what they did with PS2 specs compared to the games on high end PCs since then... and a PS3 is a giant leap from PS2, so expect to be impressed. SE works so close with sony and has the most talented graphical artists in the history of games at this point, if it's worse than Aion then something is horribly wrong.
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If people need a Quad Core and 3GB of RAM (or ****, 4GB and x86_64) to get decent visuals and performance, SE will have priced the game out of the range of a typical user.


If SE builds this game that beautifully (and by the new screenshots I believe they have), I'm buying a new computer. Yes perhaps it's a bit nerdy, my wife thinks I'm nuts... but god I love final fantasy, and besides I saved up $80 in change in one month, I'm like 1/20th of the way there. :D

The absolute last thing I ever want to hear again is "ps2 limitations"..
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#41 Aug 17 2009 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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The absolute last thing I ever want to hear again is "ps2 limitations"


No worries, this time it will be "PS3 limitations". ;)
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PS3 limitations. I have no doubt that FFXIV's art and textures will be amazing, just like FFXI. However, pretty textures only go so far when your team is limited to a console and not even very competent at the more technical aspects of graphics in the first place.

Try some screenshots that aren't minimum settings like the one above. That's also at a consistent 60+ fps. Have fun with your 29 fps (with no one else on the screen) console port.

Current-gen consoles are years behind current-gen PCs. Don't be delusional.
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Ps3 limitations are not an issue really. Maybe a few years from now it will be. No one thinks that ps3 games look dated. Most people will think the game looks great.
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Kerberoz:Have fun with your 29 fps (with no one else on the screen) console port.


Hate to say it, but you are pretty ignorant of the facts. Unlike FFXI, XIV will be using a fully cross platform engine from the get go. There is no porting required.
#45Kerberoz, Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 2:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You really buy into marketing, don't you? It's going to be the exact same thing FFXI was, except on a 3 year old console instead of a 10 year old console. SE does not make real PC games and never has.
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I hate when people keep bring up Crysis as a standard for something...

Yes it's a beautiful game..but that's all it is..a graphical demo. The game itself is sh*t lol.


I used Crysis as an example because it's a game commonly known for it's graphics. The gameplay's quality has nothing to do with how well it looks, and how tame it's minimum specs are.
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#47 Aug 17 2009 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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when comes down to it for me, it still looks sexier than FFXI so thats all that I care about lol. 30FPS didn't bother me at all, I mean if anything it made things seem a tad bit more realistic. Meh thats how I feel about it, people are still playing FFXI with it's graphics in the last generation so I don't think that's an issue really with this gen.
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You really buy into marketing, don't you? It's going to be the exact same thing FFXI was, except on a 3 year old console instead of a 10 year old console. SE does not make real PC games and never has.


Please read this article on the crystal tools engine:
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/22/gdc08-square-enix-unveils-crystal-tools-engine/

Special attention should be focused on this:

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He noted that in the past, Square Enix has made games specifically for one platform. However, that's not what they're interested in pursuing in the future. "In the past that approach, that worked and at the time I believe that was the right approach."


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In 2004, the company wanted to a "common 3D data format" to work on. This decision occurred as hardware manufacturers started offering new details on the current generation of hardware. Square's Research and Development Division was established on September 2006, and they announced an engine, then nicknamed "White Engine."


Now, lets synthesize this information:

Square Enix used to make their games for one (1) platform. This was true for FFXI which was made for the PS2 platform, it was then ported to other platforms (pc & xbox).

Square Enix states that they're no longer interested in pursuing this business model further, as they realize technology and hardware capabilities are changing. They back this statement up by having their R&D department begin creating the "White Engine" aka Crystal Tools.

This engine is cross-platform, meaning it can be utilized on multiple platforms without the need for porting. Thus, Square Enix succeeded in leaving their previous business model behind (creating games on one platform and then porting them to others) as they are now creating games that are capable of being played on multiple platforms without the need for porting. Thus, they've made their products more flexible for the consumer market.

Edited, Aug 17th 2009 11:48am by Nathanael
#49Kerberoz, Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 11:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Again, you're believing SE hype and buzzwords. There is no such thing as a "cross platform engine" and SE of all companies doesn't have the technical know-how to make one. All they're actually saying is that their port might not suck quite as much this time.
#50 Aug 17 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Again, you're believing SE hype and buzzwords.

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Keep eating up their marketing.


This seems like a convenient excuse as it allows you to deny everything you read without considering what has been said, nor form a valid argument against any specific points made. You can just go "lolwut marketing" to everything and deny deny deny. However, this is an unhealthy way to approach new information. I suppose on the internet its called trolling, and in real life its called stubborn ignorance.

Do you have any evidence to put forth to back up your statements that everything Square Enix has said about their Crystal Tools engine is a marketing lie? Perhaps some articles you've read online?

Otherwise, I am going to have to believe Square Enix when they state that their business model of developing for one platform is out of date and they created Crystal Tools to define their new business model of developing for multiple platforms. Because you see, business models are important as thats how they earn their money. If they state they cannot earn the profits they want from their old business model and create a new business model that allows them more flexibility, I tend to believe them. After all, business want money and I hardly believe they're going to lie about leaving an outdated way of earning money for a more viable method that they have done quite a bit of R&D to create.

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To keep this thread on track. I believe FFXIV graphics will surpass Aeon. However, I am unable to speculate on whether or not FFXIV will surpass Aeon's character customization process. We can at least expect more customization than FFXI allowed.

Edited, Aug 17th 2009 1:03pm by Nathanael
#51Kerberoz, Posted: Aug 17 2009 at 1:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't have to prove anything. SE lying is a default accepted truth, not a claim which must be backed up.
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