People want fresh new innovative idea's and changes. Even people who haven't played FFXI will be turned off if they find out it's the EXACT same races in the EXACT same way as FFXI.
Yes, people do want fresh new ideas, innovations and change. Male Mithras are not fresh, new or innovative. They would be a minor cosmetic adjustment that changes game play in absolutely now way what so ever.
Why are you bringing up gameplay? This is obviously NOT about game play, it's about an avatar and your ability to customize it to your personal liking and desires. Don't try to roam off topic to get your point across.
You saying they are not fresh, new, or innovative is a complete and blatant lie in itself. I see from your sig that you have not been playing FFXI very long, I have, for 6 years in fact. I can tell you, as other long time FFXI players can tell you, that a male mithra WOULD be innovative, fresh, and new. So far, we have only seen one, ONE TOTAL in all of FFXI, and he is just a npc in Cut Scenes. And they just RECENTLY added him. Want to know something else? He's one of the most highly loved and talked about NPC's there are. It seems people really like the idea of him.
Also, how is adding a Male to what's already a all Female race (playable wise) a minor cosmetic adjustment? It would be easy for them to implement, yes, but it would be a enormous cosmetic change for the player base. One that is highly sought after, and been asked of for a long long time.
I'm sympathetic to the people who want to play male mithra, but claiming that their addition will bring innovation to the game is ridiculous.
Claiming it WON'T bring innovation to the game is the only ridiculous assumption here. Honestly, hang around the FFXI boards, the suggestion boards, and the game for a few more years. You will see how big of a demand there is for it. Adding something people have been wanting so bad after so long WOULD INDEED bring innovation in a design and customization spectrum to this game.
We are getting "fresh new innovative ideas and changes" in pretty much every other aspect of the game
Not True. So far a lot of people are turned off by a lot of the aspects feeling like FFXI 2.0. First, the exactly similar races, that only have differing names and very minor cosmetic changes. Then the fact that the three starter cities are very much like the three in FFXI. Now, I personally LOVE these three new starter cities, in fact I think everyone does.
I also don't think anyone has any complaints with the races as well either. It's not that, it's just people want to feel something new. They want to see different things that captivate them, things they have not seen before. That's another reason adding Male Mithra would be a very good decision at this point.
from jobs to combat to player roles to traveling to missions. That's the real innovation and change. That's what SE is doing to grow their audience and please their fans.
I will agree here. They are showing some great innovation, new, creative and groundbreaking idea's as far as gameplay and the physics of a MMORPG go. I'm very excited about it personally, but in all fairness you also need to make sure the cosmetics of the game are pleasing to the player base as well. The cosmetics is what will initially sell the game, not everyone is in depth enough to look into the game play aspects, and the innovation that most of us could appreciate. They want to see if it looks like what they want. This is one of the main key factors in selling a video game.
Minor cosmetic changes such as the addition of male mithra (as pleasing as some of us might find that) do nothing to change the game or differentiate it from FFXI.
Yes it does. It changes a complete stigma and lore that people have not wanted in the first place for a very long time. As I said above, those cosmetic changes, can make a huge difference in selling the game to consumers. And it psyches people out of the FFXI lore mentality, so saying it doesn't differentiate is simply not true at all.
Pandering to the fan base is a waste of time. Yes, many of us want male mithra, and surely SE is aware of this. There are also a lot of other vocal minorities that want specific things from XIV. A quick scan of this forum will reveal dozens of popular requests, some well informed, others completely asinine (and it won't surprise you at all to find that the worse the idea, the more supporters it generally has). It would be a mistake for SE to try to give us all what we think we want. The game would end up a mess. Better for them to make the game they want to make.
Ohh how wrong you are. When it comes to MMO's giving the fans what they want should always be top priority. As Kachi said, this is not a single player game, where once it's sold that's the end. It's a subscription. If you DON'T give people what they want, they will lose interest and stop playing.
As bad as FFXI is about this, even in how they still refuse to change some things about the game and continue to lose customers over it, they HAVE changed many aspects of the game and given people many things they wanted. This IS what has held FFXI together. If the player base didn't get a lot of changes that the majority came together and asked for a long time ago, I doubt FFXI would even be around anymore. I will give it to Square Enix for at least giving people some things they had asked for, and conforming to some needs.
Every MMORPG must do this, or they don't stand a chance in **** at succeeding.
I've got news for you to, you're right. A lot of suggestions are completely outrageous, and there are many of them flooding this forum. But how can you tell the good from the bad? Not all suggestions are bad and many are very needed and anticipated for. The male mithra suggestion has a HUGE majority of people on it's side, from around the world. If you think WE are bad, you should check out Japanese forums. They want it so incredibly bad it's not even funny.
When you have such a large majority of players supporting one argument, guess what? It's probably for the better to listen to them, and implement it. People are generally smarter about a MMORPG than a company is, when they put their minds together in a majority. Because they know what works for THEM. They know what they want, they evaluate, in a majority, whether something would be beneficial or not and if the majority decides on it, then as I said, it will only do the MMORPG and it's manufacturer good to listen to the consumer about these requests.
Listening to every little suggestion WOULD be a bad idea, but when the majority of the player base begs for something for years, that could be easily implemented, and are greatly turned off by the lack their of, then it is unwise to ignore their desires.
As far as the races of XIV being the exact same as the races of XI, that doesn't seem to be the case any more. There are certain similarities, but the more we learn, the more different they appear to be both physically and socially.
Ohh please, they are almost exactly the same. I have no problem with it, but many want something fresh and new added. The only races with minor cosmetic changes are the Roegadyn, Miqo'Te, and Lalafell. The Hyur and Elezen are almost exactly like humes and elvaan's, and all the above are still VERY similar to their FFXI counterparts.
Honestly, adding in male mithra and female galka would (in my opinion) make these races seem much more generic and less interesting).
How so? I think it's generic and less interesting if they work on the exact same rules that they did in FFXI. I think making NEW rules for them would theoretically be more interesting and less generic, given the definition for those words in the first place...
And if the idea is that a male Miqo'te would make the Miqo'te as a race wholly unique and different then anything we've seen before... really? Aren't there already a dozen other games where you can play male and female cat people?
I haven't seen them, but maybe there is? Is that what the consumer should be told every time they ask for something? Go to "X" game? Guess what, after awhile, they usually will. I remember years ago people constantly saying on forums "Go to WoW" then years later, thousands and thousands of people did. They went to WoW, and Square Enix lost them as customers, and we lost them as friends, and linkshell mates. I don't want to see this kind of bull crap happen anymore because people's needs and desires are not met.
One of the only things that made the mithra unique and interesting was their single gender race.
If that is the only thing that makes a race interesting to you, is the fact that they are single gender, or gender exclusive, and not all the other points of the race... That's pretty sad, and shallow.
I guess that's a long post just to say that the "People want fresh new innovative idea's and changes" arguement is really weak.
I think your arguments are pretty weak.
If you want to play a male mithra or miqo'te, that's fine. Don't try to justify it with weak arguments. that just hurts your case.
All the arguments here are completely legitimate, which is why the majority is on the "pro-male-mithra" side. I think the only one who has hurt their case is you.