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#152 Aug 14 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Default
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Last time I checked, I'm pretty sure that having a race with both males and females is fairly common these days...

A game doesn't need to explain why there's both a male and female of a race, so how could this be put together with "loosy" strings?

Last time I checked a race without proper back-story made only for forum fanboys sake is considered ****** idea put together with loosy strings.

The idea behind the world should drive the design and implementation, not some stupid wishes.

You want male miqo'te, I want dragons and faeries, someone else will want goblins and mutants - when such ideas and wishes will drive design - it create ****** game as it usually much harder match world to random set of ****** ideas than choose ideas that match world.

#153 Aug 14 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll take a game with more variety and options than restrictive, recycled and tired backstory. It's not even a new race.

'Loosy' isn't even a word.
#154 Aug 14 2009 at 7:38 AM Rating: Default
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I'll take a game with more variety and options than restrictive, recycled and tired backstory. It's not even a new race.

'Loosy' isn't even a word.


do you know the "recycled" and "tired backstory" of the migotes and roegadyns?

if you do please enlighten us.

Also, in spite of all your rate downs cause my opinion differs from yours not because my posts are unintelligent, SE said that the races would be the same from FFXI. What that means? you ask.

well, ill tell you; Same races means same races, they showed the pictures and guess what: no male migotes and female roegadyn. Why? cause that would make them different races than those from FFXI.

If they add them cool, why the **** not. I would play a female Roegadyn, like I said before. But, I wouldn't get my hopes up and then when FFXIV comes out be all ****** at SE cause they didn't add what they didn't say they would add.

on a side note, gamescom is next week. Hopefully they will announce a beta and who the enemies are. The evil empire that just invaded a couple of city-states and then left. I'm really intrigued on who they might be.
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#155 Aug 14 2009 at 8:05 AM Rating: Default
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I'll take a game with more variety and options than restrictive, recycled and tired backstory. It's not even a new race.
'Loosy' isn't even a word.

It's still better than no story at all.

There was explicit explanation why race is re-used - to please current fanbase of FFXI with familiar faces. For those who are "tired" there will be new races.
#156 Aug 14 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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SE did say that sexes do play an important role as to which we'll find out later. I'm imagining that later on we'll all be in for a surprise. It's way to early to be bickering about this and that not being in the game. Give SE time to spill the beans, one by one, here and there. I want new over recycled.
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#157 Aug 14 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Default
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SE did say that sexes do play an important role as to which we'll find out later. I'm imagining that later on we'll all be in for a surprise.


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At this time, I’d also like to dispel a rumor I’ve been seeing floating around the forums. Nothing in the interview or article says that character stats will be affected by the gender of the character.


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I want new over recycled.


Humes Elvaan Taru-Tarus remained the same. Does this mean recycled to you? If so, then why would the mythra players get something new while the rest get the same.

I really don't see any reason to assume they will add them. Also see many reasons why they wouldn't add them. Sorry if saying this will make you angry.
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#158 Aug 14 2009 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
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nevermind

Edited, Aug 14th 2009 2:43pm by ashikenshin
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#159 Aug 14 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Bottom line.. It's not a far out request in fact I think it's reasonable since it is a whole new game and SE customers have been stating the same thing for years now. Someone in an earlier post said they should not implement them because SE is not doing anything with the other races well.. If you want a change the only way to be heard is to be vocal about it. **** maybe even someone else will have the same opinion imagine that? I personally think SE should make Miqo'te males, Roegadyn females, and a whole new race. Why do you ask? because it is not FFXI.
#160 Aug 14 2009 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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This is NOT Vana'diel and the Miqo'te are NOT Mithra's.

There is no reason why they can't put Male Miqo'te in FFXIV. They are not using the same backstory for the equivalent races so why don't they give us something new? Male Miqo'te would be a nice change.

There are enough people who want a Male Miqo'te so SE should cater to this idea.
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#161ashikenshin, Posted: Aug 14 2009 at 12:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They are changing the battle system, job variety, crafting, HELM, monsters, areas, platform, engine, back stories, enemies (the villains), travel, questing system, storyline, etc
#162 Aug 14 2009 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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ashikenshin wrote:
Ninjaro wrote:
This is NOT Vana'diel and the Miqo'te are NOT Mithra's.

There is no reason why they can't put Male Miqo'te in FFXIV.
There are enough people who want a Male Miqo'te so SE should cater to this idea.


This is all fine and dandy. But, since FFXIV has been in development for five years and its releasing next year, I don't think that in less than a year (for a beta) they could change the backstories of both races and add all the assets for them to make it into the launch.

You assume that they don't already have it planned.

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Male Miqo'te would be a nice change.


They are changing the battle system, job variety, crafting, HELM, monsters, areas, platform, engine, back stories, enemies (the villains), travel, questing system, storyline, etc

I think there is a lot of things changing already.

Sounds almost as if it is an entirely different game...oh. The argument "they are changing lots of things, so this change isn't good" isn't valid.
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#163 Aug 14 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Default
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You assume that they don't already have it planned.

Sounds almost as if it is an entirely different game...oh. The argument "they are changing lots of things, so this change isn't good" isn't valid.


Yes I assume they haven't planned it already because there is no info on them. When there is info on it then I will gladly shut my trap. He said that adding them because people want it would mean that since they haven't shown them. And the outrage that there is on the forums would prompt SE to put them in the game Which IMO wouldn't be likely.

I didn't say this change isn't good. I have never said such a thing. He said a little change is nice and I listed a lot of things changing.

SE said that they wanted FFXI players to feel at home with their chars so the races will remain the same. I don't know you but "the same" to me means the same, not will cahnge adding stuff or removing stuff or whatnot.

I'm sorry if my opinion enrages you but I'm basing it on what I've seen. When they add male mithra and female galka I will probably jump on one foot since a female galka would be very very very awesome

Edited, Aug 14th 2009 5:08pm by ashikenshin
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#164 Aug 14 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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ashikenshin wrote:
The Bardalicious of Doom wrote:

You assume that they don't already have it planned.

Sounds almost as if it is an entirely different game...oh. The argument "they are changing lots of things, so this change isn't good" isn't valid.


Yes I assume they haven't planned it already because there is no info on them. When there is info on it then I will gladly shut my trap. He said that adding them because people want it would mean that since they haven't shown them. And the outrage that there is on the forums would prompt SE to put them in the game Which IMO wouldn't be likely.

I didn't say this change isn't good. I have never said such a thing. He said a little change is nice and I listed a lot of things changing.

SE said that they wanted FFXI players to feel at home with their chars so the races will remain the same. I don't know you but "the same" to me means the same, not will cahnge adding stuff or removing stuff or whatnot.

I'm sorry if my opinion enrages you but I'm basing it on what I've seen. When they add male mithra and female galka I will probably jump on one foot since a female galka would be very very very awesome

Edited, Aug 14th 2009 5:08pm by ashikenshin

You don't know SE very well =/
If they indeed have taken the player base's advice and added male miqo'te to the mix, it's certainly within their nature to sit on it until the last minute.
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#165 Aug 14 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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The Bardalicious of Doom wrote:

You don't know SE very well =/
If they indeed have taken the player base's advice and added male miqo'te to the mix, it's certainly within their nature to sit on it until the last minute.


Ok, so that's why my advice is to not get your hopes up on it. Cause there is a 50% or more chance that they didn't add them. I don't think that's a bad advice to give yet all my posts are default and my scholar was taken away in this very thread :(

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#166 Aug 14 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is all fine and dandy. But, since FFXIV has been in development for five years and its releasing next year, I don't think that in less than a year (for a beta) they could change the backstories of both races and add all the assets for them to make it into the launch.


Changing the backstories? They're not changing anything. Did you miss the part where FFXI and FFXIV are two different games? SE has stated over and over again that they used the same looking races to give a familiar feel to current FFXI gamers. They're not the same races so they would not be changing anything but building new stories.

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They are changing the battle system, job variety, crafting, HELM, monsters, areas, platform, engine, back stories, enemies (the villains), travel, questing system, storyline, etc

I think there is a lot of things changing already.


Again, they're not "changing" anything. This is a completely new game. Not FFXI-2. So this argument doesn't make any sense.
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#167 Aug 14 2009 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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Changing the backstories? They're not changing anything. Did you miss the part where FFXI and FFXIV are two different games? SE has stated over and over again that they used the same looking races to give a familiar feel to current FFXI gamers. They're not the same races so they would not be changing anything but building new stories


This! Let it sink in...ahhhhhh two different games.....ohhhhhhhhh
#168 Aug 15 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Default
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ashikenshin wrote:
Displace wrote:
SE did say that sexes do play an important role as to which we'll find out later. I'm imagining that later on we'll all be in for a surprise.


from Eorzeapedia:
Eorzeapedia wrote:
At this time, I’d also like to dispel a rumor I’ve been seeing floating around the forums. Nothing in the interview or article says that character stats will be affected by the gender of the character.


Displace wrote:
I want new over recycled.


Humes Elvaan Taru-Tarus remained the same. Does this mean recycled to you? If so, then why would the mythra players get something new while the rest get the same.

I really don't see any reason to assume they will add them. Also see many reasons why they wouldn't add them. Sorry if saying this will make you angry.


It doesn't make me angry. It makes me laugh my *** off. That was a shot in the dark. I said nothing to do with stats. Of course SE will release recycled races as the first info. It's a marketing tactic to get consumers who trust SE to try something different. Yet are comfortable to try something new simply because they are familiar to (ie: emotional) towards an object. It's marketing 101. You act like everything has been said and done and the game is coming out tomorrow.

The only thing FFXI has in common with FXIV besides the name title is the aesthetic value of said released races. We're not going to get the new until almost it's out/beta. Speculation is so far is the largest marketing tactic of SE. And they do it well.
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#169 Aug 15 2009 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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If adding male miqo'te doesn't fit into SE vision for this game then they won't add them. Storytelling is an art and a good artist doesn't let other people compromise their vision. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have male miqo'te. Maybe they aren't going to be in the game and maybe they are and SE chose to hold back that info. I can see them making changes that affect gameplay to make it more enjoyable but I don't think any amount of whining anybody does is going to make them change the art direction of the game.

Now can we please stop beating this horse? It's been dead for a very long time.
#170 Aug 15 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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The beating will stop when morale improves. SE give the people ,your customers what the been asking for at least seven years.
#171 Aug 16 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe people have been arguing about this for four whole pages...

Especially when we have such limited info on the game at this point. Everything is so vague and yet people are making assumptions as if definitive facts have been given. Both sides need to get over it. In FFXI the back stories for Galka and Mithra provided clear reasons why only one *** was play able for those races. In FFXIV there is nothing in the back stories that have been revealed so far that provides any reasons for single *** races.

Sooooo.... Maybe SE will be revealing the opposite *** for both of those races. (i.e. they have kept it secret thus far

Oooorrr..... Maybe they just haven't revealed all the details for the back stories and it will soon become clear why these races have only one gender.

Either way why are there four pages of arguing about this on this thread alone? It's stupid and pointless. Chill out and wait for SE to tell you what's going to happen. Stop arguing like children about something that you have no facts on.
#172 Aug 16 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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The argument was never really about whether or not they were adding them, but whether or not they should. We all accept that we don't know. The disagreement is not that simple or pointless.
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#173 Aug 16 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think SE should do anything, it's their game after all. But it would be a dumb move not to add them imo.
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#174 Aug 16 2009 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, it's their game, but we're the ones who are going to play it.

So I think it's fair to say that if enough people want something, then they should add it.
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#175 Aug 16 2009 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Well...

We're going to play it if we like it, right? And if there are enough features that we don't like, we wouldn't play it.. simple.

So if we play it, we're fine with SE's creation. And if we play it, even if we want something badly, SE don't have to listen- because we're still fine with the game in general- why would we be playing otherwise?

But if we vote with our money and don't buy the game because there's no male miqo'te and subscriptions drop low enough, then SE should start considering adding that feature in.



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#176 Aug 16 2009 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I know, but don't you think that's kind of a bare minimum mentality? I mean, I hope SE wouldn't exclude something their players want just because they can get away with it. I guess I never like to attribute to malice or apathy what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence.
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#177 Aug 16 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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But if we vote with our money and don't buy the game because there's no male miqo'te and subscriptions drop low enough, then SE should start considering adding that feature in.


Or they can just avoid the whole situation and add it from the start. The real question is why NOT add such a popular request as soon as they can if they actually care about their players in the slightest?
#178 Aug 16 2009 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Good devs would share similar ideas with the playerbase, I guess. Or at least offer some kind of alternative option that goes with what the players really want.

Playing a game where the devs don't take into account the playerbases enjoyment at all would suck either way, even if they added the content players wished for because they demanded it- other features would still most likely be lacking due to incompetence of the devs, and players would never run out of things to ask for.

I'll be content with what the devs of FFXIV have in mind- if they're good, they know we want male Miqo'te and will somehow add it to their game. If they're bad, they're bad (unfortunately for us, but asking for male miqo'te won't fix this fact).
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#179 Aug 16 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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You know what would have been genuinely unique? Actually making 5 new races that weren't homogenized clones of the already perennially rehashed gnome/elf/human trope seen in RPGs since the dawn of time.


Hey that's not fair... Taru/Lalafell are closer to Halflings than Gnomes :p

Throw me in the "Very disappointed that you couldn't be bothered to create new races" crowd.

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There was explicit explanation why race is re-used - to please current fanbase of FFXI with familiar faces


Yeah, I just think it's laziness. Oh and very disappointing. Also, lowers my expectations and makes me wonder what other corners they cut. Saying all this as a 6 yr FFXI veteran.

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#180 Aug 16 2009 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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don't buy the game and they'll probaly put it in an expansion...if anything its a last ditch effort!
#181 Aug 17 2009 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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To be honest I don't mind that they are using the same races (though I would much rather have FFTA races...especially Banga) plus it probably saved a couple months on character development which means either more time spent on another aspect of the game or we get the game a couple months earlier

...or a ping pong tournament in the basement of SE headquarters.
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I've started keeping a blog of my thoughts on the new game, Eorzealot, and for my second article I've just posted a sort of compilation of the various perspectives on this issue. It's rather long and detailed, and in the end I throw in my two cents. Feel free to comment and let me know what you think!
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